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  • #1,061
  • Sep 3, 2025 5:09am Sep 3, 2025 5:09am
Quoting Noisy
The only good news I heard today about Darwinex is that once you reach Gold status, your DARWIN supposedly remains open to investors forever from that point on. I had assumed that if, for example, you reached Gold after 8 months and then slipped back to Silver in the 9th month because you no longer achieved the profitability required for Gold, you would be blocked from investors again. But thankfully, that is not the case. On the other hand, I wonder how long I will have to pay 38 euros a month to ever reach Gold status and be open to investors,...
That's why I'm going with AxiSelect and FTMO.
Darwinex is a yawn.
I have 4 accounts. If one is super successful, that's all I'd keep.

Now watch pipmaster come in and say how wonderfully great Darwinex is.
  • #1,062
  • Sep 3, 2025 5:50am Sep 3, 2025 5:50am
Quoting OutThere
That's why I'm going with AxiSelect and FTMO. Darwinex is a yawn. I have 4 accounts. If one is super successful, that's all I'd keep.
You've got a good grasp of the situation. You're one of the few here who doesn't praise everything that glitters.

In any case, Darwinex doesn't make much sense to me if it's simply not worth it compared to other options. I certainly don't want to pay EUR 38 per month (which is a lot of money for me) just to get a verified track record that has been risk-adjusted by a risk engine. What can I buy with that? To get a verified track record for my account, I can also link it to one of the many free providers that create a verified track record for the account.

Paying a monthly fee indefinitely without being able to achieve the required profits in the desired time frame does not add any value for me. Then I might even be better off with a Darwinex Classic account, where you can also receive DarwinIA allocations and is even open to investors AuM from day 1.

Example:

€1,000 Darwinex classic live account (deposited by myself)
2% profit at the end of the month achieved from €1,000 capital
100% withdrawable
= €20.00 for me

DarwinexZero €100,000 demo account and a Silver allocation of €30,000
1% profit at the end of the month from €30,000
15% payout
= €45.00 for me

Yes, great, that's €25 more profit (+125%) I would make with DarwinexZero, but I couldn't live on that either? I can buy myself a bottle of wine or a couple of beers with that, but that's it. Even with a 100k permanent allocation that I were to purchase on top, I still wouldn't be able to live off it financially. That would be a drop in the ocean.

Quoting OutThere
Now watch pipmaster come in and say how wonderfully great Darwinex is.
Well, he either has too much time and money, or he's simply still very optimistic about Darwinex and how he can achieve his goals in time. He also seems to have a regular paid job and doesn't HAVE to be able to live off his trading results, let alone build a pension. I mean, I'm happy for everyone, but I don't currently see how I'm supposed to achieve that with Darwinex.
  • #1,063
  • Sep 3, 2025 12:50pm Sep 3, 2025 12:50pm
Quoting Noisy
The only good news I heard today about Darwinex is that once you reach Gold status, your DARWIN supposedly remains open to investors forever from that point on. I had assumed that if, for example, you reached Gold after 8 months and then slipped back to Silver in the 9th month because you no longer achieved the profitability required for Gold, you would be blocked from investors again. But thankfully, that is not the case. On the other hand, I wonder how long I will have to pay 38 euros a month to ever reach Gold status and be open to investors,...
KVL sophisticated?

Guy earned ZERO percent for 5 years.

Earn 2-3% per month and you will crush the SP500 and investors will be throwing money at you.

The problem isn't Darwinex, the structure, or the risk engine. The problem is that 99% of traders can't consistently make 2-3% per month

This narrative is tiresome.

Say hi to Trandy for me.

Cheers
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,064
  • Edited 1:19pm Sep 3, 2025 1:08pm | Edited 1:19pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} KVL sophisticated? Guy earned ZERO percent for 5 years. Earn 2-3% per month and you will crush the SP500 and investors will be throwing money at you. The problem isn't Darwinex, the structure, or the risk engine. The problem is that 99% of traders can't consistently make 2-3% per month This narrative is tiresome. Say hi to Trandy for me. Cheers
The guy behind KVL didn’t sound like a stupid person to me with a decent background in data science. So that’s why I brought up this example. Intelligence doesn’t mean a thing in trading.

Yes. A 2-3% monthly return is great but with Darwinex obviously doesn’t help it they fail to provide you with sufficient AuM in time. A 15% performance fee paid on such returns won’t get you anywhere with the amount of virtual allocations through silver/gold you can get right now.

If you see how many DARWIN‘s currently have > 10M or even just 1M AuM and how many years it took them it’s just not realistic to believe one could make life changing money with them to build a career on unless you’re willing to wait 5+ years to maybe/maybe not reach there.

Pipmaster I believe is using Darwinex for 1,5 years and probably still isn’t near making even 5k/month from his Darwin? I mean…
  • #1,065
  • Sep 3, 2025 1:44pm Sep 3, 2025 1:44pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} That's why I'm going with AxiSelect and FTMO. Darwinex is a yawn. I have 4 accounts. If one is super successful, that's all I'd keep. Now watch pipmaster come in and say how wonderfully great Darwinex is.
Yep, I'll be posting a $400+ payout here shortly.
  • #1,066
  • Sep 3, 2025 1:52pm Sep 3, 2025 1:52pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} That's why I'm going with AxiSelect and FTMO. Darwinex is a yawn. I have 4 accounts. If one is super successful, that's all I'd keep. Now watch pipmaster come in and say how wonderfully great Darwinex is.
Before you purchase FTMO, go through the FTMO Academy.... a bunch of lessons and a final exam, pass and you get 20% off. Takes like 60-90 minutes, but saves $250 on a 200K.
  • #1,067
  • Sep 3, 2025 2:44pm Sep 3, 2025 2:44pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Before you purchase FTMO, go through the FTMO Academy.... a bunch of lessons and a final exam, pass and you get 20% off. Takes like 60-90 minutes, but saves $250 on a 200K.
Yes, why not. I’m currently forward testing my latest trading plan after I’ve made some changes to it and hopefully it will all work out then.
  • #1,068
  • Sep 3, 2025 3:45pm Sep 3, 2025 3:45pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} The guy behind KVL didn’t sound like a stupid person to me with a decent background in data science. So that’s why I brought up this example. Intelligence doesn’t mean a thing in trading. Yes. A 2-3% monthly return is great but with Darwinex obviously doesn’t help it they fail to provide you with sufficient AuM in time. A 15% performance fee paid on such returns won’t get you anywhere with the amount of virtual allocations through silver/gold you can get right now. If you see how many DARWIN‘s currently have > 10M or even just 1M AuM and...
As usual TRANdy you are completely missing the point.

Try less blabbering and more reading/understanding.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #1,069
  • Sep 4, 2025 2:54am Sep 4, 2025 2:54am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Yes, why not. I’m currently forward testing my latest trading plan after I’ve made some changes to it and hopefully it will all work out then.
Better busy working on your systems than feeding the troll.
  • #1,070
  • Sep 5, 2025 8:04am Sep 5, 2025 8:04am
What do you consider an acceptable percentage of trading fees? I currently have a gross P&L of $62k on my Darwinexzero 100k account. Of that, I paid 1k in trading fees (1.61%). That seems quite high to me? With another broker, I paid 0.38% for the same trading history. So, about four times less...
  • #1,071
  • Sep 18, 2025 2:48pm Sep 18, 2025 2:48pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Before you purchase FTMO, go through the FTMO Academy.... a bunch of lessons and a final exam, pass and you get 20% off. Takes like 60-90 minutes, but saves $250 on a 200K.

Time, of threshold for your ask/ bid?
  • #1,072
  • Oct 3, 2025 3:43pm Oct 3, 2025 3:43pm
About correlation in Darwinexzero site:

Correlation If your DARWIN is excluded in a given month due to high correlation and has a rating above 75, it will be introduced a credit equivalent to the next monthly subscription. Thus, each monthly payment guarantees participation in an edition of DarwinIA, if your DARWIN does not participate, you will not be charged. This credit would be used to not pay for the next edition in which your DARWIN does participate*. *Note that if you restart your account, this credit would be used to reduce the cost of the restart.


So. according to text above, If I have 4 accounts in excluded correlation, and if some of them are higher than 75 rating, will I be able to use my permanent allocation without paying a monthly fee? If I am excluded because of correlation, what other things other than permanent allocation can I benefit from? If excluded - can I use my permanent allocation or other ways to get capital?lastly - I do not want my main account to be excluded. Can I chose make one of my accounts immune for exclusion and have other 3 accounts excluded? I want one of my accounts never excluded - but other 3 will be excluded.
  • #1,073
  • Oct 3, 2025 4:05pm Oct 3, 2025 4:05pm
Quoting deroty
About correlation in Darwinexzero site: Correlation If your DARWIN is excluded in a given month due to high correlation and has a rating above 75, it will be introduced a credit equivalent to the next monthly subscription. Thus, each monthly payment guarantees participation in an edition of DarwinIA, if your DARWIN does not participate, you will not be charged. This credit would be used to not pay for the next edition in which your DARWIN does participate*. *Note that if you restart your account, this credit would be used to reduce the cost of the...
I doubt anyone here has had multiple permanent allocation accounts that has had to deal with correlation exclusion.
Best is to ask their customer service your questions and let us know.
  • #1,074
  • Oct 3, 2025 9:04pm Oct 3, 2025 9:04pm
Quoting deroty
About correlation in Darwinexzero site: Correlation If your DARWIN is excluded in a given month due to high correlation and has a rating above 75, it will be introduced a credit equivalent to the next monthly subscription. Thus, each monthly payment guarantees participation in an edition of DarwinIA, if your DARWIN does not participate, you will not be charged. This credit would be used to not pay for the next edition in which your DARWIN does participate*. *Note that if you restart your account, this credit would be used to reduce the cost of the...
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hey deroty...... noticed your question on discord.....

you can not choose which darwin will or will not be excluded...... the highest ranking will stand and lower ranking will be excluded..... but only excluded from the monthly competition...... if you think about it that is only fair......

yes, if excluded you can still make the normal 15%...... this includes not only permanent allocations but also any booster......

if trading 4 or more accounts it will be difficult to avoid correlation..... to me that is immaterial....... mine run around .98 correlated.....

if buying boosters or permanent allocations, it seems best to stagger them....... in such a way as you can withdraw from something every week when you have the monthly payout ......

and you can purchase permanent allocations and boosters while being excluded...... all 3 of the girls got another 100k booster for 3 months today and might have made enough in performance fees already on it to cover half the cost.....

on discord someone was comparing 2 darwins by looking at the correlation tab...... it's best to look at the charts overlay.......

it would take 6 million in funding to approximate a personal account..... not sure i really want the responsibility of trading investors money.......

scripts below will calculate the performance fees........h

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to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #1,075
  • Oct 3, 2025 9:27pm Oct 3, 2025 9:27pm
Quoting OutThere
correlation exclusion..
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survival of the fittest.....

hard to believe but this one is excluded...... cause it's not the best.....

still pays good.....h
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  • #1,076
  • Oct 3, 2025 9:31pm Oct 3, 2025 9:31pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ survival of the fittest..... hard to believe but this one is excluded...... cause it's not the best..... still pays good.....h //------ {image}
Wow hayseed..welcome back.
  • #1,077
  • Oct 3, 2025 9:58pm Oct 3, 2025 9:58pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------ survival of the fittest..... hard to believe but this one is excluded...... cause it's not the best..... still pays good.....h //------ {image}
Is it excluded because it is correlating with a random Darwin or with one of your own?
  • #1,078
  • Oct 3, 2025 11:09pm Oct 3, 2025 11:09pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Is it excluded because it is correlating with a random Darwin or with one of your own?
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nope...... not a random...... a relative....... or more to the point, correlated relatives......

dang rug rats....... all 3 can out trade me......h
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  • #1,079
  • Oct 3, 2025 11:16pm Oct 3, 2025 11:16pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- nope...... not a random...... a relative....... or more to the point, correlated relatives...... dang rug rats....... all 3 can out trade me......h //----- {image} {image} {image}
The players usually score more than the coaches.
  • #1,080
  • Oct 4, 2025 6:33am Oct 4, 2025 6:33am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- hey deroty...... noticed your question on discord..... you can not choose which darwin will or will not be excluded...... the highest ranking will stand and lower ranking will be excluded..... but only excluded from the monthly competition...... if you think about it that is only fair...... yes, if excluded you can still make the normal 15%...... this includes not only permanent allocations but also any booster...... if trading 4 or more accounts it will be difficult to avoid correlation..... to me that is immaterial....... mine...

Hi Hayseed.

Thank you taking me serious and answering.

You mention "you can still make the normal %15" while in correlation. I guess I will benefit from permanent allocation and performance boosters. Are there anything other than performance boosters and permanent allocation - like any additional capital that I can benefit from?

Other than this - I am sure that I will pass the 75 rating. Do you advise me to use only one account and expect a million capital? Or 4 accounts - all of them having permanent allocation - and have 400K? Do you advise me 1 account and expect a large capital (is the chance high) or I should have 400K with 4 correlated excluded accounts - with permanent allocation - guaranteed. I will pay monthly around 250 USD and will get 400K.

Thank you!...
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