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  • #141
  • Aug 4, 2007 4:41pm Aug 4, 2007 4:41pm
Quoting zunk
Ok. That's what I kind of tought when I studied it a little bit deeper..

Since WHTenn is posting 'false' results (or at least results that has nothing to do with the method he describes) the moderators should step in and atleast remove his false statements..

So no one else gets tricked. Can someone PM a moderator, I don't know who *noob*

Thanks guys!

I don't see why it is necessary to post inflammatory remarks. Here are the results I posted earlier.

George
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  • #142
  • Aug 4, 2007 5:36pm Aug 4, 2007 5:36pm
Quoting WHTenn
I don't see why it is necessary to post inflammatory remarks. Here are the results I posted earlier.

George
Your Statement is really AWESOME!
BUT, The trades you've taken has nothing to do with the system that either Steinitz or you describes so it's totally IRRELEVANT!




Now please come clean this thread up moderators (I will admit I've forgotten the rules but giving false statements like this must be against them right?) or answer my simple questions WHTenn. Easy As Pie
  • #143
  • Aug 5, 2007 2:56am Aug 5, 2007 2:56am
WhTenn, am I right in saying that you do not use the EA, but as professional trader (I assume loads of experience) make use of experience and judgement calls (hence your 12 pip tp)? Hence also the issue of 'results... nothing to do with HAS'?
I understand that you are using the HAS system, but perhaps 'non-religiously'? If so, do you sometimes not take a trade although HAS gives a signal, because your experience tells you not to?
  • #144
  • Edited 4:20am Aug 5, 2007 4:09am | Edited 4:20am
WHTenn, do you have a problem in answering the questions posted by Zunk?
  • #145
  • Aug 5, 2007 4:29am Aug 5, 2007 4:29am
Quoting zunk
Your Statement is really AWESOME!
BUT, The trades you've taken has nothing to do with the system that either Steinitz or you describes so it's totally IRRELEVANT!




Now please come clean this thread up moderators (I will admit I've forgotten the rules but giving false statements like this must be against them right?) or answer my simple questions WHTenn. Easy As Pie
Hello zunk,
Out of curiosity how can you tell it's not from the ea? I use the ea but I have IBFX and I trade alot of the pairs as whtenn does and most of my closed trades for that day are just very few pips away from when his entered and exit almost looks like a mirror image. Must be one heck of a coincident. Many pips to all, happy trading....
  • #146
  • Aug 5, 2007 5:38am Aug 5, 2007 5:38am
Quoting amaruenterprise
Hello zunk,
Out of curiosity how can you tell it's not from the ea? I use the ea but I have IBFX and I trade alot of the pairs as whtenn does and most of my closed trades for that day are just very few pips away from when his entered and exit almost looks like a mirror image. Must be one heck of a coincident. Many pips to all, happy trading....

I've no idea if the trades are from the EA, they may very well be. BUT the thing here is that WHTenn is describing the method he uses and then backs it up with a statement that has nothing (as far as I can see) to do with the method. That's the problem.

It don't take a genius to understand that what WHTenn really want here is for steinitz to sell his EA. He describes a method he doesn't use and then posts statements that to an unobserving eye seems marvelous but with detailed studies comes down to BS. He posts in other threads that he's got a great system he wants to share if they PM him (I did, I got some GREAT HAS Method documents I don't really grasp fully (that's why I came here in the first place) and a recommendation to buy the great EA from steinitz) and he admits here that he's using the EA. So why do all this above = Sell steinitz EA.

1. WHTenn come clean and tell us about the EA and it's greatness instead of trying to drag noobs (like myself) into a hell trying to figure out the HAS method and then out of frustration and lack of progress into buying the EA under false premises. Stop pretending you're using this to trade manually and come clean!!

or

2. Explain the answers to the questions I've asked and maybe try to restate your descriptions of the HAS method.

or

3. Ignore me and hopefullt await actions by the moderators.
  • #147
  • Aug 5, 2007 5:54am Aug 5, 2007 5:54am
Zunk you may have already done so; I don't know but go to this link and it may answer alot of questions you have. The thread is massive so if you can't find what your looking for you can always ask and someone usually answers. Just trying to help. Have a good one and have a great week of trading....

http://www.forex-tsd.com/commercial-...tml#post116430
  • #148
  • Aug 5, 2007 6:19am Aug 5, 2007 6:19am
I've been there and I've done some reading. My main concern) right now is WHTenn's 'lies' thou. (OT: can you use the word "thou" like that? I guess I either spell it wrong or missuse it. Someone care to help me? )


The EA is probably superB but that's not the thing here anymore. It's WHTenn's behaviour.

He's trying to promote a system and secondly an EA and his target audience are newbies like me. He describes the method to use very vague and backs it up with statements from the EA whose trades are very very far off his descriptions of the method. When somebody tries his method out and fails desperatly; what would one do? You contact WHTenn for more help (I did). He then responds with the recommendation to buy the EA. What would one do now? Give up or give in. Those who give in may get a state of the art money making EA, I don't know. BUT I do know that if WHTenn was a company and used his methods in my country he would be fined pretty severly by now..
  • #149
  • Aug 5, 2007 6:38am Aug 5, 2007 6:38am
Zunk check this out. It is a really good manual system if the MTF HAS is not working for you. ge is back and the randy candles are better than ever. I use this method as well and can be very profitable....

http://www.forex-tsd.com/suggestions...tml#post118848
  • #150
  • Aug 5, 2007 7:06am Aug 5, 2007 7:06am
http://www.forex-tsd.com/suggestions...eled-here.html
  • #151
  • Aug 5, 2007 8:33am Aug 5, 2007 8:33am
Zunk thanks for that link. Its very informative. I think everone should have a read throuigh.



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  • #152
  • Aug 5, 2007 8:58am Aug 5, 2007 8:58am
As with any method of trading there are no 2 traders that trade the same there are tons of different ways. If you see something that you think maybe for you then try it to see if it works for you; if not then try something else until you find what your looking for. Not everything is for everybody if it were we would all be rich. Just keep in mind there are no secret formulas or holygrails it all depends upon you and because I can make money the way I trade does not mean you can by doing the exact same thing. Do your due dilegence and find out what works for you. I personally would move on if something don't work for me, why stick around and lose money. But why bash a system that works for some but maybe not for you it don't neceserily mean it is a sham. Just thinking outloud......
  • #153
  • Aug 5, 2007 9:43am Aug 5, 2007 9:43am
Quoting amaruenterprise
because I can make money the way I trade does not mean you can by doing the exact same thing.
I have heard this said many times, thought about it a lot, and still do not understand. If two people do 'exactly the same thing', surely the results must be the same (or at least very, very similar, caused by line speeds, etc)? But if they use the same broker, the same EA, the same currency pairs, etc, the results must be very, very similar?
  • #154
  • Aug 5, 2007 9:56am Aug 5, 2007 9:56am
Quoting gifog
I have heard this said many times, thought about it a lot, and still do not understand. If two people do 'exactly the same thing', surely the results must be the same (or at least very, very similar, caused by line speeds, etc)? But if they use the same broker, the same EA, the same currency pairs, etc, the results must be very, very similar?
I apologize, I should have made myself clear. I was refering to manual trading. As far as the ea goes I would think if everything is the same; same settings, same pairs, same broker, there shouldn't be that much variance between the 2 or one wouldn't think so but I'm not an authority on expert advisors so I couldn't honestly say for sure. But I would suggest if anyone maybe thinking of this ea manual trade the system first of all to get a feel for how it works that way if you do decide to go with it you will know how it works that way you can experiment with different settings. If it isn't acceptable to you manual trading then the odds are it will not work for you with an ea....
  • #155
  • Edited 11:18am Aug 5, 2007 10:57am | Edited 11:18am
Quoting amaruenterprise
As with any method of trading there are no 2 traders that trade the same there are tons of different ways. If you see something that you think maybe for you then try it to see if it works for you; if not then try something else until you find what your looking for. Not everything is for everybody if it were we would all be rich. Just keep in mind there are no secret formulas or holygrails it all depends upon you and because I can make money the way I trade does not mean you can by doing the exact same thing. Do your due dilegence and find out what works for you. I personally would move on if something don't work for me, why stick around and lose money. But why bash a system that works for some but maybe not for you it don't neceserily mean it is a sham. Just thinking outloud......

You're so true. BUT does that make it legit for me to post my make-believe method (as far as I can tell acording to what has been provided here on forexfactory.com), fabricate my statement, post 'my' (not exactly in this case) EA and then just post what you just did if people questioned me?

I think not.


EDIT: Minor edit
  • #156
  • Aug 5, 2007 12:21pm Aug 5, 2007 12:21pm
Quoting zunk
You're so true. BUT does that make it legit for me to post my make-believe method (as far as I can tell acording to what has been provided here on forexfactory.com), fabricate my statement, post 'my' (not exactly in this case) EA and then just post what you just did if people questioned me?

I think not.


EDIT: Minor edit
Zunk get me up to speed here help me to understand. Why do you think that George posted a fake statement? Why do you feel it is make believe? I personally feel George wouldn't do that. He is a professional and as far as I know conducts himself in that manner. If you could help me to understand...Thanks...
  • #157
  • Aug 5, 2007 4:45pm Aug 5, 2007 4:45pm
Quoting amaruenterprise
Zunk get me up to speed here help me to understand. Why do you think that George posted a fake statement? Why do you feel it is make believe? I personally feel George wouldn't do that. He is a professional and as far as I know conducts himself in that manner. If you could help me to understand...Thanks...
If he is a professional he would answer my questions or atleast tell me to mind my own business (which maybe would make him less of a professional but still a pro (assuming he is one)) but just ignoring me makes him kind of a non pro and in my eyes just a spammer (atleast within this thread, he may be a great contributioner elsewhere. I don't know.).

Maybe I didn't use the right wording when I said the statment is fake. It's probably a legit statement, it might even have been trades taken by WHTenn manually in agreement with his appreciation of the method he tries, but fails to explain to us. It might be the EA doing the trades (which he somewhat states later on that it is), I don't know. But what I do know is that upon studying the trades he took in that statement (I use the same broker and has confirmed with WHTenn I used the same gmt time) and by comparing them to the method he (and steinitz) has describeb several times, within this thread it just doesn't make sense. Please study my screenshots I provided and explain to me why you (which you said) took that trade also? Your probably also using the EA, so let me refine that question; why did your EA make that trade?

Four things can happen here:

1. You know why. I applaud you. Now explain to us dumb people how that trade fits in the previously described method descriptions (by steinitz or by WHTenn - IN THIS THREAD AT FF)

2. You know why but it has nothing to do with the method you guys are preaching in which case you've just shoot yourself in the foot.

3. You don't know why and come to the conclusion that the EA rocks anyway. Fine. But please tell that to your friend and maybe get this thread closed/cleaned and start a new one about the EA instead. (please also see above)

4. You ignorantly keep on trucking. See you in a couple of posts
  • #158
  • Aug 5, 2007 5:08pm Aug 5, 2007 5:08pm
Quoting zunk
If he is a professional he would answer my questions or atleast tell me to mind my own business (which maybe would make him less of a professional but still a pro (assuming he is one)) but just ignoring me makes him kind of a non pro and in my eyes just a spammer (atleast within this thread, he may be a great contributioner elsewhere. I don't know.).

Maybe I didn't use the right wording when I said the statment is fake. It's probably a legit statement, it might even have been trades taken by WHTenn manually in agreement with his appreciation of the method he tries, but fails to explain to us. It might be the EA doing the trades (which he somewhat states later on that it is), I don't know. But what I do know is that upon studying the trades he took in that statement (I use the same broker and has confirmed with WHTenn I used the same gmt time) and by comparing them to the method he (and steinitz) has describeb several times, within this thread it just doesn't make sense. Please study my screenshots I provided and explain to me why you (which you said) took that trade also? Your probably also using the EA, so let me refine that question; why did your EA make that trade?

Four things can happen here:

1. You know why. I applaud you. Now explain to us dumb people how that trade fits in the previously described method descriptions (by steinitz or by WHTenn - IN THIS THREAD AT FF)

2. You know why but it has nothing to do with the method you guys are preaching in which case you've just shoot yourself in the foot.

3. You don't know why and come to the conclusion that the EA rocks anyway. Fine. But please tell that to your friend and maybe get this thread closed/cleaned and start a new one about the EA instead. (please also see above)

4. You ignorantly keep on trucking. See you in a couple of posts
I'm not preaching this method it just works for me but I also use other methods as well. I'm not ignoring you but I'm on my laptop and as soon as I get home I will look at your charts and explain what I know. I'm in eastern time zone in the states so give me a few hours.....
  • #159
  • Aug 5, 2007 11:21pm Aug 5, 2007 11:21pm
Quoting zunk
If he is a professional he would answer my questions or atleast tell me to mind my own business (which maybe would make him less of a professional but still a pro (assuming he is one)) but just ignoring me makes him kind of a non pro and in my eyes just a spammer (atleast within this thread, he may be a great contributioner elsewhere. I don't know.).

Maybe I didn't use the right wording when I said the statment is fake. It's probably a legit statement, it might even have been trades taken by WHTenn manually in agreement with his appreciation of the method he tries, but fails to explain to us. It might be the EA doing the trades (which he somewhat states later on that it is), I don't know. But what I do know is that upon studying the trades he took in that statement (I use the same broker and has confirmed with WHTenn I used the same gmt time) and by comparing them to the method he (and steinitz) has describeb several times, within this thread it just doesn't make sense. Please study my screenshots I provided and explain to me why you (which you said) took that trade also? Your probably also using the EA, so let me refine that question; why did your EA make that trade?

Four things can happen here:

1. You know why. I applaud you. Now explain to us dumb people how that trade fits in the previously described method descriptions (by steinitz or by WHTenn - IN THIS THREAD AT FF)

2. You know why but it has nothing to do with the method you guys are preaching in which case you've just shoot yourself in the foot.

3. You don't know why and come to the conclusion that the EA rocks anyway. Fine. But please tell that to your friend and maybe get this thread closed/cleaned and start a new one about the EA instead. (please also see above)

4. You ignorantly keep on trucking. See you in a couple of posts
Dear zunk,

I really have no idea where all this hostility comes from? I have no idea what set you off. I have posted my statements that are purely derived from the steinitz EA. The only thing I've done is covered up my lot size and my profits since that is nobody's business.

I do admit that I trade larger than most people on these forums but that should make no difference on if you believe me or not in respect to my statements that I post.

I have no affiliation with Don what so ever, I just have a lot of respect for what he has accomplished so far and what he is trying to do for the future of the EA. I have only admiration for his skill set and drive to see this project through.

I have many traders sending me a private message asking for my advice that I answer every day. The best of luck to you!

George
  • #160
  • Aug 6, 2007 8:36am Aug 6, 2007 8:36am
Quoting amaruenterprise
I'm not preaching this method it just works for me but I also use other methods as well. I'm not ignoring you but I'm on my laptop and as soon as I get home I will look at your charts and explain what I know. I'm in eastern time zone in the states so give me a few hours.....
Ok, im sorry for saying that. I would be very glad if you could do that. Because I can't honestly see how the descriptions fits in to those trades. I think I know the answer thou (this 'thou' word again. Can it, or can it not be used like this? Is it even a word?) the trades are done with the EA who has changed to much from the system it derives from (HAS method. The method whose documents WHTenn pm's to people and thats described in this thread).


All I really want from this discussion is to stop WHTenn from posting statements (or posts like "Gosh, I make so many pips with this system") and not telling everybody from what method the statement is based upon. Becasue right now he's PM'ng people the original HAS method, he, with his own words, describes his inpretation of the original HAS method in this thread. Based on the above one must be some kind of psychic/clairvoyance (can't find the right word. But you probably understands) to understand that the statement and his praises of the system is based upon the use of the EA and not the actual method he describes and PM's to people.

Can't you see what I think is wrong here? Be honest and don't trick people into buying the EA (I'm not blaming you of this). Tell us the EA rocks, show us statments of how the EA has performed. etc. etc. FINE! please, be my guest (if it's not against the rules) but don't trick us..

By the way, this thread was about (as far as I know) the original manual HAS method. Why post those praises about the EA when the thread is not even about it..? (I think one can praise other versions of the method, but to be just one should be very clear about what version it's that's being praised)

Quoting WHTenn
Dear zunk,

I really have no idea where all this hostility comes from? I have no idea what set you off. I have posted my statements that are purely derived from the steinitz EA. The only thing I've done is covered up my lot size and my profits since that is nobody's business.

I do admit that I trade larger than most people on these forums but that should make no difference on if you believe me or not in respect to my statements that I post.

I have no affiliation with Don what so ever, I just have a lot of respect for what he has accomplished so far and what he is trying to do for the future of the EA. I have only admiration for his skill set and drive to see this project through.

I have many traders sending me a private message asking for my advice that I answer every day. The best of luck to you!

George
Dear George,

I'm sorry for being hostile. It wasn't my purpose, honestly. A tad angry maybe.

About the statement. I think it's right and sane to cover up the lot size and money gained/lost. The only thing somebody else needs to know about others trades (if they should know anything it all) are SELL/BUY, enter, exit, tp, sl. And that's exactly what you've done. Very Good!

You may not be affiliated with Don. But to me it kind of seems like that (even thou (again) you probably aren't). You repeatedly ignore my perfectly legit (I think) questions. You post statements and praises that's based upon the EA (and not telling everybody it is) and you post a useless pic of the trade you made (to me the pic said absolutely nothing. Help?). This is all perfect if you tell us that it's the EA you're using and not the manual system.

To "trick" people into trying out a system you self cannot explain (obviously) and send out documents you self cannot answer even the simplest question from. That's what makes me angry.

Think about it. I start a thread, I tell you to buy when EMA 8 crosses SMA 2 UP. After a couple of posts I post a statement la' pips galore, and some meaningless pics. After that I repeat what has already been said "Buy when EMA, crosses SMA. simple" to people with questions. A couple of days later HARD PROOFS are put up in the thread that the statements Ive posted CAN'T have anything to do with the method i preach and praise in multiple posts. I then admits that it's my EA that everybody here can obtain from another forum for $50 that's been used.

Please tell me you understand from where my anger has arised....
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