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  • #381
  • Nov 22, 2024 2:03pm Nov 22, 2024 2:03pm
Quoting Fisher755
You will have to risk 2 or maybe 3 months low risk low returns and trade max 4.5k margin ( watch the margin, not lot size). I experimented with that, my risk factor varies on 5 DZ accounts from 0.4 being the lowest to 4.6 being the biggest. The difference is huge.
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hope it wont take 2 months...... should have an idea of how long by next friday......

maintaining my same single contract per trade and while reducing my time in trade should help......

the asian session are my longest trades by far......

cutting my over all trade length by 75% is my goal......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #382
  • Nov 22, 2024 6:50pm Nov 22, 2024 6:50pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //---- hope it wont take 2 months...... should have an idea of how long by next friday......
The risk-engine has a rolling 45 day window so you should be able to see visible changes after about 2 weeks and increasing impact after that point.
  • #383
  • Edited 6:08pm Nov 23, 2024 12:39am | Edited 6:08pm
Quoting OutThere
If you wanted to invest, would you invest in traders using demo accounts or real accounts? I think most are going for traders with real accounts on Darwin. {image}
Min deposit for Darwinex is $500. A trader could have his Darwin created and trade for a year to get a track record. Maybe they have a big 20% drawdown. Wow!! So they have lost $100 of real money. Investors should be drooling over themselves to invest because, afterall, this is REAL money that they are trading.

Meanwhile a trader using Dzero for 1 year to get a track record has already spent $500 of REAL money paying subscription fees. 5 times more REAL money lost in the short term than the Darwinex dude.

I'm sure they considered this question when creating the DZero model. Imagine a bunch DZero studs (like me for example) trading for a year or two and establishing a super sexy track record and then not getting any investor capital. DZero's reputation would be ruined. I doubt they are going to risk their entire business reputation without having a plan for DZero investment in traders.
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #384
  • Nov 23, 2024 4:42am Nov 23, 2024 4:42am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Min deposit for Darwinex is $500. A trader could have his Darwin created and trade for a year to get a track record. Maybe they have a big 20% drawdown. Wow!! So they have lost $100 of real money. Investors should be drooling over themselves to invest because, afterall, this is REAL money that are trading. Meanwhile a trader using Dzero for 1 year to get a track record has already spent $500 of REAL money paying subscription fees. 5 times more REAL money lost in the short term than the Darwinex dude. I'm sure they considered this question...
The #1 guy on gold CXLZ, doesn't have any investors. For over a year been a DZero stud. Not cutting it yet.
The only reason I noticed was cause you mentioned it.

Would be interesting to have a list of top 100 gold Darwin vs 100 gold Dzero.
I'd think overall Dz's will be lagging.
  • #385
  • Nov 23, 2024 6:00am Nov 23, 2024 6:00am
It was a pretty quiet economic news week and I expected my algo to not do too much. Thursdays ‘Jobless Gains’ and ‘Home Sales’ news saved the week and closed an open GBPUSD progression for 1%+ setting me up nicely for the coming news filled week. My Darwin also progressed from Top 15% to Top 10%. It prob wont advance to the 35K tier in Nov but next month I should be setup to smash though quite a few funding tiers.
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  • #386
  • Nov 23, 2024 6:02am Nov 23, 2024 6:02am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Min deposit for Darwinex is $500. A trader could have his Darwin created and trade for a year to get a track record. Maybe they have a big 20% drawdown. Wow!! So they have lost $100 of real money. Investors should be drooling over themselves to invest because, afterall, this is REAL money that are trading. Meanwhile a trader using Dzero for 1 year to get a track record has already spent $500 of REAL money paying subscription fees. 5 times more REAL money lost in the short term than the Darwinex dude. I'm sure they considered this question...
I am currently trading three Darwinex Zero accounts. I plan to migrate one of them to Darwinex.

First, I will purchase a permanent allocation. I just realized that you can purchase it only from Zero.
How to migrate to Darwinex?

I am currently awaiting performance fees on December 2nd. Not bad, I suppose.
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  • #387
  • Nov 23, 2024 6:10am Nov 23, 2024 6:10am
Quoting sheva89
{quote} I am currently awaiting performance fees on December 2nd. Not bad, I suppose. {image}
NICE!! I always think about the percent gain by what its placement in Gold would be and 3.42% this month is worth 70K at this point.
  • #388
  • Nov 23, 2024 6:34am Nov 23, 2024 6:34am
I think everyone should trade their accounts the way they normally do in peace and with no worry about any distraction from anything because there really is none.
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  • #389
  • Nov 23, 2024 6:43am Nov 23, 2024 6:43am
Quoting BlackOpz
{quote} NICE!! I always think about the percent gain by what its placement in Gold would be and 3.42% this month is worth 70K at this point.
Thanks. My HMW is 3.42% since I received my first allocation. My monthly percentage is not as great, and I'm worried it will cause issues when I get to Gold.
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  • #390
  • Nov 23, 2024 7:04am Nov 23, 2024 7:04am
Quoting sheva89
{quote} Thanks. My HMW is 3.42% since I received my first allocation. My monthly percentage is not as great, and I'm worried it will cause issues when I get to Gold. {image}
Yes, it will cause problems in Gold. You'll be carrying SILVER allocations but might not qualify for a Gold allocation the month you're there. You'll slip back to SILVER and be fine again but that Gold month would be wasted. The bar isnt too high in Gold (1.45% 50K right now) to snag an allocation but its a risk when you advance. BUT you only have 1 month that wouldnt earn an allocation (this month isnt done yet). You'd prob be OK.
  • #391
  • Edited 8:27am Nov 23, 2024 7:14am | Edited 8:27am
Quoting OutThere
I think everyone should trade their accounts the way they normally do in peace and with no worry about any distraction from anything because there really is none. {image}
It *IS* worth worrying about the risk-engine (Funny Pic!) at least until you understand it. Trade normally to get a true baseline for your style and tweak around the edges if you can without sacrificing profitability. Most can make a small change or two that can leverage the risk-engine to your advantage. I'm on Zero which is demo so I dont care about trading smaller than I would if it was my personal cash account AND the risk-engine loves it.
  • #392
  • Nov 23, 2024 7:59am Nov 23, 2024 7:59am
Quoting OutThere
The #1 guy on gold CXLZ, doesn't have any investors..
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are you sure about that......

don't answer too fast......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #393
  • Nov 23, 2024 9:45am Nov 23, 2024 9:45am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //------- are you sure about that...... don't answer too fast......h
I think you mean that he soon will.
  • #394
  • Nov 23, 2024 10:03am Nov 23, 2024 10:03am
Quoting BlackOpz
{quote} It *IS* worth worrying about the risk-engine (Funny Pic!) at least until you understand it. Trade normally to get a true baseline for your style and tweak around the edges if you can without sacrificing profitability. Most can make a small change or two that can leverage the risk-engine to your advantage. I'm on Zero which is demo so I dont care about trading smaller than I would if it was my personal cash account AND the risk-engine loves it.
Ok. But if in my platform I do great but in DZ, I show a crappy performance, then I'd squawk cause it wouldn't be fair to pay a sub to look bad. Who wants a skewed track record.

On Friday I had a bit of a dd on float, not full tilt and my mt4 acct dropped from 1.3% to +.65%
Meanwhile, my DZ dropped from overall 2.85% to +.43%
It happens the other way around too when in DZ %gain increases more than my mt4.


Like I said, I'd need to ignore the white elephant cause if not, then we are trading under his influence.

In essence we are trading under it's influence cause it has attached a module to our trading. The risk engine that Darwinex has decided we all lack is an added layer to our trading.
As much as as it is a tool to homogenize everyone's trading so they can be compared, it is in itself a driving force shaping everyone's trading.

It fits in that famous Ford quote.
You can trade any way you want as long as you trade the way the risk engine approves.

But yes, it's too soon to judge.
  • #395
  • Nov 23, 2024 8:59pm Nov 23, 2024 8:59pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} The #1 guy on gold CXLZ, doesn't have any investors. For over a year been a DZero stud. Not cutting it yet. The only reason I noticed was cause you mentioned it. Would be interesting to have a list of top 100 gold Darwin vs 100 gold Dzero. I'd think overall Dz's will be lagging.
I know you like to look for anything you can find negative about DZero. That's cool.

But with some 3rd grade critical thinking skills you can see why he has no investors yet. He's having a big November but his first 10 months for 2024 is only +7.74. Do some 3rd grade math, and then do some 3rd grade reading in regards to the Gold investor requirements and, voila, now you know why he doesn't have any investors.

Just thought I'd explain it for you. You're welcome. It's my pleasure
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  • #396
  • Nov 23, 2024 11:29pm Nov 23, 2024 11:29pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} I know you like to look for anything you can find negative about DZero. That's cool. But with some 3rd grade critical thinking skills you can see why he has no investors yet. He's having a big November but his first 10 months for 2024 is only +7.74. Do some 3rd grade math, and then do some 3rd grade reading in regards to the Gold investor requirements and, voila, now you know why he doesn't have any investors. Just thought I'd explain it for you. You're welcome. It's my pleasure {image}{image}
Yes it's called critical thinking.

1 year plus, trading well and no one is even considering spending a few bucks on him.
He has certainly spent $600 on subs and probably a lot of time on his craft.
I don't need to do your 3rd grade math and neither the investors do your 3rd grade math to choose someone to invest on.
That's why there is that freaking big green 45 degree equity graph and 400 days of being in positive to smack them in the face with.

Speaking of seeing things, I know you are old and decrepit but if you put your magnifier glasses on, there is a big yellow button on his page that says "Invest in CXLZ" meaning he is qualified to be invested in where he is. No need for your showing off that you finished 3rd grade.
  • #397
  • Nov 23, 2024 11:57pm Nov 23, 2024 11:57pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yes it's called critical thinking. 1 year plus, trading well and no one is even considering spending a few bucks on him. He has certainly spent $600 on subs and probably a lot of time on his craft. I don't need to do your 3rd grade math and neither the investors do your 3rd grade math to choose someone to invest on. That's why there is that freaking big green 45 degree equity graph and 400 days of being in positive to smack them in the face with. Speaking of seeing things, I know you are old and decrepit but if you put your magnifier glasses...
Up until this month he earned 16% in 14 months. Not very attractive for investment and not hard for anyone to understand why no has invested yet

NOW, add in November going forward and he/she/it may get some action.

Gotta consider the context son.

Yeah I see the big invest button. That's what I was getting at cupcake. He literally just became eligible this week. Can't believe no one invested 3 seconds after he became eligible. Come on now, wake up son!
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #398
  • Nov 24, 2024 12:51am Nov 24, 2024 12:51am
It doesn't really matter.
His chart is not really his performance.
He didn't earn those percentages during those months.
His chart and stats are basically manufactured based on his actual performance after Darwinex's algo manipulations.
Even the leverage of 200:1 is fake.
The effective leverage is 10:1 because the algo punishes you if you go higher.
There are a lot of rules and limitations within Darwinex that are untold but hidden in algo which they are not going to reveal.
The way to find them is to get hit by them.
No one is really making their own 'track record' at Darwinex.

But as long as no one says the emperor has no clothes, we can all benefit from this game.
  • #399
  • Nov 24, 2024 1:01am Nov 24, 2024 1:01am
Quoting OutThere
It doesn't really matter. His chart is not really his performance. He didn't earn those percentages during those months. His chart and stats are basically manufactured based on his actual performance after Darwinex's algo manipulations. Even the leverage of 200:1 is fake. The effective leverage is 10:1 because the algo punishes you if you go higher. There are a lot of rules and limitations within Darwinex that are untold but hidden in algo which they are not going to reveal. The way to find them is to get hit by them. No one is really making their...
Victim mentality

My risk factor has been at 0.34 for 6 weeks.

I trade 2 lots Euro which is really .68 lots Euro. I win 100 pips then I win $680 and my profit percentage increases 0.68. No mystery, no sneaky underhanded boogie man doing anything to me. Simple and easy to understand. Leverage irrelevant. VaR irrelevant. Easy game to play
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #400
  • Nov 24, 2024 1:15am Nov 24, 2024 1:15am
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Victim mentality My risk factor has been at 0.34 for 6 weeks. I trade 2 lots Euro which is really .68 lots Euro. I win 100 pips then I win $680 and my profit percentage increases 0.68. No mystery, no sneaky underhanded boogie man doing anything to me. Simple and easy to understand. Leverage irrelevant. VaR irrelevant. Easy game to play
I didn't ask what you do.
Everything I wrote is true.
These charts and performances are not the actual charts and performances of traders and therefore cannot be termed a trader's track record.
Do you find that FACT a victim mentality issue?
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