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  • #41
  • Sep 25, 2025 4:07am Sep 25, 2025 4:07am
NAS100 data

Daily pivots
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  • #42
  • Sep 25, 2025 8:13am Sep 25, 2025 8:13am
Hi Mandarin,
im not really following as you keep swapping from 'candle timeframe'

i have applied ONE hour rolling pivots and FOUR hour rolling pivots to these two M5 charts - i dont look at higher time frames at all, as the few ema,s tell me where we are higher up,
im have some really good trades with these lower time frame pivot points - and my origional question was why does no one use them ? yet GPT states banks and algorithms use them ....
i guess i just carry on the way i am doing if it fits its fits.. and without doubt price hits these levels to the pip .. i look at the one hour pivots for continuation through each four hour pivot line - and sure enough when price has had enough both one hour and the four hour show confluence and price bounces away the other way...
  • #43
  • Sep 25, 2025 8:15am Sep 25, 2025 8:15am
the thick white line is yesterdays low..
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  • #44
  • Sep 25, 2025 8:15am Sep 25, 2025 8:15am
the blue lines are MID pivot lines - (half way between each pivot) but do still hold value ..
  • #45
  • Sep 25, 2025 9:02am Sep 25, 2025 9:02am
Quoting Nellycopter
Hi Mandarin, im not really following as you keep swapping from 'candle timeframe' i have applied ONE hour rolling pivots and FOUR hour rolling pivots to these two M5 charts - i dont look at higher time frames at all, as the few ema,s tell me where we are higher up, im have some really good trades with these lower time frame pivot points - and my origional question was why does no one use them ? yet GPT states banks and algorithms use them .... i guess i just carry on the way i am doing if it fits its fits.. and without doubt price hits these levels...
I gave you what you asked. Statistics for 1h and 4h rolling pivots. And show for extra that daily and weekly are much better.

Why nobody uses intraday rolling pivots ? They are quite useless.
And you are add additionally half pivots, sure they get hit a lot because is inside hourly ATR. No magic there.
And don't believe everything gpt says.
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  • #46
  • Sep 25, 2025 10:14am Sep 25, 2025 10:14am
Quoting Nellycopter
Hi Mandarin, im not really following as you keep swapping from 'candle timeframe' i have applied ONE hour rolling pivots and FOUR hour rolling pivots to these two M5 charts - i dont look at higher time frames at all, as the few ema,s tell me where we are higher up, im have some really good trades with these lower time frame pivot points - and my origional question was why does no one use them ? yet GPT states banks and algorithms use them .... i guess i just carry on the way i am doing if it fits its fits.. and without doubt price hits these levels...
You have 26 pivot points/levels every hour, sure one may react to the tick with level.
What level do you use for entry and what to exit ?


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  • #47
  • Sep 26, 2025 2:00am Sep 26, 2025 2:00am
the shorter lines and the brown box are the 4 hour pivots the longer off picture lines are the daily you refer to, i stay in the trade while 3ema is above the 15ema which is just the same as the 50line on most indicators like rsi etc, orange line is 45ema 15 from 15min - 180ema cyan is 15ema from one hour - so 5min 15min and one hour timeframes the rsi etc is above 50 level, gets out that shaded box at 8am im in - although i did have some pips at 7am as 3 ema white broke above all other ema,s and out of the four hour pivot box from 4am (uk time) ill pot a pic..
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  • #48
  • Sep 26, 2025 2:01am Sep 26, 2025 2:01am
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  • #49
  • Sep 26, 2025 2:03am Sep 26, 2025 2:03am
that drop back down now from r2 is 100pips - glad i wasnt holding out for the daily S1..
if it gets out that box to the underside - we going down ...but not until white gets under all them emas to show that the rsi on one hour has broke 50 level...
  • #50
  • Oct 9, 2025 7:44am Oct 9, 2025 7:44am
so its making pips every day i trade ger40,Nas100 & Us30 and these levels hold good every day..
chart is Nas100
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  • #51
  • Oct 9, 2025 7:45am Oct 9, 2025 7:45am
Ger40
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  • #52
  • Oct 9, 2025 8:34am Oct 9, 2025 8:34am
Hi Nellycopter,
Is there anyway you can share setup(indis and template) please.TIA
  • #53
  • Nov 18, 2025 1:04am Nov 18, 2025 1:04am
Quoting Nellycopter
Ger40 {image}
This is good in trending markets. Quite a few losses in ranges though. So your basically at the whim of trend or range changes. I use llower timeframe pivots to determine how the market is interpreting larger timeframe pivots so I can operate in trend or range environments without worry since it is the interpretation of targets that form the perception of value and then moves the market in that directions. What is the winrate of this system out of curiosity?
  • #54
  • Nov 18, 2025 1:35am Nov 18, 2025 1:35am
Quoting sharingan9
{quote} This is good in trending markets. Quite a few losses in ranges though. So your basically at the whim of trend or range changes. I use llower timeframe pivots to determine how the market is interpreting larger timeframe pivots so I can operate in trend or range environments without worry since it is the interpretation of targets that form the perception of value and then moves the market in that directions. What is the winrate of this system out of curiosity?
What is the best solution ?
Trade as if we are always in range ?
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  • #55
  • Nov 18, 2025 9:23am Nov 18, 2025 9:23am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} What is the best solution ? Trade as if we are always in range ?
I dont know what the solution is for this system. I just trade based on failure to reach lower timeframe pivot targets because of larger timeframe pivot targets so I dont have to worry about trend or range. I was just curious about this strategy as i think its the only thread ive seen that uses H1 and H4 pivots other than myself.
  • #56
  • Last Post: Jan 7, 2026 7:06am Jan 7, 2026 7:06am
so I haven't given up and what I started with seems to be pretty good, ok so whip saws are dangerous especially on the NAS100 but most days if you have the patience these lower pivot points H4, H1, M15 do hold well , if the gas gets to the outer pivot on the H4 set then it becomes very tired and has a really hard time breaking it ...
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