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Quoting Foxfibbbma
I’ve been using BBMA for intraday setups, but the past few months have wiped out my yearly profits. I lost my footing mid-year and decided to reintegrate BBMA into my strategy, but that’s when things started going wrong. More often than not, I get stopped out before hitting TP. Price either breaks through my zone and reverses completely or stops me out before following through with my analysis. I don’t rely solely on BBMA, and my technicals aren’t necessarily wrong. My approach involves identifying direction on H1 with price action, monitoring SNR/SND...
share your analysis here with chart screenshot, we analysis and learn together . if you ask me yes its profitable. for me at least. of course there more losing trade than win but my RR help me at the end of month.
i learned fx around Q3 2018 and came across BBMA in Q4. took me 1 year to understand the basic, another 1 year for multi tf analysis, and another 3 year of learning and losing, then i stopped, trying out naked chart and still failed a lot more than using bbma. so i go back to bbma. refresh all my notes. fixed my risk management. and here i am. keep sharing what i know that works for me. if you still plan on using bbma and its not working out, my suggestion is go learn from the founder itself. anyway good luck man.
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Quoting razoredge22
yesterday taken short on nzdusd. tp around 1:4 80pips {image} {image} {image} {image}
hi you shared this analysis for nzd
can you please explain why you took this zone as take profit
is it like lower bbma in higer timeframes?
Quoting razoredge22
only pair that i dint change my decision was usdcad which i shared on other group. before after {image} {image} {image} {image}
here too
i have a problem in detecting the profit zone
i thought low/ high Ma5/10 is the profit
Quoting razoredge22
{quote} share your analysis here with chart screenshot, we analysis and learn together . if you ask me yes its profitable. for me at least. of course there more losing trade than win but my RR help me at the end of month. i learned fx around Q3 2018 and came across BBMA in Q4. took me 1 year to understand the basic, another 1 year for multi tf analysis, and another 3 year of learning and losing, then i stopped, trying out naked chart and still failed a lot more than using bbma. so i go back to bbma. refresh all my notes. fixed my risk management....
If you please can you analyze gold for the next week
if please start from htf to ltf please
it will be so helpful for us to learn
Quoting Jaad
{quote} here too i have a problem in detecting the profit zone i thought low/ high Ma5/10 is the profit
I use BB or ma high/low as my tp. From entry tf to high tf and so on.
If you add marking level same as my screen shot. Then you change tf to see where that level was. It usually around BB( top low mid) or ma high low.
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Quoting Jaad
{quote} If you please can you analyze gold for the next week if please start from htf to ltf please it will be so helpful for us to learn
Will share more detail tmr after work. From what u can see now, price might making reentry buy on monthly. To reach there, low tf need to have sell signal setup. So wait for ext sell on daily to be safe if you planning to go short.
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Quoting razoredge22
{quote} update on gold potential movement still bias buy. daily currently making buy structure. h4 has a full setup buy. retest reentry. overall movement, gold might look for previous high to create csak buy on daily. then making pullback to take reentry buy daily and continue its way to top bb daily. {image} {image}
potential long term movement gold xauusd pair.
overall view. previously post i did shared long term movement for gold and i was long bias for gold.
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Quoting razoredge22
{quote} share your analysis here with chart screenshot, we analysis and learn together . if you ask me yes its profitable. for me at least. of course there more losing trade than win but my RR help me at the end of month. i learned fx around Q3 2018 and came across BBMA in Q4. took me 1 year to understand the basic, another 1 year for multi tf analysis, and another 3 year of learning and losing, then i stopped, trying out naked chart and still failed a lot more than using bbma. so i go back to bbma. refresh all my notes. fixed my risk management....
I'm not new to BBMA been trading it for about 4yrs since 2019 also not new to this forum used to be a frequent poster from Q4 2023 up to Q1 2024. I've been through many ups and downs with it. I am well versed with the technique, I've watched countless of videos from Oma Ally himself explaining basic to advance BBMA, although I don't believe BBMA is a bad strategy I feel that BBMA reentry zones are highly susceptible to manipulation or liquidity grabs. I don't know how other people control risk with BBMA but I do a 30pip SL no matter what, I just don't have the capital to take anything more and quite frankly it's a lot of mental and financial burden to take in a bigger SL especially with my subpar winrate and 1:1 RR.

I know a lot of traders mostly cut loss instead of SL when price breaks and close above/below zone to avoid liquidity grabs, but I just can't trade like that.

edit: meant to write CSM on chart not CSAK


Here are a few of the many times I've been stopped out. What would you do in my case? And what exactly has turned you from unprofitable to profitable with BBMA.
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Quoting Foxfibbbma
{quote} I'm not new to BBMA been trading it for about 4yrs since 2019 also not new to this forum used to be a frequent poster from Q4 2023 up to Q1 2024. I've been through many ups and downs with it. I am well versed with the technique, I've watched countless of videos from Oma Ally himself explaining basic to advance BBMA, although I don't believe BBMA is a bad strategy I feel that BBMA reentry zones are highly susceptible to manipulation or liquidity grabs. I don't know how other people control risk with BBMA but I do a 30pip SL no matter what,...
1st, i suggest you to stick fully on bbma. but if you want to use other strategies together with bbma, for example SNR/SND, use it on the 3rd tf, but not recommended. it will confuse you more. bbma only is enough.

2nd, i can see you only use on 2tf. bbma use at least 3 mtf. since you look for H1 reentry (TF1), your second tf should be on M15 (TF2) not M30 because m15 will give you more candle to read. and your 3rd will be M5(TF3) where this is the TF for you to entry your position.

3rd, i assume you just use h1 reentry as your entry zone, m30 as your entry position on SNR/SND zone, and 300pips SL, for me its kinda tight. there no room for price to breath/float with 300pips sl on m30 tf.

so here what to fix,

relearn bbma, or better, join OA class on basic bbma.

use 3 tf when analyzing market. so your entry position will be on 3rd tf to avoid big float or taken out early. you can refer my previous analysis/notes i shared in this thread. the reason why i use mtf is finding good zone and perfect timing for me to entry at the same time avoiding big float. me too use SL, i rarely use cutloss unless its the capital i willing to lose. i can see you not fully understand bbma/use bbma strategies to its full potential based on your entry.

if you stuck, always check from htf to lower tf. top down analysis. it help you find the potential of market direction. then back to lower tf, look for reentry that follow current htf direction on that moment.

i post chart here on how i would entry as example. this is just based on my understanding and what i learned.

edit: typo
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Quoting Foxfibbbma
{quote} I'm not new to BBMA been trading it for about 4yrs since 2019 also not new to this forum used to be a frequent poster from Q4 2023 up to Q1 2024. I've been through many ups and downs with it. I am well versed with the technique, I've watched countless of videos from Oma Ally himself explaining basic to advance BBMA, although I don't believe BBMA is a bad strategy I feel that BBMA reentry zones are highly susceptible to manipulation or liquidity grabs. I don't know how other people control risk with BBMA but I do a 30pip SL no matter what,...
based on your 2nd ss

edit: 3rd tf ss.
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Quoting razoredge22
{quote} potential long term movement gold xauusd pair. overall view. previously post i did shared long term movement for gold and i was long bias for gold. {image} {image} {image} {image}
here another example. i did mention wait for h4 to have csm buy if we want to take reentry buy on h1.

once there csm on h4, i look for reentry buy on h1.
all of it with 300pips sl.
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Quoting razoredge22
{quote} here another example. i did mention wait for h4 to have csm buy if we want to take reentry buy on h1. once there csm on h4, i look for reentry buy on h1. all of it with 300pips sl. {image} {image} {image} {image}
when you patiently wait and follow all the structure. just take the trade, set sl , and see how it play out. good luck. still holding on this position. partially close some of it.
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Quoting razoredge22
{quote} 1st, i suggest you to stick fully on bbma. but if you want to use other strategies together with bbma, for example SNR/SND, use it on the 3rd tf, but not recommended. it will confuse you more. bbma only is enough. 2nd, i can see you only use on 2tf. bbma use at least 3 mtf. since you look for H1 reentry (TF1), your second tf should be on M15 (TF2) not M30 because m15 will give you more candle to read. and your 3rd will be M5(TF3) where this is the TF for you to entry your position. 3rd, i assume you just use h1 reentry as your entry zone,...
Do you only exclusively use BBMA? This is my first time seeing someone use only BBMA and nothing else as their entry model, if I recall OA himself said BBMA at the end of the day is just another indicator so take the entry if you have other confluence backing up the movement of BBMA. I personally use BBMA as a secondary tool within my toolbox of strategies amongst others are namely SND/SNR and a strategy called fibo musang specifically cb1 and db only.

Also, my bad for the screenshots, those were rushed shots and are not indicative of how I truly trade. I will usually look at H4 for major areas of resistance/support and assess levels of Top/Low BB on that TF as possible reversal zones, Then drop to H1 where I mostly try to find possible zones of entry which include BBMA reentry, I'm not a fan of taking reentries on H4 as the zone is significantly bigger. After identifying potential zone for entry on H1 i would drop to m15 for something like a db or cb1 or even a BBMA reentry setup if there is any. If i cant find anything on the 15 i drop to 5min and try to find the same things.

In terms of BBMA use case I only look at reentry on H4,H1 and m15 but mostly only use h1 and 15 as zones for reentries. So, yes you are right for the most part I only use 2TF H1 and M15. I don't exactly try to follow advanced MTF BBMA but it is also not basic BBMA because I look at multiple TF however I only look at reentries. You can say I've created my own take on BBMA to simplify things, so I don't get analysis paralysis.

But yes, thank you for the advice I will get back into using MTF BBMA, this looks much more reliable than what I'm doing now. You mentioned 30pip/300point SL being very small with little room for error what's your SL like and more importantly the RR on your trades with BBMA.

Here is a textbook example of how I would take a trade based on my current style of trading
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Quoting razoredge22
{quote} based on your 2nd ss edit: 3rd tf ss. {image} {image} {image}
Tried back testing, was wondering if I'm doing it right?

H1 - found reentry
M15 - found extreme
M5 - entry on csak reentry eventually stopped out for 30pips before taking another csak reentry hitting tp

Should I not have taken the first entry as full structure BBMA was not visible yet despite already having solid signals from HTF.
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@razoredge22

Hi, I have seen videos of Ahmad Daniel on YT, he said that Extreme is when MA5/MA10 close above/below top or low BB, but I also have seen other videos saying that Extreme have 4 types. What is your definition for Extreme?
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Quoting Foxfibbbma
{quote} Tried back testing, was wondering if I'm doing it right? H1 - found reentry M15 - found extreme M5 - entry on csak reentry eventually stopped out for 30pips before taking another csak reentry hitting tp Should I not have taken the first entry as full structure BBMA was not visible yet despite already having solid signals from HTF. {image} {image} {image}
reentry zone should be between ma5,10. then when the price reach the zone, there you will look for setup to entry in lower tf.

based on your chart on h1 , price did try to make reentry but failed to reach, i probably guess lower tf has already complete it setup.
so the price rally and closed as csm. there it try to make another reentry after csm but price overshoot ma5,10 low and mid bb.
there always a reason why the price overshoot. it either look for htf reentry zone or mhv.

either way, take the trade solely based on reentry in stf will work. but it work even better if it being use with mtf analysis.
keep on learning and good luck all your trade.
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Quoting xiaotiao
@razoredge22 Hi, I have seen videos of Ahmad Daniel on YT, he said that Extreme is when MA5/MA10 close above/below top or low BB, but I also have seen other videos saying that Extreme have 4 types. What is your definition for Extreme?
my definition of extreme
-extreme is an early signal to indicate that the market trend is about to end, but not confirm yet. it only confirmed when there is a reversal candle.
-extremes no longer valid when there csm. even when ma5/10 outside BB.

characteristic of ext
-ma5/10 outside bb
-have reverse cs
-have retest cs (entry point)
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Hi Razor, I have taken a long trade in AUDUSD, ended in loss. Please help me to take a look what caused the problem.

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in M15, there is full set up. I closed the trades after a CSM sell formed in M15.




I have tried figure out what are the problem. Is it I should not go for long trade when PA is below EMA50 in H4? or should I wait until the PA closed below the MHV zone in H1? because the price just bounced up a bit by the time I post this.

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after I closed the trades, only I realised the chart can be read like this. The price is below EMA50, so better go for short?
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Quoting xiaotiao
Hi Razor, I have taken a long trade in AUDUSD, ended in loss. Please help me to take a look what caused the problem. {image} in H4, there is CSAK and reentry. {image} in H1, there is MHV. {image} in M15, there is full set up. I closed the trades after a CSM sell formed in M15. I have tried figure out what are the problem. Is it I should not go for long trade when PA is below EMA50 in H4? or should I wait until the PA closed below the MHV zone in H1? because the price just bounced up a bit by the time I post this. {image} after I closed the trades,...
you trade against the trend. daily and weekly cs is still below mid bb and ema50. should have focus on short. so look for daily or h4 sell signal & setup.
when you see csak that is opposite trend, check htf. sometime price overshoot ma5/10 or mid bb just to reach htf reentry zone. price can be looking for ma5/10 zone or barely reach it.

so when you do mtf analysis, dont forget to check where ema50 is on 1st and 2nd tf. is it above or below the price. sometime people left out ema50 function in bbma. ema50 is for you to know the current market trend on that time/moment.

try look at my previous post and analysis. i think there some where i put and arrow on ema50 on 2nd tf.
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Quoting xiaotiao
Hi Razor, I have taken a long trade in AUDUSD, ended in loss. Please help me to take a look what caused the problem. {image} in H4, there is CSAK and reentry. {image} in H1, there is MHV. {image} in M15, there is full set up. I closed the trades after a CSM sell formed in M15. I have tried figure out what are the problem. Is it I should not go for long trade when PA is below EMA50 in H4? or should I wait until the PA closed below the MHV zone in H1? because the price just bounced up a bit by the time I post this. {image} after I closed the trades,...
Allow me to chip in, with currency pairs it's always a bad idea to trade against the trend especially with BBMA if you're using some other strategy maybe you can scalp a few pips. However, with XAUUSD this isn't the case which is why I prefer to just stick with Gold. Personally, for me each currency pairs have their own nuances and react to BBMA slightly differently and I don't mean different patterns or market structure from what OA has taught but instead indications of when a BMMA setup will fail.

Back when I traded currency pairs I often times knew when my BBMA setup would fail, obviously not every time but more than half of the times I predicted were right, there was this pattern that I unconsciously recognized but I just couldn't put a finger to it. I would advise to stick to a single pair and truly understand and study the nuance of that pair, so you're chances of winning a trade is higher

To add to your question about identifying what went wrong with your failed setup which razor has already explained. BBMA is an interesting strategy, there's lots of conflicting ideas on every timeframe one might look and see reentry buy on daily followed by H4 price action confirmation and H1 making MHV while another on the same chart would see that H4 rejection making a reentry as an entry point for a sell and at the end of the day someone will be right and another will be wrong with their analysis despite both having followed the same rules of BBMA, and this is why I think BBMA is so dynamic it provides explanations for failed trades, but also presents multiple interpretations even before you take the trade which leaves a lot of room for analysis paralysis, but the power of BBMA comes from understanding what interpretations to give priority to. I've actually discussed about this with razor in the past ( https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...2#post14680312 ), this IMO is one of the most challenging parts about BBMA.
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