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  • #81
  • Dec 31, 2024 10:30am Dec 31, 2024 10:30am
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  • #83
  • Dec 31, 2024 11:24am Dec 31, 2024 11:24am
Thanks for all the help and advice, giving it a rest now
So stay safe and happy new year to every single one of you.
  • #84
  • Jan 1, 2025 5:04am Jan 1, 2025 5:04am
Quoting TooSlow
Trading has taught me to distinguish between reality and concepts. Traders argue all day long about concepts like trend, accumulation, manipulation, distribution, etc... All Forex traders, using the same broker, will agree on today's open price, yesterday's high and low, etc... Perhaps my HOLO thread will be of assistance. Cheers, Mate! {image} {image} {image}
It's mostly around Market Opens & Closes where the Accumulation, Distribution & manipulation is occuring, as liquidity enters the market,
There has to be some fake moves to provide the necessary liquidity to fill large orders.
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  • #85
  • Jan 1, 2025 5:32am Jan 1, 2025 5:32am
Quoting ryuryu
... So here's no actual "manipulation" here. No one forces traders to open positions or believe in patterns and cycles. The term '"manipulation" is misleading - it's simply market dynamics between large and small traders. ...
Agree.

The nonsense of the market (futures, equities, options, bonds etc) trapping traders, manipulating etc is impossible. The market doesn't exist to trap traders. It doesn't exist to manipulate traders.
  • #86
  • Edited 10:29am Jan 1, 2025 10:13am | Edited 10:29am
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} Agree. The nonsense of the market (futures, equities, options, bonds etc) trapping traders, manipulating etc is impossible. The market doesn't exist to trap traders. It doesn't exist to manipulate traders.
Manipulation is maybe the wrong word for it and it is not a "phase" in the market.

You are right when you say the market doesn't exist to trap traders, it is there however to fill orders of large institutions, governments etc.

However, if these Large positions were to hit the market in one go, it would mean the market would move away significantly away from the ideal entry price, so to counter this, these large Banks would look to create liquidity in the opposite direction first,

As a consequence of this activity, breakout traders will get trapped by these "Fake Moves" which are easy to spot after the event, which Wyckoff coined the term "Spring".

Manipulation is more when the Large Banks conspire together to "Fix" Libor Rates to advance their gain on other smaller banks & institutions, which is illegal.
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  • Jan 2, 2025 4:22pm Jan 2, 2025 4:22pm
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  • Jan 2, 2025 10:33pm Jan 2, 2025 10:33pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Manipulation is maybe the wrong word for it and it is not a "phase" in the market. You are right when you say the market doesn't exist to trap traders, it is there however to fill orders of large institutions, governments etc. However, if these Large positions were to hit the market in one go, it would mean the market would move away significantly away from the ideal entry price, so to counter this, these large Banks would look to create liquidity in the opposite direction first, As a consequence of this activity, breakout traders will get...
The problem these days is the unintended consequences of technological change. See video in link to see a sample of what I mean. ***NON-ENDORSEMENT ALERT*** by the way. https://www.nyif.com/electronic-trad...ts-online.html

I don't feel the interaction of big and small participants needs the language of fake moves, manipulation, trapping etc. It's simply an environment of there being liquidity or no liquidity. Who is actually not buying or is selling is irrelevant. Can we use stuff like the buying tests of Wyckoff? Yes for stocks, but no for forex. Can we use the visual schema of Wyckoff for forex, yes. perhaps it has limitations though like everything else may have. If anyone can make it CONSISTENTLY work then good work. That's what matters.

Collusion like in 2013 that was dealt with could be considered manipulation perhaps.

All the best.
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  • Jan 2, 2025 10:47pm Jan 2, 2025 10:47pm
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  • #92
  • Edited 7:41pm Jan 3, 2025 3:35pm | Edited 7:41pm
Quoting Forexholy
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Greetings Forexholy,

I wanted to ask if you could share your opinion regarding the GBPUSD. I'm not an advanced trader, so any help would be greatly appreciated. I’ve been analyzing the chart on various timeframes and would like to apply the Wyckoff strategy.
The purple-marked sections represent accumulation, and the turquoise sections indicate distribution (or, in the case of the last two, redistribution). I was wondering if what I’ve marked is correct. Attached, you can find my technical analysis. Please have a look and lmk what you think.
If you disagree, please feel free to elaborate—I’m open to improvement.

Best regards,
Bambi



P.S. @Shabs19, I would appreciate your help too, since I know that you’re more advanced than I am in this particular area.
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  • #93
  • Jan 3, 2025 11:20pm Jan 3, 2025 11:20pm
Quoting callme-bambi
{quote} Greetings Forexholy, I wanted to ask if you could share your opinion regarding the GBPUSD. I'm not an advanced trader, so any help would be greatly appreciated. I’ve been analyzing the chart on various timeframes and would like to apply the Wyckoff strategy. The purple-marked sections represent accumulation, and the turquoise sections indicate distribution (or, in the case of the last two, redistribution). I was wondering if what I’ve marked is correct. Attached, you can find my technical analysis. Please have a look and lmk what you think....
I will post a video you can look at. I dont adhere to the Wycoff strategy but ICT Trader's Market Maker Method. which is simular but has a lot more content.
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  • Jan 5, 2025 6:26pm Jan 5, 2025 6:26pm
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  • #96
  • Edited 6:45pm Jan 5, 2025 6:32pm | Edited 6:45pm
Quoting Forexholy
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0s6wssQJpnY
Yours is an example of someone who has a lot to say in a video about a trading strategy without giving viewers anything worth holding on to.

You will get a lot more out of this video: https://youtu.be/c4GaJKprGEs?si=DXAOAK2nCbobMOtf
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  • #97
  • Jan 5, 2025 10:35pm Jan 5, 2025 10:35pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Manipulation is maybe the wrong word for it and it is not a "phase" in the market. You are right when you say the market doesn't exist to trap traders, it is there however to fill orders of large institutions, governments etc. However, if these Large positions were to hit the market in one go, it would mean the market would move away significantly away from the ideal entry price, so to counter this, these large Banks would look to create liquidity in the opposite direction first, As a consequence of this activity, breakout traders will get...
Springs are definitely a painful lesson! Do you think retails traders would be able to avoid these traps?
  • #98
  • Jan 6, 2025 7:20am Jan 6, 2025 7:20am
Quoting here2there
{quote} Yours is an example of someone who has a lot to say in a video about a trading strategy without giving viewers anything worth holding on to. You will get a lot more out of this video: https://youtu.be/c4GaJKprGEs?si=DXAOAK2nCbobMOtf
I gave this board basic foundation stuff to start with I don’t have time to go through a course there is a lot more they can
learn on YouTube.
  • #99
  • Edited 8:06am Jan 6, 2025 7:52am | Edited 8:06am
Quoting Forexholy
{quote} I gave this board basic foundation stuff to start with I don’t have time to go through a course there is a lot more they can learn on YouTube.
Of course he is selling an expensive trading mentorship program and wants people to become members of his discord group which is probably just as useless as the video you shared. What proof has he given to demonstrate he is a consistently profitable trader and worthy of the money he wants for his teachings?

I wouldn't give people like this any attention. By doing so, you are essentially marketing for him, and you don't even know if he is legit or not.

It's one thing if he actually gives something of value without charging for it—something unique or hard to find. But that is not what he is doing in the video you shared. It's just useless information that likely won't help anyone to become a better trader.

This is my opinion, and I have the right to share it. You can disagree if you like.
Learn from your mistakes and march on.
  • #100
  • Jan 7, 2025 4:17am Jan 7, 2025 4:17am
Quoting ChelseaR
{quote} Springs are definitely a painful lesson! Do you think retails traders would be able to avoid these traps?
Patience is key and don't worry about FOMO, (Fear Of Missing Out), Price usually retraces or there's always another trade.

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