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loriflori
Nov 19, 2024 1:27am
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Thanks, Biden, for helping to start WWIII by offering Ukraine the use of some of our weaponry against Russia. Just had to make sure Trump starts his second presidency in a sh*tshow, because you haven't messed things up enough already.
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Nick.
Nov 19, 2024 4:21am
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It's pointless to make an argument with people who don't even know where most countries are on the map.
Most people see and hear what they want or what is convenient to them.
It just ain't right to invade a country like that and bomb cities out of existence and then expect those people to just roll over.
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Nick.
Nov 19, 2024 1:31am
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Quoting Robert1991
These guys will start WW3.. for f... sake.
How? Russia can't even beat Ukraine. How is it going to stand against the whole NATO? In a nuclear war, nobody wins so it's suicide. Is Russia ready to end civilisation over a piece of land?
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TraderTero
Nov 19, 2024 2:15am
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Quoting Nick.
{quote}And? What is that mean? End the war in 24 hours? You guys are so gullible. Russia will only agree to favourable terms. Trump can't accommodate Putin because he will look weak. And what will be there to say about his deal making skills? Making the worst deal in history.
Putin will not stop until he is being stopped. No long term peace in sight until then.
Tools
Nov 19, 2024 5:28am
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To be fair, any attack within Russia, is not like a defensive action from Ukraine. It smore like a show off and provoke againts the big bear.
In my opinion Ukraine simply can not win this war, and there is no point making a global conflict out of it.
In every means all nations supporting Ukraine, should go towards peace, giving up territory that is already bombarded, make it a DMZ. Agree that Russia won't attack Ukraine, agree that NATO will not put missle systems into Ukrain, and they won't join NATO.
So no provoking actions going to take place within Ukraine, make it a safe exchange zone. Make it a market spot between EAST and WEST.
Don't forget who was the agressor, but make sure that there are no further losses on either side and the global economy can start to recover as well.
Fighting further will cause more damage, not just in lives, but in the land, in economy, in relations etc etc.
Russia can not be forced to retreat, they need a win on this one at any means.
Simply can't end otherwise.
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W0lfram
Nov 19, 2024 5:10am
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russians can intimidate, and judging by the fact that many shitting their pants, including the autist in his social network - they do it well.

for some reason, russia can:
- invade another country
- kill thousands of civilians
- use Iranian, Chinese, Korean weapons
- arrange provocations and sabotage against NATO
UN is useless, NATO acting like cuckolds

when Ukraine defends itself against a terrorist state, everyone's knees shake.

they have made changes to their nuclear doctrine after recent attacks on military depots (in October). Ukraine continued to attack their infrastructure. What has changed since then?

Ukraine needs more Patriots, F-16 and long range missiles.
QTraders
Nov 22, 2024 12:33pm
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So Putin uses a new type of missile, is anyone surprised? Now, the west is going hold on a second, that's not sporting.

War is never sport.

We as a species should be hitting the streets, war is not an option.

War is where old men tell young men go to war and serve your country (and die)

What a complete utter crock of shit.

17% of the population in Ukraine is Russian, Give the Russian areas back to Russia, stop NATO taking positions on Russia's door step. End the conflict now.

I am not pro Russian or a Putin troll, I am a realist, I don't want to see war in my life time. Anything is better. Churchill summed it up

"Jaw,jaw not war,war"

In this becomes a nuclear conflict, even if the majority of nuclear weapons in Russia are defective. Some will function. 5 Billion dead in days.

Ukraine is not worth it. We need peace makers not war hungry old men.
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MatTrader101
Nov 19, 2024 1:50am
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Ukraine needed this months ago. Too little too late, they lost too much land to Russia, any negotiation now will mean that Ukraine will have to give up the Donbas region, unless there is a dramatic shift in the war itself.
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Nick.
Nov 19, 2024 1:46am
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Yes, don't expect logical behaviour from them.
Trust me they are very logical. Aggression is a sign of weakness. They rained a sea of drones and missiles yesterday over Ukraine and today they are screaming victim. This war is already being conducted with one set of rules for Ukraine and none for Russia. If they nuke Ukraine, Ukraine will become a nuclear state in an instant. They know that. It's all talk. How many nuclear plants are in Ukraine? All they have to do is put some of the uranium on the tip of a missile.
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Nick.
Nov 19, 2024 3:50am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} That's BS, what he didn't want was NATO at his doorstep, something we promised wouldn't happen. To have NATO control his access to the Black Sea. These are all pieces on a chess board. If he did wanted to invade and keep Ukraine as a Russian province it would be easier to do so in 2014 when he invaded Crimea to guarantee access to the Black Sea, and when the Ukrainians were not prepared to defend themselves.
NATO is already at the black sea with Romania my home country,
Bulgaria and Turkiye. So that argument is dumb. You people have to understand that he wants Ukraine. If them joining NATO was the reason then why did he allow Finland so easily to join NATO? A country that shares a much bigger border with Russia. In fact, he said he doesn't care if Finland joins. He said they don't have to because there is no reason for them to do so. Why the discrepancy?
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Nick.
Nov 20, 2024 10:32pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
Ukraines front line is collapsing , Russia is on the ascendancy . It really didn’t need to come to this. There was a peace agreement 2 years ago, ready to sign, similar to what will be signed when Trump takes office. The US interfered as it does , and has done in many countries were they want regime change which is beneficial to them. Libya , Syria , Iraq but a few , termed the Arab spring. The Nuland phone call denied, until it was released . Russia are the aggressors but at the rear is the US stirring the big old pot as usual. Politicians...
Same old song.
First of all the agreement that Russia proposed 2 years ago was totally unacceptable. We don't have the details but if you look around and read between the lines you will get an idea.
Second, you have to go a little further back in history to get a sense of what's going on.
The third point is that the US and the UK in particular have a responsibility to hold their end of the barging based on the 1994 Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances for giving up their nukes in the name of world security
The fourth and most important point is that Ukraine does not want to become a second Belarus. If you take the time and read a bit beyond the headlines you will get a wider understanding of what Putin's intentions are for Ukraine. The people of Ukraine have absolutely no interest in it hence the reason for the Maidan Revolution in 2015...Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom
If you guys blindly spew Kremlin propaganda without facts we will lose not only in Ukraine but the whole West will be destabilized by this massive disinformation campaign. Unless you are or willingly choose to be part of it.
Ukraine doesn't need advice it needs help.
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ilhaner
Nov 19, 2024 3:59am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} That's BS, what he didn't want was NATO at his doorstep, something we promised wouldn't happen. To have NATO control his access to the Black Sea. These are all pieces on a chess board. If he did wanted to invade and keep Ukraine as a Russian province it would be easier to do so in 2014 when he invaded Crimea to guarantee access to the Black Sea, and when the Ukrainians were not prepared to defend themselves.
Putin is a thug and will not stop until he cant get more.
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TraderTero
Nov 19, 2024 11:19am
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To be fair, any attack within Russia, is not like a defensive action from Ukraine. It smore like a show off and provoke againts the big bear. In my opinion Ukraine simply can not win this war, and there is no point making a global conflict out of it. In every means all nations supporting Ukraine, should go towards peace, giving up territory that is already bombarded, make it a DMZ. Agree that Russia won't attack Ukraine, agree that NATO will not put missle systems into Ukrain, and they won't join NATO. So no provoking actions going to take place...
Of course it is defensive. UN charters also defines it as such. They are destroying Russian weapons before they can be used against them. What can be more defensive. You should keep in mind who the intruder is before mimicking Putins propaganda.
OnlineAddict
Nov 19, 2024 1:30am
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Biden's revenge. Well, his team, Biden doesn't know much about the world anymore.
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Nick.
Nov 19, 2024 2:05am
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Quoting Horiyomy
{quote} American Constitution is very clear on this. No logical way that permits such delay at the moment. Come Jan 20, 2025, at exactly 12 noon. Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States!!!
And? What is that mean? End the war in 24 hours? You guys are so gullible.
Russia will only agree to favourable terms. Trump can't accommodate Putin because he will look weak.
And what will be there to say about his deal making skills? Making the worst deal in history.
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Momofrmnyc
Nov 19, 2024 5:09am
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War = money. Simple science. War is profitable no matter how they want to slice and dice it. Peace and unity are simply not money makers like how war is. Modern slavery is more prevalent now than any other period in human history because it's profitable. The world has always moved on a modus operandi.
jordanvic
Nov 19, 2024 1:32am
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Took them long enough. Russia already made their first strike inside Ukraine ages ago.
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chemosi
Nov 19, 2024 6:09am
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To be fair, any attack within Russia, is not like a defensive action from Ukraine. It smore like a show off and provoke againts the big bear. In my opinion Ukraine simply can not win this war, and there is no point making a global conflict out of it. In every means all nations supporting Ukraine, should go towards peace, giving up territory that is already bombarded, make it a DMZ. Agree that Russia won't attack Ukraine, agree that NATO will not put missle systems into Ukrain, and they won't join NATO. So no provoking actions going to take place...
Well reasoned.
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Polimini
Nov 20, 2024 6:02am
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Quoting Vancarbon
Ukraines front line is collapsing , Russia is on the ascendancy . It really didn’t need to come to this. There was a peace agreement 2 years ago, ready to sign, similar to what will be signed when Trump takes office. The US interfered as it does , and has done in many countries were they want regime change which is beneficial to them. Libya , Syria , Iraq but a few termed the Arab spring. The Nuland phone call denied, until it was released . Russia are the aggressors but at the rear is the US stirring the big old pot as usual. Politicians who don’t...
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Polimini
Nov 24, 2024 7:03am
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Quoting Nick.
{quote}Have a listen. Maybe you change your mind. https://youtu.be/e3DTJww_zOc?si=jAcb99lamOJ9AgWg
as a Portuguese, you quoting that idiot doesn't make your argument any stronger. You can also google the crap he did when he was in office and when he left the UE. He has ties to GS that profits heavily from the war.
Whatever he said can be true of false, it's 50/50 depending on personal interests.
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Nick.
Nov 24, 2024 8:28pm
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Quoting QTraders
Putin uses an ICBM. Now, the West needs to double down and also allow Ukraine to become a nuclear nation again. "You do realise that putting nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil would guarantee Russia taking out Ukraine. " This guy is crossing all the lines. Democracy and freedom are worth dying for. "Putin is showing the west he has missiles that can evade the best defenses the west has, he could have tipped them with nuclear warheads, that would be crossing a line. The US upped the game by allowing Ukraine to fire missiles into Russia....
Now that you explain it like this concisely, it all makes sense. Thanks for helping me understand. How did I not see this before? This forum is full of bright people.
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ALThau
Nov 20, 2024 11:39pm
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Quoting QTraders
As for Trump and RFK, now is the time that you need to show the world you are really what you claim to be – anti-war. They both should be out there stating that if this vile puppet of the Neoccons, Zelensky, fires even one long-range missile into Russia, not only will ALL funding to Ukraine be stopped, but they will move to cut off all funding to NATO and move to shut it down. Then, impose trade sanctions on every European country that supports war – We the people do not want war. Already to many people have died, for what? The real truth is the...
Sure, appeasement always worked before. Right? You are either very naive to believe putin’s propaganda or yourself a putin’s troll.
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2be
Nov 19, 2024 4:39am
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Little has changed since lets say 1917, more suffering and more lives lost and /or messed up
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Polimini
Nov 19, 2024 3:26am
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Quoting Nick.
{quote}Bud, these people have been terrorized for centuries. You can't blame them for not wanting to trust a fake peace deal or ceasefire or whatever people might suggest. They have been living in this state of untrust for so long. Putin wants Ukraine to size to exist as an entity as a country. Putin will come back for the rest. I am for them giving up those teritories but is not up to me. I can only put myself in their shoes and try to understand their struggle.
That's BS, what he didn't want was NATO at his doorstep, something we promised wouldn't happen. To have NATO control his access to the Black Sea. These are all pieces on a chess board.

If he did wanted to invade and keep Ukraine as a Russian province it would be easier to do so in 2014 when he invaded Crimea to guarantee access to the Black Sea, and when the Ukrainians were not prepared to defend themselves.
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W0lfram
Nov 20, 2024 6:10am
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Quoting oochiwaawaa
i think what is happenin in Ukr needs to also happen in every single country represented by ppl online today n everyday. THEN ppl will all feel the heat of these situations. not being sadisitic only realistic. ppl today are inhuman n talk lots o talk but have no idea about anythin really these days. !!every man for emself!! also brings on !!an eye for an eye!!. its all part of da same vernacular. i think interneters are fuckin funny. ya talk alot o shit AND are great amusement. ofc if someone can find an alternative to what i said here, to give...
Does this crazy nonsense, with multiple logical and rhetorical flaws, apply to you too? It looks more like self-portrait, actually.
You rails against "internet users" for being ignorant and detached yet contributes nothing constructive.

1. you've presented a morally bankrupt premise. You want the world to burn because you think the ashes will teach everyone a lesson. It's grotesque.
Suggesting that global war and pain are tools for enlightenment - lazy and dumb.
Putinazi started this: 2008 Georgia, 2014 Ukraine. Unfortunately, showing him strength is the best way out.

They saying on federal TV-channels that Baltic countries, Poland are next. Same narrative, they started talking about Georgia and Ukraine just like that.

2. more contradictions and cowardice.
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ofc if someone can find an alternative to what i said here
If you don’t fully believe in your own nihilistic stance, why should anyone else? You waffles between endorsing destruction and hesitantly backing away from it. Like already said - lazy and dumb.
From your POV,
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interneters are fuckin funny. ya talk alot o shit AND are great amusement

3. If you really believed in this “major concern of sizable nature,” you wouldn’t be here giggling at the chaos like it’s a bad joke only you understand. You’d be out there, starting fires in your own world, lighting up your own hypocrisy, making yourself the first victim of your vision. But you won’t. Because deep down, you know you’re yelling at your own reflection - you’re just noise in the problem.

I was in Ukraine first 6 month. More advanced weapons are essential to target and destroy ru infrastructure and logistics, reducing casualties among Ukrainian marines and civilians.
QTraders
Nov 19, 2024 3:44am
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As for Trump and RFK, now is the time that you need to show the world you are really what you claim to be – anti-war. They both should be out there stating that if this vile puppet of the Neoccons, Zelensky, fires even one long-range missile into Russia, not only will ALL funding to Ukraine be stopped, but they will move to cut off all funding to NATO and move to shut it down. Then, impose trade sanctions on every European country that supports war – We the people do not want war.

Already to many people have died, for what? The real truth is the war is wanted, Europe is failing, the idiots in Germany hobbled the country. Soon Germany will fail economically. Already they are saying they don't have the money to pay the pensions, and social benefit.

Once people get hungry they will pull these politicians out of office.

Ukraine is a cash cow, the best farming land in Europe,massive gas reserves. Thats the real reason America does not want China or Russia to have it. I hope Putin is not thrown out by the hard liners, then we will see Russia turn really nasty.
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2be
Nov 19, 2024 5:52am — Edited
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Quoting 2be
Little has changed since lets say 1917, more suffering and more lives lost and /or messed up
lies, many of them, new lies, old lies, pressure and design of being economic with the truth, still alive in this "brave new world"
Not that long ago president Putin in a public statement has expressed his intention to mend Lenin's mistake.
Wander how many has got any idea what he was relating to.

I do not support any aggression neither the loss of huge numbers of innocent people or any single life for that matter, dead do not benefit in any way apart of being murdered with no possibility to claim their rights.

That however does not mean that the wilful blindness is to be continually promoted as a way to cope with disastrous situations faced by any and the current generation.
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QTraders
Nov 24, 2024 12:27pm
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Putin uses an ICBM. Now, the West needs to double down and also allow Ukraine to become a nuclear nation again.

"You do realise that putting nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil would guarantee Russia taking out Ukraine. "

This guy is crossing all the lines. Democracy and freedom are worth dying for.
"Putin is showing the west he has missiles that can evade the best defenses the west has, he could have tipped them with nuclear warheads, that would be crossing a line. The US upped the game by allowing Ukraine to fire missiles into Russia. Ukraine has no democracy, if they had elections would not be banned, that's more like a dictatorship

We don't leave anyone behind who wants and protects our values. People are cowards and will sell their mothers not only freedom in exchange for oppressive peace.
"So try telling that to the thousands of mothers that lost their sons fighting a pointless war, which we all know is nothing to do with democracy, and everything to do with gas reserves and minerals in Ukraine."





You do realise that putting nuclear weapons on Ukrainian soil would guarantee Russia taking out Ukraine. Also it has nothing to do with democracy, if it had Zelenski would not have stopped elections. let the Ukrainian people vote
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Polimini
Nov 20, 2024 1:41am
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Quoting Nick.
According to Reuters now Putin is open to a ceasefire deal. All that talk and no smoke.
your reading skills suck man
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...al-2024-11-20/
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Tools
Nov 20, 2024 1:51am
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Quoting TraderTero
{quote} Of course it is defensive. UN charters also defines it as such. They are destroying Russian weapons before they can be used against them. What can be more defensive. You should keep in mind who the intruder is before mimicking Putins propaganda.
Don't get me wrong, I am not on Putin's side, and I believe russia is the agressor. But on a global scale, Ukraine simply cannot win, and if these pokings finally give a chance for this mad man to press the red button, we are all screwed.

Northern nations warned their people of an imminent War situiation, and gave guidelines, how to treat wounds and how to prepare for this situation.

If they are this afraid, what do you think how close are we for an even furtuher escalated war that can involve nuclear weapons?

In my opinion let Ukraine fall and save the planet... Sorry but I can't phrase it any better. We have seen what these weapons can do.
I would not shoot within Russian borders.. react anything that comes in to the Ukrain borders but just don't poke outside.
Extending the war, slowing it down eventually to a stop would might bring peace.

Of course I must be wrong, but certanly I don't want to end up in a nuclear winter...
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Nick.
Nov 21, 2024 6:37pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} You call that research. I think the youth of today use the acronym “ lol “ You’re showing your naivety now
Have a listen. Maybe you change your mind.
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Nick.
Nov 23, 2024 1:28am
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Putin uses an ICBM. Now, the West needs to double down and also allow Ukraine to become a nuclear nation again. This guy is crossing all the lines. Democracy and freedom are worth dying for. We don't leave anyone behind who wants and protects our values. People are cowards and will sell their mothers not only freedom in exchange for oppressive peace.
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Nick.
Nov 23, 2024 3:13am
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Why are you here then Nick , shouldn’t you be on the frontline laying your life on the line for this freedom of which you espouse? It wasn’t an ICBM it was a IRBM ( they’re classified on range) , rather ironic when you tell me to do some research and can’t even quote the basic requirements. It was probably delivered courtesy of the US and UK actions to allow western missiles to be fired into Russia “Every action has an equal and opposite reaction “ , it was once said . I’m sure you don’t know much about war but citizens are but mere “ collateral...
What is it with you, man? Are you alright? Do you need a hug or something? What happened to your previous posts? It's a bit strange, my man. Just don't get too worked up about all this. It's not healthy.
Ukraine needs weapons, not me, to defend themselves.
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Nick.
Nov 25, 2024 5:03am
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Quoting Vancarbon
Now that you explain it so concisely Nick . Thank goodness we have you around to keep us ignorant individuals so informed. Thank you I need a hug .
You need more than a hug. You need a doctor.
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abelfxtrader
Nov 19, 2024 4:01am
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2 years of conflict and Democrats do this days before trump gets in office no wonder why America rejected them the way they just did.... Smells like a tactical nuke
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Robert1991
Nov 19, 2024 1:24am
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These guys will start WW3.. for f... sake.
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Nick.
Nov 20, 2024 12:23am
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According to Reuters now Putin is open to a ceasefire deal. All that talk and no smoke.
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Horiyomy
Nov 19, 2024 2:47am
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Quoting Nick.
{quote}And? What is that mean? End the war in 24 hours? You guys are so gullible. Russia will only agree to favourable terms. Trump can't accommodate Putin because he will look weak. And what will be there to say about his deal making skills? Making the worst deal in history.
I am sure you understand "WAR" very well. I am not tricked as you just perceived. My comment did not state how the war will end not even calling in Trump or support the opinion of him being president will show or perform Magic with Putin. But for the fact that Russia will only agree to favorable terms makes it ideal for Ukraine too to change its position too...Zelensky needs to act to claim what they have lost and as well held what they could..None of the country is ready to settle for less!!!
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 25, 2024 5:49pm
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so ur talks mean nothin and amount to nothin
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OnlineAddict
Nov 19, 2024 1:38am
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Quoting Nick.
Is Russia ready to end civilisation over a piece of land?
Yes, don't expect logical behaviour from them.
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W0lfram
Nov 20, 2024 11:44pm
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Quoting oochiwaawaa
{quote} what i said == 2 reasons = to see reactions from ppl. and to flush out da real issues. all the possible solutions ppl round talk bout have been tried over n over n over again for years decades centuries. THEY DONT WORK. if u need to visit human history to understand this then go ahead. but use ur brain not ur opinion, if thats possible. in the end of anythin of a large nough scale, its not ur !!strong people!! (police, private security, military etc) who are required to step up n face the situation then solve the problem to its conclusion,...
Does this crazy delusional nonsense apply to yo too, interneter?
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i brought to attention just how much BULLSHIT ppl round now love to speak.
That's for sure. Your post drew attention for its size and not for its logical content.
You are talking shit online for which you bear no responsibility.
Have fun, Peter.
Polimini
Nov 19, 2024 3:52am
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Quoting QTraders
I hope Putin is not thrown out by the hard liners, then we will see Russia turn really nasty.
Putin is a crazy dictator but the truth is at least things are controlled with him. Russians don't know what democracy is, if the alternative was that nutjob alexei navalny you know things are really bad.
We pushed Putin with NATO expansion, we pushed him into alliances with China, Iran, NK. Just like what we're doing with China, pushing them further and further away, to them cry about it.
The war machine will never stop at nothing to get what it wants, conflicts, money.
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Nick.
Nov 19, 2024 3:17am
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Quoting Horiyomy
{quote} I am sure you understand "WAR" very well. I am not tricked as you just perceived. My comment did not state how the war will end not even calling in Trump or support the opinion of him being president will show or perform Magic with Putin. But for the fact that Russia will only agree to favorable terms makes it ideal for Ukraine too to change its position too...Zelensky needs to act to claim what they have lost and as well held what they could..None of the country is ready to settle for less!!!
Bud, these people have been terrorized for centuries. You can't blame them for not wanting to trust a fake peace deal or ceasefire or whatever people might suggest. They have been living in this state of untrust for so long. Putin wants Ukraine to size to exist as an entity as a country. Putin will come back for the rest. I am for them giving up those teritories but is not up to me. I can only put myself in their shoes and try to understand their struggle.
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Nick.
Nov 21, 2024 1:38am
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} What a patronising post ! So I’ll reciprocate. I’ve probably forgotten more than you’ve ever read or known , so don’t play silly games and try to give me a history lesson . Go back past the Holodomor and the previous history of Ukraine if you want perspective. The claptrap you spout is the one sided Western version although as always it has its truths and merits. The problem with people like you , and the public at large is that they’re so narrow minded that they don’t take the time to read and learn about...
Have you done the research I pointed you to? Otherwise, we can't go on with the conversation because you, unfortunately, are not a qualified observer.
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ALThau
Nov 20, 2024 11:45pm
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To be fair, any attack within Russia, is not like a defensive action from Ukraine. It smore like a show off and provoke againts the big bear. In my opinion Ukraine simply can not win this war, and there is no point making a global conflict out of it. In every means all nations supporting Ukraine, should go towards peace, giving up territory that is already bombarded, make it a DMZ. Agree that Russia won't attack Ukraine, agree that NATO will not put missle systems into Ukrain, and they won't join NATO. So no provoking actions going to take place...
You would think that Hungarian would know better, but you most likely voted for Orban. Putin’s puppet.
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silverau
Nov 19, 2024 1:36am
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start a world war, a tactic to delay/stop the new president inauguration?
Horiyomy
Nov 19, 2024 1:54am
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Quoting silverau
start a world war, a tactic to delay/stop the new president inauguration?
American Constitution is very clear on this. No logical way that permits such delay at the moment. Come Jan 20, 2025, at exactly 12 noon. Donald Trump will be the next president of the United States!!!
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mic6399
Nov 19, 2024 10:11am
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To be fair, any attack within Russia, is not like a defensive action from Ukraine. It smore like a show off and provoke againts the big bear. In my opinion Ukraine simply can not win this war, and there is no point making a global conflict out of it. In every means all nations supporting Ukraine, should go towards peace, giving up territory that is already bombarded, make it a DMZ. Agree that Russia won't attack Ukraine, agree that NATO will not put missle systems into Ukrain, and they won't join NATO. So no provoking actions going to take place...
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Trader#ED4D
Nov 19, 2024 1:45am
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Quoting silverau
start a world war, a tactic to delay/stop the new president inauguration?
American Constitution is very clear on this. No logical way to stop the newly elected president at the moment.
By Jan 20 2025 at 12 noon...Trump will be the new president!!!
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Luxyus
Nov 19, 2024 1:23am
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Polimini
Nov 19, 2024 3:12am
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Does this makes things better in any way? hard to see how.
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Nick.
Dec 2, 2024 3:50am
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 20, 2024 3:06am
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i think what is happenin in Ukr needs to also happen in every single country represented by ppl online today n everyday. THEN ppl will all feel the heat of these situations. not being sadisitic only realistic. ppl today are inhuman n talk lots o talk but have no idea about anythin really these days. !!every man for emself!! also brings on !!an eye for an eye!!. its all part of da same vernacular. i think interneters are fuckin funny. ya talk alot o shit AND are great amusement. ofc if someone can find an alternative to what i said here, to give all ppl a taste of what it all feels like then that might be a better option. maybe. but i dont think itll stop til a major concern of a sizable nature presents, that ppl will stop talkin shit n be human again. ppl are part of da problem. theres no escapin this fact. have fun
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 21, 2024 2:07am
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if the issue of this article was an ocean that is 10miles deep, all da !!talk! on here is only penetratin the first 100m. think that over. i know u interneters LUUV talkin crud so its easy to push ur talk aside n get back to the real issues. recurrin themes among all da articles like this one === have fun
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 21, 2024 2:15am
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i sympathize with da ukrainian people who have now become nothin but talkin points for scared lil kiddies all over who LUUV to yak but SHOW they prefer gossip n news rather than seekin real solutions to help ppl.

incomin message from da ukrainian people for you == !! dont call us we'll call you !!
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 21, 2024 10:17pm
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Quoting Nick.
{quote}Have a listen. Maybe you change your mind. https://youtu.be/e3DTJww_zOc?si=jAcb99lamOJ9AgWg
yes they luv tellin da truth to all dont they
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Scran
Nov 19, 2024 2:32am
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Who is to say that they may have already done. and are just waiting.
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Scran
Nov 19, 2024 2:34am
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Supposed to have attached to a previous statement about Ukraine and nuclear power stations and arming missiles with uranium.
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 20, 2024 6:02pm
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Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Does this crazy nonsense, with multiple logical and rhetorical flaws, apply to you too? It looks more like self-portrait, actually. You rails against "internet users" for being ignorant and detached yet contributes nothing constructive. 1. you've presented a morally bankrupt premise. You want the world to burn because you think the ashes will teach everyone a lesson. It's grotesque. Suggesting that global war and pain are tools for enlightenment - lazy and dumb. Putinazi started this: 2008 Georgia, 2014 Ukraine. Unfortunately,...
what i said == 2 reasons = to see reactions from ppl. and to flush out da real issues.

all the possible solutions ppl round talk bout have been tried over n over n over again for years decades centuries. THEY DONT WORK. if u need to visit human history to understand this then go ahead. but use ur brain not ur opinion, if thats possible.

in the end of anythin of a large nough scale, its not ur !!strong people!! (police, private security, military etc) who are required to step up n face the situation then solve the problem to its conclusion, its the general citizenry. after all ur strong people are gone, whos left? ur ppl in positions of power influence etc who are addicted to and ensnared by the power n influence??? yeah i dont think so.

now to today = citizenry ppl today are mainly soft headed soft bodied, FULL o opinion but really nothin more. ur self centered, slow to think n try desperately not to think about what would happen (to YOU) if it all showed up on ur front door step. so enough o da BULLSHIT that you care !!!!!! until it reaches YOU its all talk n opinions. no merit, no strength, no nothin!!!

i wasnt being callice or cold blooded. i brought to attention just how much BULLSHIT ppl round now love to speak. ya dont want ANY responsibility do ya hah????? as long as ya can fuck, eat, make money n bullshit about issues then what does it matter right?

its simple, you are not da internet. if youve forgotten that then its ur problem. real things happen in real life but online its talk talk talk. so ur attempt to psychoanalyze me is pointless. ur talkin bullshit n im talkin about puttin da internet aside for a while, mainly so ppl cant hide behind it, and now lets see what ppl think n talk bout. lets see what ya know n understand. what ya choose to ignore. what ur terrified to speak about.

buddy im not afraid to die. but that dont mean im crazy.

its easy to see how ppl avoid the REAL ISSUES. ur leaders arent the main problem. their choices arent either. theyre only PART of da problem. the LACK OF INVOLVEMENT BY THE GENERAL CITIZENRY is a real problem. them not understanding the real issues and dismissin the other main issues is a HUGE problem.

See da difference interneter? yes to me u !!might be!! a real person but online ur no different to the other ppl online === interneter. opinion, talk. another opinion, talk. on and on. so === no respect without any merit of real understanding of da real issues. and no understanding means all ya got is opinions.

so ===== do i sound like an !!interneter!! .... or is it more likely that its easy to see when ppl talk bullshit.

so ill say it again so we're clear === all ur opinions bout all this is pointless. theyve ALL been tried n tested n THEY DONT WORK! and neither does the general public pretending !!its not their problem!!.

soft headed, soft bodied. if u cant tell da difference between real discussion n interneters talkin shit i feel sorry for ya. have fun
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 21, 2024 1:53am
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Quoting W0lfram
{quote} Does this crazy delusional nonsense apply to yo too, interneter? {quote} That's for sure. Your post drew attention for its size and not for its logical content. You are talking shit online for which you bear no responsibility. Have fun, Peter.
i luv it when ppl try da ol switcharoo !!!

i dont see ANY logical content in any of these article discussions, ever.

why dont u go try all your !!opinions/solutions!! out on the real world n see what trump n putin n chinas leaders n anyone else really says bout em ==== or DOES with em. ppl like u live in a dream land with all ur talk bout ceasefires n peace talks n all da rest of it. about da UN n nato n how da US is better or worse n russia n any other country.

ofc anythin i said is not logical to online bullshit artists who would shit their pants at the first sign of REAL violence n warring activity. THATS why ur online !!talkin about it all! === bcoz youve nothin to offer to da real world about these issues. so my points made are completely valid.

by me talkin about these things that YOU ppl completely refrain from discussin or identifyin, is evidence enough that i take responsibility for myself.

nothin but ppl who couldnt figure out how to get a toy car outta a cardboard box. and whats worse ya have no interest in tryin to change that. so what do ya bring to the table ??? talk? online banter? tough talk without anythin real.

so yeah = blame da leaders n any country for the woes n sorrows u interneters groan about THAT ARE ALL COMPLETELY STOPPABLE/AVOIDABLE/PREVENTABLE. choose the word u hate most or doesnt make you squeal like a pig.

your dumbass leaders n da tyrants etc are all there bcoz ur soft headed n refuse to see what they really are == a problem that u cannot solve n will not solve. so its no surprise why U are not being asked to solve any of da problems u ppl LUV yakkin about. ur too busy with gossip. thats what ur addicted to so no ones gonna ask U to resolve da issues = up to the present all uve shown is the intrest in urself. never da big picture n big problems.

so hows ur bullshit meter fairin now hah? ur not talkin to some moron ur talkin to a person who looks at what ur too scared to. THAT is what marks da difference. gossip n BS vs lookin harder. have fun n i hope u change ur ways
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oochiwaawaa
Nov 25, 2024 5:52pm
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u ppl watch far too much tv
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