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  • #1,221
  • Oct 22, 2025 11:36am Oct 22, 2025 11:36am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Absolutely. 95 correlation is HARD to do if you just switch a couple of things here and there.
Thanks.
  • #1,222
  • Oct 22, 2025 11:53am Oct 22, 2025 11:53am
Quoting sampat
{quote} Well if your darwin is at 100 HWM and you baught permanent allocation and your darwin goes to 95. If your darwin goes to 95. You baught booster. You will miss out 5% gain on booster. Imagine if your darwin goes to 90, You have option to buy buy one more booster and if you recover to 100. With booster you make lot of money while recovering.
Yes, it may be that you would profit this way during the recovery from a drawdown, but you can't guarantee that the drawdown won't become even greater from the moment you purchased the booster, which is time-limited, and if you don't make any profits during that time, it's useless.

In contrast, you benefit from the permanent, unlimited allocation once you've reached the HWM level again and start making profits again. Personally, I'm more concerned with achieving long-term, consistent profits using as much capital as possible at the best price, without any time pressure to achieve these profits.

I think both things serve their purpose provided there really are no limitations or hidden rules and you receive your payouts (no matter the amount) based on the performance you achieve on the capital you have acquired for your Darwin/s through DarwinIA, Boosters, Permanent Allocations or even foreign Investors capital.
  • #1,223
  • Oct 22, 2025 12:04pm Oct 22, 2025 12:04pm
A major disadvantage I see (which is unfortunately rarely mentioned) in trading investor capital, and all the efforts to achieve this, is that it can create enormous psychological pressure, first of all, to trade real money with people you don't know and who have their expectations.

Who can guarantee, for example, that after 2, 3, 4, or 5 years of trading your Darwin and spent your time, you've built a great track record and thus raised, say, $5 million in real investor capital with your Darwin, that these investors won't abandon you after a short time?

Then you'll have no money in your Darwin again. Or even worse at this time Darwinex stops operating? You can then try to raise funds with your track record somewhere else. You could have built such verified track record with other trustworthy independent providers too, without paying years in subscription fees.
  • #1,224
  • Oct 22, 2025 12:09pm Oct 22, 2025 12:09pm
Quoting Noisy
May I ask how you feel about Darwinex's fees?

Sounds to me like you're part of the "Martingale" faction? Lots of small wins and then potentially a few big losses to give it all back.
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i trade futures only...... i never give commissions, spreads, slippage and such any thought...... none..... never......

really don't know how much they charge...... here is my report...... 657 total trades...... 4629 in commissions.....

looks like i made barely over 100k and they took 4629....... leaving me with 96.46k.......

who got the better end of that deal.......

my rare large losses are a result of what i said, those vicious spikes against me...... they are unavoidable if your in the market 100% of the time.....

martingale graphs are unmistakable...... no martingale for me...... have nothing bad to say about martingale....... there are better ways to trade.......

losses are just part of the game.......

a very small part......h
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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,225
  • Oct 22, 2025 1:26pm Oct 22, 2025 1:26pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, it may be that you would profit this way during the recovery from a drawdown, but you can't guarantee that the drawdown won't become even greater from the moment you purchased the booster, which is time-limited, and if you don't make any profits during that time, it's useless. In contrast, you benefit from the permanent, unlimited allocation once you've reached the HWM level again and start making profits again. Personally, I'm more concerned with achieving long-term, consistent profits using as much capital as possible at the best...
There is no hidden rule if you keep position size small and constant. Try 0.1 lot of xau/usd and don't martingale or dca. Keep reasonable SL your VAR will remain constant with 2x or 3x your signal account.
Name of the game is to maintain VAR to reasonable value.
  • #1,226
  • Oct 22, 2025 2:14pm Oct 22, 2025 2:14pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} There is no hidden rule if you keep position size small and constant. Try 0.1 lot of xau/usd and don't martingale or dca. Keep reasonable SL your VAR will remain constant with 2x or 3x your signal account. Name of the game is to maintain VAR to reasonable value.
Boom. Exactly.
  • #1,227
  • Oct 22, 2025 3:01pm Oct 22, 2025 3:01pm
It's truly mind blowing to see hours and hours of wasted time making useless calculations for this model and that model and on and on and on.

1) Make 1, 2, 3% per month for a couple of years and you'll be making boat loads of cash and will have the best job ever with unlimited income earning potential

2) You can't make 1, 2 , 3% a month and you won't succeed with this model or any model

In both cases, all of the calculations that are being made day after day after day after day are 100% completely IRRELEVANT!!
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,228
  • Oct 22, 2025 3:08pm Oct 22, 2025 3:08pm
And then there's Canadian commie clown OutThere with his constant "but but but if you don't keep hitting your ATH then the big bad Darwin wolf will huff and puff and blow your house down!"

Use your pea brain OutThere.

If you make 1, 2, 3% per month then in between some small drawdowns you will eventually keep hitting and making new ATHs

It's not complicated.

Stop trying to be a victim and start living in victory!
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,229
  • Oct 22, 2025 3:40pm Oct 22, 2025 3:40pm
Quoting Expo33
If you make 1, 2, 3% per month
Why don't you show us this instead of lecturing others?

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Stop trying to be a victim and start living in victory!

Embracing a victor mindset means taking control of your reactions. You still have to work on that (It’s not complicated)

Are devout Christians actually allowed to be on a trading forum? Don't go to hell, my good fellow ;-)
  • #1,230
  • Oct 22, 2025 4:17pm Oct 22, 2025 4:17pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Why don't you show us this instead of lecturing others? {quote} Embracing a victor mindset means taking control of your reactions. You still have to work on that (It’s not complicated) Are devout Christians actually allowed to be on a trading forum? Don't go to hell, my good fellow ;-)
As expected neither of your points have anything to do with what I said.

Expo 2 - TRANdy 0

Please refrain from existing. You're like a festering STD that never goes away
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,231
  • Oct 22, 2025 4:23pm Oct 22, 2025 4:23pm
It is absolutely true that you have to always keep hitting your ATH to get paid. The only way you still would get paid is if you have had such high constant ATH that you have overshot the 75 rating. If you fall off the ATH and below 75 you are fkd. Think of hamster on the wheel. Think of a generator producing electricity. Think of Neo still in the pod producing energy for the matrix. You ain't making money unless you produce money that has got tru the RE because your underlying does not count unless it also makes the RE produce electricity basically by induction.
To compare with a prop, if your underlying made 10%, your prop made 10%. At Darwinex if your underlying made 10%, your Darwin could be at minus 3.
It is really important for noobs to distinguish prop from darwinex. Not at all the same thing.
Also, I highly recommend to stay away from all the gimmicks such as boosters and 100k unless you are in your mind such a proven RE trader that your future higher ATH's are guaranteed in your mind.
  • #1,232
  • Oct 22, 2025 5:01pm Oct 22, 2025 5:01pm
Quoting Expo33
It's truly mind blowing to see hours and hours of wasted time making useless calculations for this model and that model and on and on and on. 1) Make 1, 2, 3% per month for a couple of years and you'll be making boat loads of cash and will have the best job ever with unlimited income earning potential 2) You can't make 1, 2 , 3% a month and you won't succeed with this model or any model In both cases, all of the calculations that are being made day after day after day after day are 100% completely IRRELEVANT!!
I agree. I have 3 Darwins purchased 3 months apart. I have never added a booster or permanent allocation. 2 should be Gold by January and the final one March-April. 2% in Gold gets you 50K and good for 6 months, so 900K between the 3....at 2% monthly I anticipate atleast some investor capital, bottom line is I can see 100K potential. If I don't secure enough investor capital, I will add 3 more.
  • #1,233
  • Oct 22, 2025 5:06pm Oct 22, 2025 5:06pm
Quoting OutThere
It is absolutely true that you have to always keep hitting your ATH to get paid. The only way you still would get paid is if you have had such high constant ATH that you have overshot the 75 rating. If you fall off the ATH and below 75 you are fkd. Think of hamster on the wheel. Think of a generator producing electricity. Think of Neo still in the pod producing energy for the matrix. You ain't making money unless you produce money that has got tru the RE because your underlying does not count unless it also makes the RE produce electricity basically...
It has to be paid on ATH, otherwise investors would be paying performance fees repeatedly for the SAME PROFIT.
Correct, I try to emphasize this over and over.....this is not a prop firm. If you don't have 2 years to build this, don't bother. You have to go in with that mindset.
  • #1,234
  • Oct 22, 2025 5:13pm Oct 22, 2025 5:13pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} It has to be paid on ATH, otherwise investors would be paying performance fees repeatedly for the SAME PROFIT. Correct, I try to emphasize this over and over.....this is not a prop firm. If you don't have 2 years to build this, don't bother. You have to go in with that mindset.
Great. So you agree with me.
  • #1,235
  • Oct 22, 2025 5:18pm Oct 22, 2025 5:18pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Why don't you show us this instead of lecturing others? {quote} Embracing a victor mindset means taking control of your reactions. You still have to work on that (It’s not complicated) Are devout Christians actually allowed to be on a trading forum? Don't go to hell, my good fellow ;-)
He doesn't have anything to show other that his piranha
jagged teeth that he can't afford to fix and his tight spandex that he likes to pose in and post pics on FF. I'd put up the link to it but it's disgusting.
  • #1,236
  • Oct 22, 2025 6:51pm Oct 22, 2025 6:51pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Great. So you agree with me.
Yes, because I believe EVERYTHING must be paid on ATH.....Let's use prop example, you pass stage 1 and 2 and get to live.....
You make 3 % and get a payout, next month you lose 2%, if you gain 2% the next month, you are not getting paid on that.
Now you make 1% the next month, you get paid, but in reality that is an all time high of 4%, it's just you pulled the other 3% out.
When you get paid by Darwinex, it doesn't come out of the account, the return is just multiplied against your AUM, so yes, of course, you will always need ATH to get paid.....JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE.
  • #1,237
  • Oct 22, 2025 7:05pm Oct 22, 2025 7:05pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, because I believe EVERYTHING must be paid on ATH.....Let's use prop example, you pass stage 1 and 2 and get to live..... You make 3 % and get a payout, next month you lose 2%, if you gain 2% the next month, you are not getting paid on that. Now you make 1% the next month, you get paid, but in reality that is an all time high of 4%, it's just you pulled the other 3% out. When you get paid by Darwinex, it doesn't come out of the account, the return is just multiplied against your AUM, so yes, of course, you will always need ATH to get...
Nope. Not like everywhere else.
At Darwinex, losing that 1, 2, 3% cuts your multiplier for a long ass extended time, therefore limiting your progress and every additional cut further erodes your ability to catch up until it is no longer worth keeping the account. At props, if you are at 3% and lose 2%, your multiplier stays same at 1:1 with no long term punishment bestowed upon your lot size.
Why don't you understand this simple difference?
  • #1,238
  • Oct 22, 2025 7:11pm Oct 22, 2025 7:11pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Nope. Not like everywhere else. At Darwinex, losing that 1, 2, 3% cuts your multiplier for a long ass extended time, therefore limiting your progress and every additional cut further erodes your ability to catch up until it is no longer worth keeping the account. At props, if you are at 3% and lose 2%, your multiplier stays same at 1:1 with no long term punishment bestowed upon your lot size. Why don't you understand this simple difference?
If you use DCA and martingale yes. If you use risk consistantly with same lot size multiplier will have no impact.
  • #1,239
  • Oct 22, 2025 7:13pm Oct 22, 2025 7:13pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Nope. Not like everywhere else. At Darwinex, losing that 1, 2, 3% cuts your multiplier for a long ass extended time, therefore limiting your progress and every additional cut further erodes your ability to catch up until it is no longer worth keeping the account. At props, if you are at 3% and lose 2%, your multiplier stays same at 1:1 with no long term punishment bestowed upon your lot size. Why don't you understand this simple difference?
I have had losing months and it doesn't cut my multiplier.....
What cuts your multiplier is over leverage and holding too long, which is what most traders are doing when in DD.
Especially a grid/martingale EA which holds and keeps adding....Hell yes, your risk multiplier will be crushed .....AS IT SHOULD
I can see why you'd assume they are corelated, but they are not.
If you continue to trade the same size while in DD, your risk multiplier will not change.......Hell, I'm coming off of a negative month and my multiplier just jumpoed to 2.27 in that Darwin....
Why don't you understand the simplicity of this?
  • #1,240
  • Oct 22, 2025 7:16pm Oct 22, 2025 7:16pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} If you use DCA and martingale yes. If you use risk consistantly with same lot size multiplier will have no impact.
lol, just posted the same. So frustrating when folks who don't understand insist that they are correct.
I mean why listen to the guy who is crushing 3 Darwins?
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