White House considers slashing China tariffs to de-escalate trade war

Look at how the last 3 days have played out :

Monday : Sell off 3% on the Powell rumour

Tuesday : Markets start to recover - until the tweets denying any Powell sacking and the Bessent leak to JPM behind closed doors . Markets go into squeeze mode plus 3% . Close of markets , then we hear that tariffs are considered being rolled back . Up another 2% after close .

Wednesday: Markets still squeezing the shorts until open , then just prior to a dismal PMI release we have this announcement .

This is all pure coincidence of course .

Apr 23, 2025 9:29am

Quoting AaronWard

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{quote} 1. Imposition of tariffs on the world 2. No overt retaliation except China 3. Acceptance of the Tariffs within the us (now we are reacting to the relative amount of tariff rather than their existence). 4. Confirmation that the ongoing campaign of misinformation and confusion can be used to trigger and control the market. 5. Feeding the base 6. De facto control over US enterprises via the threat and reality of increases and carve-outs 7. A significant decline in the power of the existing global trading order 8. A 10% depreciation in the us...

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Throughout this entire process all I have been thinking about is the story Dave Chappelle shared in one of his Netflix specials about a book written by Iceberg Slim. We keep getting yanked around, but in the end, some easing comes and we will all breath a sigh of relief and forget it ever happened because we are so glad it's over.

jordanvic

Apr 23, 2025 8:41am

The world can live without America but America cannot live without the world.

Trader#9B1A

Apr 23, 2025 8:39am

haha, pussy

Apr 23, 2025 9:06am

Quoting AaronWard

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I think it is worth noting that despite the seeming chaos many of the Trump goals are being realized. I dont say this because I support trump but because as a trader I need to have some perspective on the future.

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What goals, for instance?

Apr 23, 2025 8:47am

Quoting TimmyBTrades

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Now to see if the whole report gets refuted by the White House in a couple hours lol

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someone is making a lot of money with the flip flops trump is doing, it's almost deliberate, almost like insider trading... i wonder.

Banditten

Apr 23, 2025 8:44am

They are a brunch of liars. They are not doing it to de-escalate but to save the economy. They thought China and the rest of the world would fold but instead the Trump bluff was called and he looks like what he is: a major loser, crook and liar. No deal in sight

Vancarbon

Apr 23, 2025 8:44am

Note the timing of the release .

Game playing the markets as usual

Apr 23, 2025 8:43am

Quoting Apogee1

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Luckily i was in a buy

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Only took 2 minutes to retrace 60%.

Good to know we continue to move an entire day's worth of move in a 15 VIX environment every minute or so. Cause that's healthy

Nordling

Apr 23, 2025 9:27am

LOL just before a major PMI release, market manipulation at its best...

W0lfram

Apr 23, 2025 8:56am

Can't wait for our local narrative janitors - "every U-turn is a win"

NotAtrader

Apr 23, 2025 9:09am

Trump to Zelenski: You don't start a war with someone 20 times your size and then ask for help.
Xi to Trump: You don't start a trade-war with someone 4 times your size and then chickening out coward.

Apr 23, 2025 9:02am

I think it is worth noting that despite the seeming chaos many of the Trump goals are being realized. I dont say this because I support trump but because as a trader I need to have some perspective on the future.

Apr 23, 2025 9:17am

Quoting The Fool

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{quote}What goals, for instance?

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1. Imposition of tariffs on the world
2. No overt retaliation except China
3. Acceptance of the Tariffs within the us (now we are reacting to the relative amount of tariff rather than their existence).
4. Confirmation that the ongoing campaign of misinformation and confusion can be used to trigger and control the market.
5. Feeding the base
6. De facto control over US enterprises via the threat and reality of increases and carve-outs
7. A significant decline in the power of the existing global trading order
8. A 10% depreciation in the us dollar

I would also guess that there was some backchanneling with the Fed and suspect he extracted something in exchange for his (probably soon to be broken) promise of Fed independence.

Apr 24, 2025 5:17pm

Quoting ffghost

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{quote} Hehe - I was just trying to make a joke (i.e. he's tariffing everyone else in the world, why not CA...or NY....or any other state he didn't win...seems right up his alley...especially when he complains about corps not paying enough taxes).

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It was really funny which is why I responded to it with the truth is stranger than fiction response.

Apr 24, 2025 3:47pm

Quoting Polimini

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{quote} isn't California like the 5th largest economy in the world or something like that, why they don't do something about it at the State level.

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Trump still trying to figure out if he puts tariffs on CA.....Republicans can't win the state anyway, might as well get some $$ from them, right??

Apr 24, 2025 4:36pm

Quoting AaronWard

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{quote} California pays far more in taxes than any other state. If he cuts their funding—something he's threatened and at times acted on—he's effectively tariffing CA. Also, California’s agriculture and construction sectors rely heavily on migrants. Border shutdowns hurt CA.

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Hehe - I was just trying to make a joke (i.e. he's tariffing everyone else in the world, why not CA...or NY....or any other state he didn't win...seems right up his alley...especially when he complains about corps not paying enough taxes).

skillz16

Apr 23, 2025 8:53am

Quoting Ffoorreexx

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They still want to maintain extremely high tariffs on China, so this just seems like another attempt by Trump to manipulate the market for the benefit of himself and his wealthy allies.

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I don';t know... perhaps they see this and just don't have the stomach to continue the game they were trying to play...

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US business activity growth slowed to a 16-month low in April, according to flash PMI

survey data, with business expectations about the year ahead also dropping to one of the lowest levels seen since the pandemic. Prices charged for goods and services meanwhile rose at the sharpest rate for just over a year, with an especially steep increase reported for manufactured goods, linked to tariffs.
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Apr 23, 2025 8:43am

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AW, I'll respond to those when I have a minute. I think it's true Trump was clear about what he intended to do (with some exceptions) and he's been trying to do it.

Apr 23, 2025 6:33pm

Quoting AaronWard

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{quote} 1. Imposition of tariffs on the world 2. No overt retaliation except China 3. Acceptance of the Tariffs within the us (now we are reacting to the relative amount of tariff rather than their existence). 4. Confirmation that the ongoing campaign of misinformation and confusion can be used to trigger and control the market. 5. Feeding the base 6. De facto control over US enterprises via the threat and reality of increases and carve-outs 7. A significant decline in the power of the existing global trading order 8. A 10% depreciation in the us...

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You need to watch post #16. Especially the 2 words "Dumb policy" at 6:50

TableTop

Apr 23, 2025 8:48am

Quoting ffghost

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{quote} Only took 2 minutes to retrace 60%. Good to know we continue to move an entire day's worth of move in a 15 VIX environment every minute or so. Cause that's healthy

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It's good for some scalping volatility but terrible for building a position

TimmyBTrades

Apr 23, 2025 8:44am

Now to see if the whole report gets refuted by the White House in a couple hours lol

chiche

Apr 23, 2025 9:03am

Well you vote him, you have it, becareful what you wish for.

mortgagee

Apr 23, 2025 8:55am

MAGA traders celebrate capitulation

Trader#8899

Apr 23, 2025 10:40am

Can you imagine having to work for this clown, the only thing you'd ever be required to say is "Yes sir", until the answer should have been "No sir", then you'd be fired for incompetence. I wonder if he has ever taken responsibility in his entire miserable life. The fallout is great for trading but this clown is supposed to be a leader & strategic thinker. Be careful what you wish for in the USA.

Trader#F18A

Apr 23, 2025 1:16pm

Easy to see who is desperate now.

“The worst thing you can possibly do in a deal is seem desperate to make it. That makes the other guy smell blood, and then you’re dead.” - Donald Trump, Art of the Deal

Apr 23, 2025 9:04am

Quoting Trader#2731

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{quote}SPY strangles and straddles are working these days

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Not trading works well, too. You want to have something riding to catch these monster moves, though. Keep em small maybe is best advice....

Apr 24, 2025 2:46am

Even faithful Republicans in dire need of help can't get through to him.
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...5cea0480&ei=44

Apr 24, 2025 2:59am

Quoting OutThere

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Even faithful Republicans in dire need of help can't get through to him. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...5cea0480&ei=44

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RFK has proven that tornados are gay. If you help people who were molested by gay tornados, the liberals win.

Apr 24, 2025 3:27am — Edited

Trump has a kind heart (To his millionare friends who got the inside info on his market moves). Post #36
https://www.forexfactory.com/news/13...s#post15214207

Apr 24, 2025 3:40am

Quoting The Fool

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{quote}RFK has proven that tornados are gay. If you help people who were molested by gay tornados, the liberals win.

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I found this but do you have a link where he specifically says tornados are gay?

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Apr 24, 2025 7:45am

Quoting Polimini

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{quote} what is that quote: "even a broken clock is right twice a day", he isn't wrong about the excess of chemicals, especially in the US. Even if he's saying crazy, if he does something about it, it's a net positive.

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I wonder why he hasn't said anything about California that is so contaminated with lead from lead based pesticides they used in the 50's that is in their soil and water. Considering it is a fruit and vegetable producing state exporting their products all over the place. It's so bad schools and daycares have to dig up deep and change their soil out of concern for kids safety.
I know why. It's too expensive and beyond help to fix but artificial colors in candies is much easier to tackle for him.

ps. If you are in Cali, hold ypur breath the whole time cause a gust of wind carrying lead dust that you breathe is gonna be harmful to your health.

Apr 24, 2025 5:54pm

CA has an annual GDP of $4.1 trillion - it would be #4 in the world if it were a country, ahead of Germany and just a little shy of Japan. A single County in CA (Los Angeles - the largest of 58 counties in the State) has an annual GDP of just under $1 trillion. If LA County were a State, it would rank #6 in GDP, of all the States. LA County has about 10,000,000 population - this is more than the combined population of all 10 of the least populous US States.

And yet, CA gets 2 US Senators, just like all the other States.

Apr 24, 2025 8:35pm

Quoting ffghost

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{quote} Yeah, but it gets more electoral votes and more seats in the house.

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The electoral votes count in one single election. The EC needs to be scrapped in favor of a popular vote for POTUS. My point is, of course, that the representative democracy mechanics are fucked up and give a voter in the least populated states an outsized influence in the Congress.

Apr 25, 2025 8:00am

Quoting Polimini

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{quote} Germany passed Japan on GDP a long time ago.

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right-o, these rankings shift year to year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_GDP_(nominal)

Apr 24, 2025 2:15pm

Quoting Polimini

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{quote} isn't California like the 5th largest economy in the world or something like that, why they don't do something about it at the State level.

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According to ChatGPT: California has by far the strongest and most comprehensive environmental laws in the U.S., across air, water, energy, land use, and vehicle emissions. It's often stricter than federal standards and drives national policy via market size and legal waivers.

Apr 24, 2025 4:11pm

Quoting ffghost

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{quote} Trump still trying to figure out if he puts tariffs on CA.....Republicans can't win the state anyway, might as well get some $$ from them, right??

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California pays far more in taxes than any other state. If he cuts their funding—something he's threatened and at times acted on—he's effectively tariffing CA. Also, California’s agriculture and construction sectors rely heavily on migrants. Border shutdowns hurt CA.

Apr 23, 2025 8:44am

orange coward is already backing down. Hillarious

Apr 23, 2025 8:51am

Quoting TableTop

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{quote} It's good for some scalping volatility but terrible for building a position

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Well, there's zero chance to scalp the initial upside unless already in the trade. Hard to know when to fade it either. Do you click sell at second number 1 or number 4 of the upcoming move? By the 20th second you were already down 30% of the move. All these do is stop hunt. Risky playing in markets (especially with many positions) if you need to trade with stops (because they will get hit). Of course, it is ALSO risky to play without them if things are going against you

Apr 24, 2025 7:37am

Quoting OutThere

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{quote} I found this but do you have a link where he specifically says tornados are gay? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J6q...ab_channel=CNN

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what is that quote: "even a broken clock is right twice a day", he isn't wrong about the excess of chemicals, especially in the US. Even if he's saying crazy, if he does something about it, it's a net positive.

Apr 24, 2025 1:24pm

Quoting OutThere

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{quote} I wonder why he hasn't said anything about California that is so contaminated with lead from lead based pesticides they used in the 50's that is in their soil and water. Considering it is a fruit and vegetable producing state exporting their products all over the place. It's so bad schools and daycares have to dig up deep and change their soil out of concern for kids safety. I know why. It's too expensive and beyond help to fix but artificial colors in candies is much easier to tackle for him. ps. If you are in Cali, hold ypur breath the...

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isn't California like the 5th largest economy in the world or something like that, why they don't do something about it at the State level.

Apr 24, 2025 5:27pm

Quoting ffghost

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{quote} Trump still trying to figure out if he puts tariffs on CA.....Republicans can't win the state anyway, might as well get some $$ from them, right??

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i bet you a large portion of the US population would go "good on trump, putting tariffs on those foreign californians that are ripping us off"

Apr 24, 2025 8:05pm

Quoting The Fool

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CA has an annual GDP of $4.1 trillion - it would be #4 in the world if it were a country, ahead of Germany and just a little shy of Japan. A single County in CA (Los Angeles - the largest of 58 counties in the State) has an annual GDP of just under $1 trillion. If LA County were a State, it would rank #6 in GDP, of all the States. LA County has about 10,000,000 population - this is more than the combined population of all 10 of the least populous US States. And yet, CA gets 2 US Senators, just like all the other States.

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Yeah, but it gets more electoral votes and more seats in the house.

The Senate vs. house thing was always of interest to me in school. As in: how can the backwater Wyoming senator get as much "power" as the CA or TX senator...BUT, I guess it kind of has to be that way (at least a little) or every urban area would rule the country and the rural areas would get zero representation....and that is what America was founded upon (no taxation without representation).

Apr 25, 2025 5:39am

Quoting The Fool

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CA has an annual GDP of $4.1 trillion - it would be #4 in the world if it were a country, ahead of Germany and just a little shy of Japan. A single County in CA (Los Angeles - the largest of 58 counties in the State) has an annual GDP of just under $1 trillion. If LA County were a State, it would rank #6 in GDP, of all the States. LA County has about 10,000,000 population - this is more than the combined population of all 10 of the least populous US States. And yet, CA gets 2 US Senators, just like all the other States.

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Germany passed Japan on GDP a long time ago.

costos

Apr 23, 2025 8:49am

Ah, Trump is so beautiful, can't help but admire him more every day. Everything he does is so meaningful in so many ways.

rishee

Apr 23, 2025 8:46am

Not sure if this was the original strategy or if Trump is pivoting under pressure. The timing of the tariff cuts seems pretty significant, especially considering how the market's been reacting. It's like they’re trying to de-escalate while balancing out trade imbalances, but the broader economic implications are still unclear. We'll see if this is a calculated move or a shift in tactics.

cco1569474

Apr 23, 2025 9:00am

Every time Trump makes a announcement Cha-Ching💵💸

Ffoorreexx

Apr 23, 2025 8:49am

They still want to maintain extremely high tariffs on China, so this just seems like another attempt by Trump to manipulate the market for the benefit of himself and his wealthy allies.

Apogee1

Apr 23, 2025 8:40am

Luckily i was in a buy

Apr 24, 2025 7:56am

Also it'd be nice if he addressed the old decomposing nuke waste storage sites all over the US. But again, too expensive. Better stick to cheap solutions for less hazardous issues.

Apr 23, 2025 8:53am

YAY! TRADE WAR IS OVER! WE WON. [hysterical laughter]

Apr 23, 2025 8:39am

167pt up nasdaq in 10 seconds.

Apr 23, 2025 8:48am

Bonds don't like it at all (look at that action in the /zb). Yikes!

cryptocow

Apr 23, 2025 8:51am

btc eking back to 100K 📈

Up-trend

Apr 23, 2025 8:58am

How long until they deny this? 🤔

mortgagee

Apr 24, 2025 7:22am

it is not consideration , it is NO CHOICE decision

Apr 23, 2025 8:48am

Coward Donald Duck

Apr 23, 2025 9:14am

Steering clear off the market for now.
Trump keeps jumping around all o'er the place.
Atp he just a puppet for his wall street friends he got as government officials at the white house

FourxTwoxs

Apr 23, 2025 9:32am

Quoting AaronWard

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I think it is worth noting that despite the seeming chaos many of the Trump goals are being realized. I dont say this because I support trump but because as a trader I need to have some perspective on the future.

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Yes, yes. Big goals of rooting out DEI, discouraging border hopping, tanking the $, and slashing govt't overhires.
Restoring strategic manufacturing to give hardworking Americans the best paying jobs? When MAGA?

NotAtrader

Apr 24, 2025 1:37am — Edited

Quoting zmw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px18sLHro7Y

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What? Sense? What sense? The only sense they have is the taste of Trump's ass

Khulna-bokul

Apr 23, 2025 9:09am

:d :d ট্রাম একটা ফালতু লোক। ওর কথার কোন দাম নেই।

Tarcisius

Apr 23, 2025 9:00am

How would I know pmi will be related to tariffs...us there any way I would know tariff feedback would be released today?

Tarcisius

Apr 23, 2025 9:09am

will Gold still rally?coz I'm projecting Gold to 5k and I don't of it's possible

Apr 23, 2025 8:40am

Apr 23, 2025 8:40am

no shit sherlock!

Apr 23, 2025 8:42am

wat a surprise tf

Apr 23, 2025 8:43am

get ready to sell

Trader#3A9C

Apr 23, 2025 8:44am

Quoting ffghost

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167pt up nasdaq in 10 seconds.

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It's a bull trap

Ngunoo

Apr 23, 2025 8:47am

NQ going to 19022.75 and expand to 19250.00 price level respectfully

420aero

Apr 23, 2025 8:47am

mannn these mfs cant stop annoying me, let me fckin trade in peace mfs

Trader#2AEC

Apr 23, 2025 8:47am

The question here is: Who is kissing whose backside?

classicm1

Apr 23, 2025 8:51am

wow new interface

Trader#2731

Apr 23, 2025 9:00am

Quoting ffghost

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{quote} Well, there's zero chance to scalp the initial upside unless already in the trade. Hard to know when to fade it either. Do you click sell at second number 1 or number 4 of the upcoming move? By the 20th second you were already down 30% of the move. All these do is stop hunt. Risky playing in markets (especially with many positions) if you need to trade with stops (because they will get hit). Of course, it is ALSO risky to play without them if things are going against you

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SPY strangles and straddles are working these days

Apr 23, 2025 9:07am

Wtf Trump's doing?

Apr 23, 2025 9:07am

Market manipulation

Apr 23, 2025 9:12am

Quoting Khulna-bokul

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:d :d ট্রাম একটা ফালতু লোক। ওর কথার কোন দাম নেই।

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yes yes

Trader#BE05

Apr 23, 2025 1:08pm

Fake news. Tariffs are still on, sell nasdaq, s&p500 and Dollar.

Apr 24, 2025 12:23am

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Apr 24, 2025 12:46pm

Oops. Trump called bluffing, tries to back peddle. It wont be that easy.

Trader#F1AF

Apr 23, 2025 8:41am

wtf

Trader#D41F

Apr 23, 2025 8:41am

Donnie is the cave man

Trader#3A27

Apr 23, 2025 8:42am

America is coward nation everyone knows that

Trader#995E

Apr 23, 2025 8:42am

hahaha they choked..

Trader#B8DE

Apr 23, 2025 8:42am

When you wake up and this is not the 50's - well Mr. Orage, I suppose middle age crisis should take 10 yrs not continue until your 80's

Trader#16BE

Apr 23, 2025 8:42am

I’m gonna die broke atp

Trader#09E5

Apr 23, 2025 8:46am

Trader#2731

Apr 23, 2025 8:46am

Quoting ffghost

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167pt up nasdaq in 10 seconds.

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nice, are you gonna go short right away for the usual follow up " just kidding tweet" next

Trader#04B0

Apr 23, 2025 8:46am

Great timing

Trader#6560

Apr 23, 2025 8:47am

Ffs

Trader#5B8F

Apr 23, 2025 8:47am

Good news for USD Index

Trader#7199

Apr 23, 2025 8:48am

usual mexican novela

Trader#B986

Apr 23, 2025 8:48am

Trader#A94E

Apr 23, 2025 8:49am

shi skyrocketed

Trader#76F7

Apr 23, 2025 8:50am

Hopefully my Eurjpy sell position won't be effected

Trader#5480

Apr 23, 2025 8:50am

Yeah their friends making lots of money off this move

Trader#FD3B

Apr 23, 2025 8:51am

what happened now where to watch?

Trader#0400

Apr 23, 2025 8:55am

Trader#F0E4

Apr 23, 2025 8:55am

eurcad not good

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Trader#077D

Apr 23, 2025 8:55am

He’s just trying to creat pull back so they can buy at better prices 🤣

Trader#39CA

Apr 23, 2025 8:55am

Lol

Trader#AA76

Apr 23, 2025 8:56am

Can i trade prop firm

Trader#73C9

Apr 23, 2025 8:57am

happened to be in a trade long on US30 just before this news...I was so caught off guard.

Trader#6664

Apr 23, 2025 9:01am

@tarcisius you dont lol

Trader#E3A6

Apr 23, 2025 9:01am

shorting gold all the way to hell wahahahaha

Trader#582F

Apr 23, 2025 9:01am

Dollar getting strong … keep buy Uj

Trader#5E8D

Apr 23, 2025 9:06am

Fake news. Tune to @TheRealDonald

Trader#455A

Apr 23, 2025 9:11am

White House considers slashing China tariffs to de-escalate trade war

Trader#2FC2

Apr 23, 2025 2:11pm

HAHAHAHAHA.. Just add to the list of all the other wars America has lost......

Trader#1B20

Apr 23, 2025 8:46am

nah they need to negotiate not break pressure, China is at 2007 levels we are winning

Trader#72B5

Apr 23, 2025 9:12am