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  • #561
  • Oct 27, 2025 2:01pm Oct 27, 2025 2:01pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} It can literally be attached anywhere Shabs... The opens are common.. whether it's the US session or the entire trading day including all 3 sessions.. As well what they call "composite vol pro" which just means more than a day or a session... Many will use a weekly and monthly VP to get major levels from. My gotos are simply 6pm ET- to whatever NY market I'm trading either 820 9 or 930.. Then another VP from.that open to the close 4 or 5 pm NY... The other goto is a weekly...I find that coincides well with weekly VWAPs... And lastly whenever...
It's just the discretionary nature of it that puzzles me, the shorter sessions seem more logical for intra-day trading, whereas maybe longer term trading is more suited with weekly / monthly VP's.
Saying that, my eyes have been accustomed to seeing congestion points, be they large obvious ones or even a 2 candle one. So adding any more indicators to my charts would only be more things to look at, which I don't really need.

Generally, I see markets returning from a point of Imbalance to Balance then the next move will go from a Rejection of Balance or continuation to the next Balance, as your second diagram neatly points out. Simple market mechanics that repeat day in day out.
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  • #562
  • Oct 27, 2025 2:14pm Oct 27, 2025 2:14pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} It's just the discretionary nature of it that puzzles me, the shorter sessions seem more logical for intra-day trading, whereas maybe longer term trading is more suited with weekly / monthly VP's. Saying that, my eyes have been accustomed to seeing congestion points, be they large obvious ones or even a 2 candle one. So adding any more indicators to my charts would only be more things to look at, which I don't really need. Generally, I see markets returning from a point of Imbalance to Balance then the next move will go from a Rejection...
Yep I hear ya... Like today for example on the SPX ES... Price opened up in Asia with a gap... And by NY open price was in range...so at that point there is no point in looking at anything but the Asia UK range..which I did ..to get my VP VAH VAL POC from...

Whereas Gold...has "Relative Range" back to Tues or weds ?

Going into NY I see that Wednesday NY IB is in the same "relative range" as todays NY open... So I will draw a composite VP from that NY open as well anchor a VWAP..

This can be done before the market opens...and I can see where is price in relation to these levels...and mapnoit anything Pertinent.... Most of the time these tools will be toggled off...

More of a Map you might see... Like driving...I know the map...but don't need to look at it while driving (normally lol) I just like ok that this turnoff and go right etc... same sort of idea...that my pumpkin head just thought makes an ok analogy....
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  • #563
  • Oct 27, 2025 2:18pm Oct 27, 2025 2:18pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} It's just the discretionary nature of it that puzzles me, the shorter sessions seem more logical for intra-day trading, whereas maybe longer term trading is more suited with weekly / monthly VP's. Saying that, my eyes have been accustomed to seeing congestion points, be they large obvious ones or even a 2 candle one. So adding any more indicators to my charts would only be more things to look at, which I don't really need. Generally, I see markets returning from a point of Imbalance to Balance then the next move will go from a Rejection...
Discretion is always in play..but it is anchored in IF this then that scenarios... So the discretion comes into which process do I follow..do I jog left or jog right...

And yes the market mechanics... Are the same day in day out...back to the Wyckoff model
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  • #564
  • Oct 27, 2025 4:28pm Oct 27, 2025 4:28pm
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  • #565
  • Oct 27, 2025 5:03pm Oct 27, 2025 5:03pm
Quoting Shabs19
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As they say Shabs....
Nothing new under the Sun
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  • #566
  • Oct 27, 2025 7:41pm Oct 27, 2025 7:41pm
Quoting bluesteele
I recommend anyone interested in these methods of trading.... really study what I am attaching. Its all about Value... Where is Value.. Where is Balance... Are we in balance or imbalanced..using 3 basic tools Initial Balance, Vol Profile and VWAP THink of trading the edges... The edge of Value. There are only 2 options from the edge of Value and that is Return to Value,,fading the extremes or PDC Price Discovery Continuation {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}
Thankyou for posting...
  • #567
  • Oct 27, 2025 7:51pm Oct 27, 2025 7:51pm
Quoting Shabs19
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Thankyou, good stuff, the springs and upthrust.. Dr. David Paul (passed away) would look for these
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  • #568
  • Oct 28, 2025 4:40am Oct 28, 2025 4:40am
Quoting deafpostman
{quote} Thankyou, good stuff, the springs and upthrust.. Dr. David Paul (passed away) would look for these{image}
The last 3 peaks of the Wyckoff Phase resembles another trading pattern, the Quasimodo, a variation of the traditional Head & Shoulders.

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  • #569
  • Oct 28, 2025 8:56am Oct 28, 2025 8:56am
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} The last 3 peaks of the Wyckoff Phase resembles another trading pattern, the Quasimodo, a variation of the traditional Head & Shoulders. {image}
Ah ! Wrong Quasimodo
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  • #570
  • Oct 28, 2025 10:32am Oct 28, 2025 10:32am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Ah ! Wrong Quasimodo {image}
Fine actor - Charles Laughton.

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  • #571
  • Oct 30, 2025 9:52am Oct 30, 2025 9:52am
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  • #572
  • Oct 30, 2025 10:03am Oct 30, 2025 10:03am
Initial Balance Levels
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  • #573
  • Edited 11:39am Oct 30, 2025 11:20am | Edited 11:39am
Blue Jays !!!!! Let's Gooooo !!!
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  • #574
  • Oct 31, 2025 10:13am Oct 31, 2025 10:13am
Quoting bluesteele
Blue Jays !!!!! Let's Gooooo !!! {image}
Go on Kevin - you know you want to.
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  • #575
  • Nov 1, 2025 7:17pm Nov 1, 2025 7:17pm
Blue? This you? lol

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  • #576
  • Nov 1, 2025 7:36pm Nov 1, 2025 7:36pm
Quoting vidvad
Blue? This you? lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLuKUbjFS3s
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hahaha...100% Spot on

Tell ya guys what..I will share something quite valuable... It goes back to Shabs asking about
composite profiles and how it seems discretionary. First post at top of page.

This is a very powerful setup... You too can make a million from it.
And its based on the value area...as discussed in above video. But we need 2 value areas
that are within each others VAH VAL...and either Value area can not be 50% outside of the others.
In other words they need to overlap...Thats the beginning...

Heres a quick goldchart from Wed Thurs...Set Friday up for some excellent trades...

Yes one or two trades as the video says.

Will fill in the rest of details later tonight or tommorrow...

World series on now GO BLUE JAYS.. NJ Devils at LA Kings at 6pm PST in 30 minutes and also a Vancouver Canucks game

Blues a busy guy tonight....lol...

Step 1 identify minimum 2 value areas overlapping
Step 2 draw a composite VP and identify key levels VAH VAL POC and any
outstanding LVN's
Step 3 later

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  • #577
  • Nov 2, 2025 10:25am Nov 2, 2025 10:25am
The market tends to persist in its current behavior rather than abruptly changing direction. Instead of predicting shifts, we align with prevailing market conditions. Trade based on what you see, not what you hope.

I cant emphasize the above enough... This entire forum is filled with analysts and predictions all based on 95% nonsense IMO.
and yes opinions are like bellybuttons I look in the popular gold threads and theres people calling out next weeks price levels etc.
utter nonsense... All trading on hopium of outcomes..I see very very few with any sort of process...and if you dont have a process you will neve find consistency. Process based setups that are consistently repeatable with edge...

Other point..

In trading,,,,we are trading with incomplete information...Would it not be wise to have more pertinent information to enhance
ones edge ? Yes we can go down rabbit holes and that takes some experience some discernment to know when enough is enough..
And that will show in your outcomes... Quite a balancing act trading is...

Other point,,,, the markets tend to range rather than trend on a daytrading level that is...Everything always balances out..
And BALANCE is KEY... Balance is when Price stays in VALUE....and what I would like to show is a way of identifying VALUE.

Trading around the edges of value...either back into balance or into price discovery. Thus we must have a way of identifying
Value levels and of course a way then to execute... But first things first is Identifying Key Volume levels..

I will post some charts and hope some may "get it",,, I think its so key to find what resonates with you..sometimes it takes
a bit of work to figure that out and an open mind..At least until you can definitely say nope not for me..or one takes one takeaway and utilizes that....

We all know this is a tough business at any level. It is my hope I can help someone, somehow someway

And I truly believe this can be a real gamechanger for some. And no 100% I dont know it all not even close,,
Im just regular Joe trader who sort of figured it out(for me) over a period of decades. Countless thousands,tens of thousands
of hours of struggle...

What a journey..anyways LEts talk about Balance and Value and identifying key levels to execute from.
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  • #578
  • Nov 2, 2025 11:30am Nov 2, 2025 11:30am
Volume Profiles are plotted for both the Overnight/Globex session and for the RTH session.
What I am looking for is Overlapping Value Areas... Generally back 4periods(2days).
As the week progresses I am looking at where is the majority of Value at.

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Once I see Value overlapping I simply draw a FRVP to those sessions and that sets the levels
into the nest trading session.

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Here in below chart you can see both the VAL testes and then later on UK ? The VAH tested (orange dooted line)
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  • #579
  • Nov 2, 2025 12:23pm Nov 2, 2025 12:23pm
The market tends to persist in its current behavior rather than abruptly changing direction. Instead of predicting shifts, we align with prevailing market conditions. Trade based on what you see, not what you hope.

Again think of status quo..ranging mkts vs trending mkts... The status quo is Value is Balance... AMT Auction Market Theory 101

So we simply Fade Value are Extremes/Edges and trade return to Value setups when they present..the flip side is Imbalance/Price discovery
then we look to go with the flow on the edges of the other side of value.... i.e VWAP 1SD or VP VAL/VAH...simply trading on the outside
of those levels looking for trend continuation
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And lastly heres the first IB touch trade as referenced in the above Video from Vidvad... Ive never heard of that guy until now... But I am using literally the exact
same ideas principles as him from the IB to VP etc....

Sometimes I forget about Al Brooks...But he has excellent material on the Probabilities of the Open.. First 18 bars...WHich can be condensed down to the first 12 equalling the IB... Al Brooks stats from 30 ++ years of ES is by Bar 12(5 min bars) 70% probability the H or L of Day is established..By bar 18/1.5 hrs from Open
a 90% probability the H or L of day is set in stone. And this is something I have been trading for a number of years now and always cognizant of.

The Initial Balance is very much aligned with what Al speaks of with the first 18 5min bars of the RTH.

Brick by brick we build our foundation and house More a bit later

Cheers
Blue


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  • #580
  • Edited 6:43pm Nov 2, 2025 5:37pm | Edited 6:43pm
Just a few thoughts...

I know there are many ways to trade the markets.
There is no right way...it is what works for you.

With that said... It is just my opinion that if you are daytrading and not using volume. You are flying at best with one eye open.

Edit: As I have said retail traders are trading with truly little information other than the charts...time and Price...I really think if
traders can open their mind to volume you will either find new edge or further your current edge. (forgot to include this in post)

More like your reading a book but you only see the pictures...or your watching a movie with no sound ..you are missing out on essential details..that candlesticks ..patterns can not tell you. As much as you think they can..they can't.

I subscribe to the Wyckoff theories but he himself found using volume was essential for his trading.

Patterns and candlesticks don't move markets or decide value or balance or direction... Volume precedes all of that...

Not my intent to.ruffle feathers again it's just my opinion.. I used to use volume trading stocks pre 2002ish. 80s 90s etc. I always looked at volume... Not the way I do now...but for years and years I got away from it... It is only now in hindsight I see the err of my ways
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