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  • #1,461
  • Edited 2:29pm Jan 9, 2026 2:09pm | Edited 2:29pm
Permanent Allocation (Gone on Jan 15th Thursday) vs Long-Term Boosters, which is better?

Given that there probably won't be any information on Long-Term Boosters until after the Jan 15th deadline, it's quite hard to say.

I guess if you haven't got one, you could buy the cheap 20% Target Permanent Allocation, but would that be of any benefit if you're in it for the long term as compared to an unknown Long-Term Booster?

Would all Long-Term Boosters be instant? because if they were, then it would probably be cheaper to get a % Target Permanent Allocation while you still can.

Could you get a Long-Term Booster if you already have a Permanent Allocation? Probably not because that would be unfair to everyone else. And what would be the biggest Long-Term Booster?

Anybody have any thoughts on the above?
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  • #1,462
  • Jan 9, 2026 2:41pm Jan 9, 2026 2:41pm
Quoting codemaster75
Permanent Allocation (Gone on Jan 15th Thursday) vs Long-Term Boosters, which is better? Given that there probably won't be any information on Long-Term Boosters until after the Jan 15th deadline, it's quite hard to say. I guess if you haven't got one, you could buy the cheap 20% Target Permanent Allocation, but would that be of any benefit if you're in it for the long term as compared to an unknown Long-Term Booster? Would all Long-Term Boosters be instant? because if they were, then it would probably be cheaper to get a % Target Permanent Allocation...
Are they discontinuing the permanent allocations?
I have 3 Darwins and I just use them for how they were original designed....do well enough to secure the seed allocations to make enough to cover the sub fee + a few hundred while building the track record.
My 3 Darwins are up between 15-18% so should all be Gold shortly.
If this works as it should, I see no need for permanent allocations or boosters.....
much greater ROI if you use that money at prop firms.
  • #1,463
  • Jan 9, 2026 2:46pm Jan 9, 2026 2:46pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Are they discontinuing the permanent allocations?
Yes in the Discord announcements.

"We are making some changes to simplify the Darwinex Zero product suite. Effective January 15th (Thursday), Permanent Allocations will no longer be available for purchase. The Context: Our goal is to unify our product offering and make the ecosystem easier to navigate. The "indefinite" nature of Permanent Allocations is complex to manage alongside our standard products and to keep things simple and scalable, we are retiring this specific model. What you need to know:

  1. Last Chance: You have until January 15th to secure a Permanent Allocation.
  2. Existing Holders: If you already have one (or buy one before the deadline), you keep it forever. Your conditions are grandfathered in.
  3. The Alternative: We will be introducing Long-Term Boosters shortly—a simplified alternative designed to offer extended duration.

More details to follow next Thursday!"

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  • #1,464
  • Jan 9, 2026 3:58pm Jan 9, 2026 3:58pm
Quoting codemaster75
Permanent Allocation (Gone on Jan 15th Thursday) vs Long-Term Boosters, which is better?
Anybody have any thoughts on the above?
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not sure.... they are staying kinda quiet about details.... without some sort of information we are kinda lost...... wish we had more time, like another month......

i cancelled all my non paying darwins today when i saw it, that saves me a lot in fees..... started maxing out boosters on everything else i could......

several on mine already have investors and none are close to gold....... 1 is less than a month old..... it has a single booster but not long enough to get a payout......

no matter what they do, we will likely come out on the better end of the deal....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,465
  • Jan 9, 2026 5:03pm Jan 9, 2026 5:03pm
Quoting codemaster75
Permanent Allocation (Gone on Jan 15th Thursday) vs Long-Term Boosters, which is better? Given that there probably won't be any information on Long-Term Boosters until after the Jan 15th deadline, it's quite hard to say. I guess if you haven't got one, you could buy the cheap 20% Target Permanent Allocation, but would that be of any benefit if you're in it for the long term as compared to an unknown Long-Term Booster? Would all Long-Term Boosters be instant? because if they were, then it would probably be cheaper to get a % Target Permanent Allocation...
Not sure why people like permanent allocations boosters are far better as HWM is set at the time of purchase so no pressure of keeping up.
  • #1,466
  • Jan 9, 2026 5:36pm Jan 9, 2026 5:36pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- not sure.... they are staying kinda quiet about details.... without some sort of information we are kinda lost...... wish we had more time, like another month...... i cancelled all my non paying darwins today when i saw it, that saves me a lot in fees..... started maxing out boosters on everything else i could...... several on mine already have investors and none are close to gold....... 1 is less than a month old..... it has a single booster but not long enough to get a payout...... no matter what they do, we will likely come out...
Investors with out being gold?
Please enlighten......
  • #1,467
  • Jan 9, 2026 10:57pm Jan 9, 2026 10:57pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Investors with out being gold? Please enlighten......
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there are quite a few things that seem to go directly against the darwinex zero 360 docs...... most those need to be kept quiet for obvious reasons.....

check on the left side underneath allocations...... i'm not sure, but i think if you have investors you will see that tab...... most of my accounts do not have the tab, only the ones with the little odd ball investor money.....

also check our assets under management..... it should be a even number equaling to your boosters and allocations...... if it's not a even number, most likely you'll see the investor tab.....

just to be clear, everything i have noticed that is not as the docs claim is to our financial benefit..... so i'm not keeping anything that harms us a secret.....

some things are best kept quiet.....h
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  • #1,468
  • Jan 9, 2026 11:23pm Jan 9, 2026 11:23pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} Not sure why people like permanent allocations boosters are far better as HWM is set at the time of purchase so no pressure of keeping up.
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hey sampat..... i have several million in boosters and permanent allocations and still can not decide which is best......

have thought about it to the point of aggravating myself thinking about it......

i see the permanent as a straight to funded prop firm type deal for life......but it is inflexible as far as the hwm like you mentioned....

the boosters can be somewhat more flexible on hwm at times....

i don't have a clue which is better......

for sure, it's possible to make thousands a month in performance fees and never ever get your signal account above it's beginning hwm.....

of course that is abusing darwins system.....

the true darwin approach, like pip does might be best.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,469
  • Jan 10, 2026 12:26am Jan 10, 2026 12:26am
Doesn't the permanent allocation compound profit with time? So if you bought an instant permanent 100k allocation at 100, then at 200 you would be managing 200k and so on right?

So in the long term, the permanent allocation would be better than any booster right?
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  • #1,470
  • Jan 10, 2026 9:08am Jan 10, 2026 9:08am
Quoting codemaster75
Doesn't the permanent allocation compound profit with time? So if you bought an instant permanent 100k allocation at 100, then at 200 you would be managing 200k and so on right? So in the long term, the permanent allocation would be better than any booster right?
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if it was compounding, yes that might be...... darwin resets the hwm on each individual allocation when a payment of performance fees is made..... that payment is automatic, we have no say in it....

so if your original purchase was at 100, if you received a payment your permanent allocations hwm would be reset to darwin quote at that time...... it's like they cancelled it and gave you another for free at your current quote......


this is gee whiz type info below.....

as far as i know, you can only have 1 permanent allocation at a time per account......

i'm not sure if you cancel an existing paid for permanent 100k and then immediately repurchase another..... sounds odd but from a strategic point of view it could be a profitable move.....

this is why the boosters seem the best choice......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,471
  • Jan 10, 2026 11:50am Jan 10, 2026 11:50am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //--- if it was compounding, yes that might be...... darwin resets the hwm on each individual allocation when a payment of performance fees is made..... that payment is automatic, we have no say in it.... so if your original purchase was at 100, if you received a payment your permanent allocations hwm would be reset to darwin quote at that time...... it's like they cancelled it and gave you another for free at your current quote......
Well that's disappointing to here that Permanent is not compounding. It makes sense though because when you look at other people's Darwins, the 100k permanent allocation seems to stay the same over time. Maybe they could make a Long-Term booster that compounds over time!!!
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  • #1,472
  • Jan 11, 2026 12:47am Jan 11, 2026 12:47am
I think they should replace the 100k Permanent Allocation with a free subscription service after say 3 years and have like targets of say 20%,50% and 80%.

If you think about it, if you've got say 5 or more correlated DZ accounts and they are all above 75 rating for that month, then you only pay for the one subscription for that month, so why not give traders more incentive to keep trading long term!!!
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  • #1,473
  • Jan 12, 2026 9:07am Jan 12, 2026 9:07am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- not sure.... they are staying kinda quiet about details.... without some sort of information we are kinda lost...... wish we had more time, like another month...... i cancelled all my non paying darwins today when i saw it, that saves me a lot in fees...
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dangit......cancelled all those perfectly good darwins for nothing......

what's done is done......h
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  • #1,474
  • Jan 12, 2026 1:20pm Jan 12, 2026 1:20pm
Quoting hayseed
i'm not sure, but i think if you have investors you will see that tab...... most of my accounts do not have the tab, only the ones with the little odd ball investor money.....
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just noticed the investor capital went up...... maybe 8k each in accounts with investor tab..... will monitor it from now on, for info only......

some accounts still have none......

another thing...... backing off my plan for everyday a payday..... that involves far too many 15$ wire charges......

when you think of the work required to make that 15$, my plan was foolish.......h
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  • #1,475
  • Jan 18, 2026 7:16pm Jan 18, 2026 7:16pm
Hmmm...if you keep beating the Darwinex index, you will eventually end up being part of that index.
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  • #1,476
  • Jan 19, 2026 8:42am Jan 19, 2026 8:42am
Quoting OutThere
Hmmm...if you keep beating the Darwinex index, you will eventually end up being part of that index.
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never thought about it but bet your right......

i was comparing your chart against some of my darwins, noticed several with the orange 'invest in ----" was active...... had not noticed that before.......

if the button is visible, you likely have investors.......

those of mine that do have invest button active are beating that index...... the keep beating the index will be hard......

maybe impossible.....h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,477
  • Jan 21, 2026 7:10pm Jan 21, 2026 7:10pm
Commissions on darwinex is crazy. 24$ plus 0.8 to 1.1$ spread.
  • #1,478
  • Jan 21, 2026 7:26pm Jan 21, 2026 7:26pm
Quoting sampat
Commissions on darwinex is crazy. 24$ plus 0.8 to 1.1$ spread.
What size and what instrument?
In the case of both Forex and commodities, the gross commission would be around 0.005% of the trade's nominal value in the base currency.
For instance, should you want to buy 1 lot on the EURUSD, which equals 100.000 € of nominal value, the total round-trip cost would be 5€ (commissions are displayed per order, a trade would be composed of 2 orders: entry order and close order).
Just puleed up my forex/cfd account with them, can verify the above is acurate.
Futures are $4 per side, $8 total per MINI on the indices and $3 per side on Gold. Once again, verified on my futures account with them.
  • #1,479
  • Jan 21, 2026 7:38pm Jan 21, 2026 7:38pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} What size and what instrument? In the case of both Forex and commodities, the gross commission would be around 0.005% of the trade's nominal value in the base currency. For instance, should you want to buy 1 lot on the EURUSD, which equals 100.000 € of nominal value, the total round-trip cost would be 5€ (commissions are displayed per order, a trade would be composed of 2 orders: entry order and close order). Just puleed up my forex/cfd...
futures may be less i was talking about cfds
  • #1,480
  • Jan 21, 2026 7:44pm Jan 21, 2026 7:44pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} futures may be less i was talking about cfds
Yes, CFDs are $5 round trip per standard.....I have 2 CFD and 1 futures account with them.
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