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  • #41
  • Aug 13, 2025 1:14am Aug 13, 2025 1:14am
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Driven If you learned to trade with Volume profile correctly, you would learn the most important trade on the chart would be from Low Volume node to point of control. This is a trade from true resistance zone to areas of either high distribution zones or accumulation zones. Its the trade against the big players because they can’t trade against you here ever. Now add a VWAP indicator as well and you have four more simple setups. 1. Low Volume Mode to POC 2. Breakout on price discovery from value area band. 3. Fade price discovery value...
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  • #42
  • Edited 7:03am Aug 13, 2025 6:16am | Edited 7:03am
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Driven If you learned to trade with Volume profile correctly, you would learn the most important trade on the chart would be from Low Volume node to point of control. This is a trade from true resistance zone to areas of either high distribution zones or accumulation zones. Its the trade against the big players because they can’t trade against you here ever. Now add a VWAP indicator as well and you have four more simple setups. 1. Low Volume Mode to POC 2. Breakout on price discovery from value area band. 3. Fade price discovery value...
Hi buddy RickM, and I say it again, No, Not Volume. Meaningless. Momentum of PA (volume less) is where its at.

Yesterday it was this bar momentum confirmation on Dow Futures 5 Min TF. +160 points.

P.S you will never be annoying volume guy to me.
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  • #43
  • Aug 13, 2025 8:57am Aug 13, 2025 8:57am
Quoting vidvad
I am abut as clueless when it comes to market profile as one could be. It just never seemed to catch my interest. I loaded the Ninjatrader "Order Flow Volume Profile" onto a chart of the 6E (EURUSD futures). I don't trade this instrument currently. One thing that did cath my eye is that the 6e oftyen moves from the level of the "value area high" to the "value area low" or vice versa during the NY session. This screen grab is just today's trade, starting at 6PM NYC last night when Globex re-opens for the day and through tonight's 5 PM NYC close....
Answered my own question by observing today. Still on vacation so not trading. The value area repaints throughout the session, so for me it would be too nerve wracking to incorporate. I'll still to the tried and true previous daily and weekly closes, highs, and lows.

Good stuff, Blue.
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  • #44
  • Aug 13, 2025 10:08am Aug 13, 2025 10:08am
Quoting vidvad
{quote} Answered my own question by observing today. Still on vacation so not trading. The value area repaints throughout the session, so for me it would be too nerve wracking to incorporate. I'll still to the tried and true previous daily and weekly closes, highs, and lows. Good stuff, Blue.
Hey VidVad

Yes and No actually,,, depending on the settings of your Volume profile it will keep on moving. If I can explain a little

Premise this with the title of my thread and the axiom Timings Levels Behaviour of Price.

Vol Profile has several types or settings depending on platform and with all numerous ways to use them.
Some traders like to use a "Fixed" range other a developing and combinations of both..
Actually quite simple..

Back to the thread title and just the LEVELS part.

My Vol Profile levels are FIXED...they dont move one tick(unless I want them too)...and I should say as well VWAP is "more or less" fixed
and like daily levels such as opens closes highs and lows..

Vol profile and VWAP no matter what timeframe, no matter a range chart , renko, tick charts the Vol Profile and Vwap remain the same.
Unlike say Moving Averages...Some will say that VWAP is just a moving average and that is so incorrect...It's far from it.

Back to Vol Profile.

My Volume profile is a Fixed Range. Globex open to Equity Open or Oil or GOld Open...So with Gold it is only using 6pm-820 as Data.
The levels stay fixed and that is what I use... I will save developing VWAPS for later ..

So my Vol Profile 6-820 Gold...

A little further explanation... With Fixed Vol PRofile levels...I am looking at wheres fair value in relation to price..Above/Below=Price discovery
In range is fair value...and when in range between VAH VAL when price is above VWAP but below VAH is Bullish and the opposite for VAL

But a pic is worth a thousand words

Rusty Russell an excellent example yesterday ?? Brains a bit foggy today... anyways...
Rusty 15m orb first yellow highlight Price closes OUTSIDE 15 m ORH and ABOVE 1sd VWAP
and Above vol profile VAH. Price is breaking into discovery..seeking fair value..

Second yellow box. Price comes back and tests 1SD..Price is IN discovery. Price is IMBALANCED

So in a nutshell,,,basics...that is how I used Fixed VP levels in conjunction with VWAP..

I hope this clears things up a little...and a gold chart or two and Oil...Just showing the Fixed VP Levels
that remain static.

OH and lastly...I love PA and structure... Bare Bones...StevePatt does an excellent job on reading structure..

BUT BUT,,,,what leads price ????

It's VOLUME
Volume is the fundamental engine of price movement. Without transactions (volume), price cannot change.
Leave it at that for those that do not understand,,, and when one does not understand something they tend to poo poo it lol...
but of course they say they understand lol..but we know

Cheers !


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And who doesnt like Gold ticking off the Open !

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and Oil
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  • #45
  • Aug 13, 2025 4:53pm Aug 13, 2025 4:53pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Hey VidVad Yes and No actually,,, depending on the settings of your Volume profile it will keep on moving. If I can explain a little Premise this with the title of my thread and the axiom Timings Levels Behaviour of Price. Vol Profile has several types or settings depending on platform and with all numerous ways to use them. Some traders like to use a "Fixed" range other a developing and combinations of both.. Actually quite simple.. Back to the thread title and just the LEVELS part. My Vol Profile levels are FIXED...they...
Hi Blue

Best charts I have seen on Forex Factory for years - magic stuff there.

I have been studying trader Lance Breitstein's work for years and in particular his work on developing Tape Reading skills with Volume on Equity markets.
He claims that without his skills of reading Volume on the Tape, he would have never have made the millions of dollars he has now earned as a trader during his professional career. Importantly he stresses that there is only a trading edge using Volume on financial markets if you based your decision to trade a signal using volume from an important level.

No strong levels = No Volume trading signals available EVER.

Just to mention for any traders who like the work from Lance, he has been included in the the latest Market Wizard book by Jack Schwager (apparently he is still writing lol) which is currently now in production.

Lastly - What Leads Price, its bloody Volume.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #46
  • Edited 7:06pm Aug 13, 2025 5:20pm | Edited 7:06pm
I am noticing some less love(hate? in here) for purists like me - Just pure PA action. Here are my last 3 trades scalping Dow Futures 5 Min TF today.

No Volume, No Indicators...pure PA action with statically significant MM and with controlling MindFuck (Fear and Greed) for +156 points. These are my charts.
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  • #47
  • Aug 13, 2025 10:36pm Aug 13, 2025 10:36pm
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Hey VidVad Yes and No actually,,, depending on the settings of your Volume profile it will keep on moving. If I can explain a little Premise this with the title of my thread and the axiom Timings Levels Behaviour of Price. Vol Profile has several types or settings depending on platform and with all numerous ways to use them. Some traders like to use a "Fixed" range other a developing and combinations of both.. Actually quite simple.. Back to the thread title and just the LEVELS part. My Vol Profile levels are FIXED...they...
Yep, understood all that Kevin…
  • #48
  • Aug 13, 2025 11:00pm Aug 13, 2025 11:00pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Yep, understood all that Kevin…


Sometimes I get ahead of myself lol.... I intend on clearing some things up sooon !
Report on your desk by 5pm Sir !
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  • #49
  • Aug 14, 2025 3:10am Aug 14, 2025 3:10am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Hey VidVad Yes and No actually,,, depending on the settings of your Volume profile it will keep on moving. If I can explain a little Premise this with the title of my thread and the axiom Timings Levels Behaviour of Price. Vol Profile has several types or settings depending on platform and with all numerous ways to use them. Some traders like to use a "Fixed" range other a developing and combinations of both.. Actually quite simple.. Back to the thread title and just the LEVELS part. My Vol Profile levels are FIXED...they...
Superb thread Blue.
Narrative/context is the most important aspect of trading. Frameworks laid out here is great a way of deriving context.
I was introduce to this sorts with Merrit Black. LVN to HVN/vice versa that's all there is to it.
Again everything boil down to support/resistance.
What amaze me is the fractal nature of the price even on 2 tick range charts.
I agree with Driven as I prefer naked charts once I started to believe price is everything I can't have indies on charts other then horizontal lines.


Btw, Gold slides towards lows @LO
on a postive roll...
  • #50
  • Aug 14, 2025 3:24am Aug 14, 2025 3:24am
Quoting driven18
I am noticing some less love(hate? in here) for purists like me - Just pure PA action. Here are my last 3 trades scalping Dow Futures 5 Min TF today. No Volume, No Indicators...pure PA action with statically significant MM and with controlling MindFuck (Fear and Greed) for +156 points. These are my charts. {image}
Naked price is the way for me
( cos I am a bit thick)
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #51
  • Aug 14, 2025 3:41am Aug 14, 2025 3:41am
Quoting turnip15
{quote} Naked price is the way for me ( cos I am a bit thick)
I am the same, keep it simple ..........

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  • #52
  • Aug 14, 2025 5:14am Aug 14, 2025 5:14am
One of the Good Guys here at Forex Factory


Islandfx911 replied 20 min ago
  • #53
  • Aug 14, 2025 6:22am Aug 14, 2025 6:22am
Quoting bluesteele
And now back to my GBP JPY roots since this is "Forex" Factory.... LEVELS 00 25 50 75 00 How does PRICE BEHAVE at these LEVELS at TIMING ??? Man o' Man Can it be this Simple ? The Charts never cease to AMAZE me ! {image} {image}
Sorry
I didn't get how are you using vwap, volume profile etc.... on Forex as it's not a centralised market and no real volume exist?
Curious how you determine these levels and time in FX.
Thanks
  • #54
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:18am Aug 14, 2025 7:18am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Sorry I didn't get how are you using vwap, volume profile etc.... on Forex as it's not a centralised market and no real volume exist? Curious how you determine these levels and time in FX. Thanks
Hi Merka

Many people - in fact most people are viser than me in this area. But your question is interesting. Can we trust a volume indicator? If not, then how can we trust a Moving Average if the data is to sparse?

Question is: How many trades is executed at say one second at the prokers platform?
Will that be enough volume to act as traders? Or do we need a global volume?

Einstein theory of relativity (part 1):

  1. The laws of physics are the same for all observers in any inertial frame of reference relative to one another (principle of relativity).

I would think that this is what we have. We are all in the same frame. The volume that we have is what we can act on. The volume in other frames does not affect us.

I would like to know the amount of trades per time unit for some brokers in order to have some background for a discussion. Does anybody have any data?

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  • #55
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:26am Aug 14, 2025 7:26am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Sorry I didn't get how are you using vwap, volume profile etc.... on Forex as it's not a centralised market and no real volume exist? Curious how you determine these levels and time in FX. Thanks
Well, if you look at the charts of GBP/JPY, formerly known as "The Dragon" a lifetime or so ago, he doesn't use volume profile or VWAP. He specifically states "Timings, Levels, Behavior of Price" and he specifically highlights 00, 25, 75, and the next 00 as the levels of interest.

I don't see how you could have missed this as you quoted the post itself. Did you not look at the attached charts?

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No offense, but it seems like you're reading to react rather than reading to learn and communicate. Some posts are better left unposted.

Good stuff, Blue, as always.
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  • #56
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:32am Aug 14, 2025 7:32am
Quoting RiskFighter
{quote} Does anybody have any data?
My 10cents.

Moving average is based on price not volume, price is the same (pretty much) across all brokers.
Volume data on your chart comes from your broker so reflects the volume if their clients or the data feed they get and provide. For me this doesn't meant volume indi's are useless just a not a precise figure.
I use trading view where you can chose your data feed/broker on any instrument. IC markets generally have the highest number of clients so my theory is an indi on their data feed will show max data available to me but not total volume.
Is it big enough to be representational?.dont know.... but seems to work for me.
Its all just one persons opinion
  • #57
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:33am Aug 14, 2025 7:33am
I found this:
The top forex brokers by trading volume in 2025 include IC Markets, XM, and Saxo Bank, with IC Markets leading the way with an average daily transaction volume of $18.9 billion.

I guess that would be enough volume to trust the indicators.

Am I wrong?
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  • #58
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:35am Aug 14, 2025 7:35am
Quoting axecap
{quote} My 10cents. Moving average is based on price not volume, price is the same (pretty much) across all brokers. Volume data on your chart comes from your broker so reflects the volume if their clients or the data feed they get and provide. For me this doesn't meant volume indi's are useless just a not a precise figure. I use trading view where you can chose your data feed/broker on any instrument. IC markets generally have the highest number of clients so my theory is an indi on their data feed will show max data available to me but not total...
But if you do not have volume, then you cannot trust price.
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  • #59
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:38am Aug 14, 2025 7:38am
Quoting RiskFighter
{quote} But if you do not have volume, then you cannot trust price.
no , don't think that is correct, price is agreed/manipulated/ whatever.....has to be and you can see it is. the 100 day MA is the same across all brokers
Its all just one persons opinion
  • #60
  • Aug 14, 2025 7:41am Aug 14, 2025 7:41am
Quoting axecap
{quote} no , don't think that is correct, price is agreed/manipulated/ whatever.....has to be and you can see it is. the 100 day MA is the same across all brokers
take a volume indicator and its clearly different,
Its all just one persons opinion
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