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  • #1,081
  • Oct 4, 2025 6:53am Oct 4, 2025 6:53am
Quoting deroty
{quote} Hi Hayseed. Thank you taking me serious and answering. You mention "you can still make the normal %15" while in correlation. I guess I will benefit from permanent allocation and performance boosters. Are there anything other than performance boosters and permanent allocation - like any additional capital that I can benefit from? Other than this - I am sure that I will pass the 75 rating. Do you advise me to use only one account and expect a million capital? Or 4 accounts - all of them having permanent allocation - and have 400K? Do you advise...
The only thing impacted by correlation is seed capital......permanent, booster and investor funds you will still earn from. You will also earn from any seed capital which was allocated the past 3 months.....it only impacts getting new allocations.

At one point, I was considering having 10 Darwins all with permanent and copy trading.....1 mil in funding at 15%, would be same as a 150K personal account for about 10% of the cost (at the time, now more like 11-12%) of funding it oneself. Math wise, the best ROI comes from the permanent requiring 10%, which would run about 3% ($4,300) the cost of funding your own 150K..... You, of course, would be giving up the first 15K in profits (on 10 of them) but initial outlay is 13K less.

I have not run the math on the boosters.

As far as correlation, I have 3 Darwins and they all get allocated every month, except for my 1st one which has had 2 down months....1 is day trading futures, but the other 2 are CFD accounts and if you slightly vary the entries and exits.....it is actually PRETTY TOUGH to get correlated.
  • #1,082
  • Oct 4, 2025 7:21am Oct 4, 2025 7:21am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The only thing impacted by correlation is seed capital......permanent, booster and investor funds you will still earn from. You will also earn from any seed capital which was allocated the past 3 months.....it only impacts getting new allocations. At one point, I was considering having 10 Darwins all with permanent and copy trading.....1 mil in funding at 15%, would be same as a 150K personal account for about 10% of the cost (at the time, now more like 11-12%) of funding it oneself. Math wise, the best ROI comes from the permanent requiring...
Thank you pipmaster.

So I understand that you advise me to be correlated and get 400K giving up on seed capital. I will do that. After all, I looked at the chart of top earners, only a minor percentage of clients make more than 400K. So - I will invest in permanent allocation more guaranteed. I hope you I read along the lines correct - you mean it is better correlated 4 accounts instead of 1 account.
  • #1,083
  • Oct 4, 2025 7:44am Oct 4, 2025 7:44am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The only thing impacted by correlation is seed capital......permanent, booster and investor funds you will still earn from. You will also earn from any seed capital which was allocated the past 3 months.....it only impacts getting new allocations. At one point, I was considering having 10 Darwins all with permanent and copy trading.....1 mil in funding at 15%, would be same as a 150K personal account for about 10% of the cost (at the time, now more like 11-12%) of funding it oneself. Math wise, the best ROI comes from the permanent requiring...
One more question, Pipmaster and Hayseed. Warning in my email for correlation tells the attached screenshot. If I am excluded from the competititon and have more than 75 rating they will refund me according to the attached screenshot? If they refund my monthly fee - will I benefit from permanent allocation, boosters and investors - for free? Attached.
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  • #1,084
  • Oct 4, 2025 8:44am Oct 4, 2025 8:44am
Quoting deroty
{quote} One more question, Pipmaster and Hayseed. Warning in my email for correlation tells the attached screenshot. If I am excluded from the competititon and have more than 75 rating they will refund me according to the attached screenshot? If they refund my monthly fee - will I benefit from permanent allocation, boosters and investors - for free? Attached. {image}
This I do not know for sure. When I was researching have multiple with permanent and copying, forgoing seed capital in all but one........I was under the impression I would still be paying a fee. Discord may have an answer......ask Kierann.
  • #1,085
  • Oct 4, 2025 8:45am Oct 4, 2025 8:45am
Quoting deroty
{quote} Thank you pipmaster. So I understand that you advise me to be correlated and get 400K giving up on seed capital. I will do that. After all, I looked at the chart of top earners, only a minor percentage of clients make more than 400K. So - I will invest in permanent allocation more guaranteed. I hope you I read along the lines correct - you mean it is better correlated 4 accounts instead of 1 account.
Actually, if I were to advise, I would get the permanent with the 10% target, for the reasons I explained above. Furthermore, instead of copying EXACTLY, I would deviate the entries and exits and it will be VERY LIKELY to avoid correlation and get seed allocations as well.
  • #1,086
  • Oct 4, 2025 8:53am Oct 4, 2025 8:53am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Actually, if I were to advise, I would get the permanent with the 10% target, for the reasons I explained above. Furthermore, instead of copying EXACTLY, I would deviate the entries and exits and it will be VERY LIKELY to avoid correlation and get seed allocations as well.
Thank you pipmaster...
  • #1,087
  • Oct 4, 2025 8:15pm Oct 4, 2025 8:15pm
Quoting deroty
{quote} Hi Hayseed. Thank you taking me serious and answering. You mention "you can still make the normal %15" while in correlation. I guess I will benefit from permanent allocation and performance boosters. Are there anything other than performance boosters and permanent allocation - like any additional capital that I can benefit from? Other than this - I am sure that I will pass the 75 rating. Do you advise me to use only one account and expect a million capital? Or 4 accounts - all of them having permanent allocation - and have...
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hey deroty..... the only thing that you might miss out on is the new points system...... you can actually put a dollar value on it.....

i personally do not expect a million in investor capital......

really not sure what advice i can offer except make sure you can justify 4 accounts with all that paid for funding.....

multiple accounts can be a burden...... it splits your focus.....

the threshold for exclusion is a .5 between our accounts...... it is inconceivable for me to ever be that low...... anything less that .90 would surprise me..... and there is 0 copy trading..... it's not something that concerns me......

the permanent funding and boosters do interest me.... but i wade in slowly......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,088
  • Oct 5, 2025 5:18am Oct 5, 2025 5:18am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- hey deroty..... the only thing that you might miss out on is the new points system...... you can actually put a dollar value on it..... i personally do not expect a million in investor capital...... really not sure what advice i can offer except make sure you can justify 4 accounts with all that paid for funding..... multiple accounts can be a burden...... it splits your focus..... the threshold for exclusion is a .5 between our accounts...... it is inconceivable for me to ever be that low...... anything less that .90 would surprise...

Hi Hayseed, Pipmaster and all friends.

I have a question. My normal (not prop firm - normal account of my own) has 1:200 leverage and returns 40% per month.

My Darwinexzero accounts are 1:30 leverage and because I decreased the lot size, returns 13% per month.

With 1/3 of the lot size, do you believe instead of Darwinex permanent allocation, I should trade my own money?

In 4 accounts If I have 100K permanent each and a total of 400K, I will have %15x400K= 60K because fee is %15. And because I use 1/3 lot, It is like 20K.

This means my 4 accounts of 400K, it is like trading my own 20K.

What do you advise me to do? I have 4 accounts in Darwinex, annual payment expiring February and 2 of them has permanent allocation. Do you advise me to cancel 2 acounts and use 2 permanent allocations paid? If you advise me to use my own money I will do that. Is it good having 4 darwinexzero accounts of 2 darwinexzero accounts - or only one of them and trade my own money?
  • #1,089
  • Oct 5, 2025 6:41am Oct 5, 2025 6:41am
Quoting deroty
{quote} Hi Hayseed, Pipmaster and all friends. I have a question. My normal (not prop firm - normal account of my own) has 1:200 leverage and returns 40% per month. My Darwinexzero accounts are 1:30 leverage and because I decreased the lot size, returns 13% per month. With 1/3 of the lot size, do you believe instead of Darwinex permanent allocation, I should trade my own money? In 4 accounts If I have 100K permanent each and a total of 400K, I will have %15x400K= 60K because fee is %15. And because I use 1/3 lot, It is like 20K. This means my 4...
I have a couple of questions before I can comment......
1. How long have you been earning 40% on personal money? Pardon my skepticism, but even a small 5K account becomes over a million in 16 months.
2. If you are earning 13% monthly on Darwinex, you should be near the number1 spot and getting 200K+ allocations from Darwinex, as you have shared your rating(s) with me previously, is extremely high DD preventing seed allocations from occurring?
3. If it is high DD in Darwinex and you are trading the same but 3x larger in personal, what is your risk of ruin on the personal account? I'm guessing over 50%, which is insane!!!!
  • #1,090
  • Oct 5, 2025 6:55am Oct 5, 2025 6:55am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I have a couple of questions before I can comment...... 1. How long have you been earning 40% on personal money? Pardon my skepticism, but even a small 5K account becomes over a million in 16 months. 2. If you are earning 13% monthly on Darwinex, you should be near the number1 spot and getting 200K+ allocations from Darwinex, as you have shared your rating(s) with me previously, is extremely high DD preventing seed allocations from occurring? 3. If it is high DD in Darwinex and you are trading the same but 3x larger in personal, what is...
Sorry Pipmaster I meant 40% per year. Can you help?

Lastly - I had to decrease the lot size because of low leverage in darwinex. So in my real account with more lots I have the same DD - Lots decreased because of leverage.

Do you advise me to use my own funds or how many accounts do you advise? 2 of them with permanent allocation.

Thank you Pipmaster for not ignoring me and helping.
  • #1,091
  • Oct 5, 2025 7:09am Oct 5, 2025 7:09am
Quoting deroty
{quote} Sorry Pipmaster I meant 40% per year. Can you help? Lastly - I had to decrease the lot size because of low leverage in darwinex. So in my real account with more lots I have the same DD - Lots decreased because of leverage. Do you advise me to use my own funds or how many accounts do you advise? 2 of them with permanent allocation. Thank you Pipmaster for not ignoring me and helping.

To clarify: I am in sort of martingale-grid. Please do not criticize me. So higher leverage means better lots and with better leverage dd. My Martingale has 4 years of live published track record. But I am ready to lose. What do you advice about personal trading and darwinex trading?
  • #1,092
  • Oct 5, 2025 7:11am Oct 5, 2025 7:11am
Quoting deroty
{quote} Sorry Pipmaster I meant 40% per year. Can you help? Lastly - I had to decrease the lot size because of low leverage in darwinex. So in my real account with more lots I have the same DD - Lots decreased because of leverage. Do you advise me to use my own funds or how many accounts do you advise? 2 of them with permanent allocation. Thank you Pipmaster for not ignoring me and helping.
Why on earth would I ignore you? These are legitimate, relevant inquiries.
OK, 40% per year, much easier to comprehend.
Let's dive into your Darwins...are you straight copying all 4, so 3 are disqualified for seed due to correlation ?
You can PM these numbers if you don't wish to post here, but can you send me your rating, prev 5 months return and DD as well as your risk multiplier on each?
  • #1,093
  • Oct 5, 2025 7:31am Oct 5, 2025 7:31am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Why on earth would I ignore you? These are legitimate, relevant inquiries. OK, 40% per year, much easier to comprehend. Let's dive into your Darwins...are you straight copying all 4, so 3 are disqualified for seed due to correlation ? You can PM these numbers if you don't wish to post here, but can you send me your rating, prev 5 months return and DD as well as your risk multiplier on each?
Thank you pipmaster. I sent you pm. Can you answer? If you want I can post here too so everyone can benefit.
  • #1,094
  • Oct 5, 2025 7:31am Oct 5, 2025 7:31am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Why on earth would I ignore you? These are legitimate, relevant inquiries. OK, 40% per year, much easier to comprehend. Let's dive into your Darwins...are you straight copying all 4, so 3 are disqualified for seed due to correlation ? You can PM these numbers if you don't wish to post here, but can you send me your rating, prev 5 months return and DD as well as your risk multiplier on each?

Yes. Copying 4 of them. Only one excluded.
  • #1,095
  • Oct 5, 2025 1:28pm Oct 5, 2025 1:28pm
Quoting deroty
Is it good having 4 darwinexzero accounts of 2 darwinexzero accounts
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hey deroty..... consider this..... with your return rate of 40% per year.... lets say 3% per month......

if your personal account has 100k and you make 9k, in 3 months, you get 9k...... so your personal account is now 109k....... 3% per month.....

assume your darwin zero signal account is 100k and you buy a 3 month 100k booster for 520$..... if you make 9k, in 3 months, your performance fees will be (0.15 * 9k), 1500$......

if your monthly darwin account subscription is 60$ and the booster cost 520$, your cash out lay for 3 months is 700$......

you spent 700$ to make 1500$...... doubled your money..... in 3 months.... with a single 100k booster.....

from a precent returns prospective, the fewer darwin accounts with higher boosters is better....... your saving the 60$ per month subscription fee......

1 darwin with 400k in additional paid for funding is far better than 4 darwins each with 100k in additional boosters...... 180$ a month better...... going the 6 month or yearly route is far better still......

the single darwin would cost less overall and avoid correlation......

as long as darwin itself permits it, there is nothing wrong with someone having any number of darwin accounts maxed out on paid for funding....... providing we can justify the cost and risk......
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keep in mind, it's the performance of your darwin index that determines seed capital, investor funds and performance fees......

wade in slow......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,096
  • Oct 5, 2025 2:23pm Oct 5, 2025 2:23pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Is it excluded because it is correlating with a random Darwin or with one of your own?

Hi. Sorry for the late post and ignoring all of you. I have attention problems and did not monitor the replies very well....

Yes - correlation is between my 4 account. Although one is suspended.
  • #1,097
  • Oct 5, 2025 2:33pm Oct 5, 2025 2:33pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- hey deroty..... the only thing that you might miss out on is the new points system...... you can actually put a dollar value on it..... i personally do not expect a million in investor capital...... really not sure what advice i can offer except make sure you can justify 4 accounts with all that paid for funding..... multiple accounts can be a burden...... it splits your focus..... the threshold for exclusion is a .5 between our accounts...... it is inconceivable for me to ever be that low...... anything less that .90 would surprise...

Thank you to all of you!... I am trying to get reading all of yours posts
  • #1,098
  • Oct 5, 2025 2:42pm Oct 5, 2025 2:42pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- hey deroty..... consider this..... with your return rate of 40% per year.... lets say 3% per month...... if your personal account has 100k and you make 9k, in 3 months, you get 9k...... so your personal account is now 109k....... 3% per month..... assume your darwin zero signal account is 100k and you buy a 3 month 100k booster for 520$..... if you make 9k, in 3 months, your performance fees will be (0.15 * 9k), 1500$...... if your monthly darwin account subscription is 60$ and the booster cost 520$, your cash out lay for 3 months...

Thank you Hayseed

I am noting all of yours inputs.... Thank you!...
  • #1,099
  • Edited 5:58pm Oct 5, 2025 5:33pm | Edited 5:58pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The only thing impacted by correlation is seed capital......permanent, booster and investor funds you will still earn from. You will also earn from any seed capital which was allocated the past 3 months.....it only impacts getting new allocations. At one point, I was considering having 10 Darwins all with permanent and copy trading.....1 mil in funding at 15%, would be same as a 150K personal account for about 10% of the cost (at the time, now more like 11-12%) of funding it oneself. Math wise, the best ROI comes from the permanent requiring...
I just looked again and think it's very unrealistic for me to get the capital I need with one DARWIN to really live off it (100k/year). Even if I were to achieve an average return of 2% per month with my DARWIN, I would need almost 2.8 million AuM.

I hardly believe that this can be achieved quickly (within 2 years) through investor capital when I consider how few DARWINS have that much AuM and how long it took them to achieve this.

The only way to get this amount of capital quickly would be, as you already mentioned, several DARWINS and purchasing the 100k allocations. But 28 DARWINS for that reason? That would already be $55,860 in one-time costs for the purchase with immediate activation + $14,448 per year in ongoing subscription costs. So a total of $70,308 in expenses in the first year. $2,800,000 (AuM) * 0.24 (APY) * 0.15 (PF) = $100,800

In the first year, you would make a profit of around $30,000 (assuming you actually achieve the 24% annual return). After that, things would look better, as the one-time costs would be recouped. However, upfront costs would be high (if even possible to really buy 28 instant permanent allocations) and the risk of not achieving the desired trading performance especially under the additional unpredictability of how the risk engine dictates the outcome of your raw trading results.

To compare this with the prop firm model in case of FTMO:

2 x 200k one-time account challenge fees = $2,561

$400,000 (AuM) * 0.24 (APY) * 0.80 (Profit Split) = $76,800

Yes, there's a risk of failing the challenge, not receiving the payouts, and not achieving the desired performance.

OR. Personal account with 420k. ;-)

420,000 (AuM) * 0.24 (APY) = $100,800
  • #1,100
  • Oct 6, 2025 9:20am Oct 6, 2025 9:20am
Quoting Noisy
$2,800,000 (AuM) * 0.24 (APY) * 0.15 (PF) = $100,800
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don't forget your darwin risk factor, var ratio....... it can double your effective returns......

or cut them in half......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
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