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  • #41
  • Nov 7, 2024 5:39am Nov 7, 2024 5:39am
Yeah this approach is old but gold, discussed many times on forums but despite its simplicity it's more like an art that's why hard to master. Still the rules and theory is dead simple which makes it so popular
  • #42
  • Nov 7, 2024 1:51pm Nov 7, 2024 1:51pm
Thanks for your input I've moved on slightly,
I've still got to learn there are certain days
I shouldn't trade
Also, I've got to learn to look at the chart and where I have put my lines ON the daily HIGH and LOW and yesterday's Daily HIGH and Daily LOW,
I also only trade when the UK and USD are open using the OCR LO indicator. I only have to worry about fake breakouts; the rest is easier.
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  • #43
  • Nov 10, 2024 9:30am Nov 10, 2024 9:30am
Quoting redfan
Did anyone get these trades this morning, I set them up Last night and then completely forgot about them I got completely distracted, For me that just about sums up trading If I would have checked the forex calendar this morning I would have made a nice bag of money, {image} GB news went up all over {image} {image} {image} {image}
What are the green and red arrows on your charts?
Are they part of an indicator?
  • #44
  • Nov 18, 2024 8:36am Nov 18, 2024 8:36am
I've got this indicator from the mt4 library I think it originates in Russia,
I've used it twice and trades have been successful basically it actually moving constantly you will see a line Jump from one side to the other and then connect them in the middle when this line jumps to the two ends expect I move that's about all I can tell you if anyone knows how to use it the correct way please let me know,
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  • #45
  • Nov 18, 2024 8:38am Nov 18, 2024 8:38am
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see how it jump
  • #46
  • Nov 18, 2024 8:45am Nov 18, 2024 8:45am
Have you seen the name of this indicator
someone's been brave to say it shows you the future,
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  • #47
  • Nov 18, 2024 8:47am Nov 18, 2024 8:47am
Don't forget everyone if anyone knows how to use it please share
  • #48
  • Nov 18, 2024 8:47am Nov 18, 2024 8:47am
Quoting redfan
I've got this indicator from the mt4 library I think it originates in Russia, I've used it twice and trades have been successful basically it actually moving constantly you will see a line Jump from one side to the other and then connect them in the middle when this line jumps to the two ends expect I move that's about all I can tell you if anyone knows how to use it the correct way please let me know,{file} {image}
Googled the author of the idea behind the indicator and this result came up :

https://www.mql5.com/en/articles/9868
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  • #49
  • Nov 18, 2024 8:49am Nov 18, 2024 8:49am
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  • #50
  • Nov 18, 2024 9:21am Nov 18, 2024 9:21am
The indicator consists of three lines — Sell (red), Buy (blue) and trader line (yellow).

Follow the yellow line that is the trade line
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  • #51
  • Nov 18, 2024 10:04am Nov 18, 2024 10:04am
Quoting redfan
The indicator consists of three lines — Sell (red), Buy (blue) and trader line (yellow). Follow the yellow line that is the trade line{image}
These type of indicators repaint massively, past will always look good, try it in strategy tester using past charts.
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  • #52
  • Nov 18, 2024 5:07pm Nov 18, 2024 5:07pm
I will try these 3
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let's see if the yellow takes us into the Future.
  • #53
  • Dec 3, 2024 9:44am Dec 3, 2024 9:44am
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Accumulation is where the Market is absorbing Sell Orders to push Prices higher and the Opposite for Distribution where the market is absorbing Buy Orders to push prices lower. Manipulation is when the market throws a fake breakout from these zones, Wyckoff calls this a "Spring". The Price push is Mark Up or Mark Down, which can be manipuation if there is a significant previous High or Low nearby. Rapid Moves are more associated with Red News Events or World Events or even CB speeches. Which you should avoid as you cannot tell which way...
I have a question: Would this be a correct example of AMD? Specifically: the purple part as accumulation, the blue part as manipulation, and the turquoise part as distribution. If you disagree, could you please elaborate and explain why? I’m open to learning and improving my understanding.

I want to clarify that I am not an experienced trader, so I’d greatly appreciate legitimate advice and constructive feedback. Thank you in advance!
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  • #54
  • Dec 3, 2024 10:09am Dec 3, 2024 10:09am
Quoting callme-bambi
{quote} I have a question: Would this be a correct example of AMD? Specifically: the purple part as accumulation, the blue part as manipulation, and the turquoise part as distribution. If you disagree, could you please elaborate and explain why? I’m open to learning and improving my understanding. I want to clarify that I am not an experienced trader, so I’d greatly appreciate legitimate advice and constructive feedback. Thank you in advance! {image}
The purple part is the mark up from the previous zone( not entirely visible) where the Sell Orders are being absorbed.

You have to look at the context of a reversal from accumulation or distribution of the prevailing trend (Mark Up or Mark Down).

Accumulation & Distribution zones are normally tight ranges, which the Purple zone is not.
Has the trend reversed in the Blue zone ? Did Sell Orders get absorbed & reversed ?
The Blue zone could be Accumulation if the move continues up as you suggest.

See diagram:

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  • #55
  • Dec 3, 2024 10:34am Dec 3, 2024 10:34am
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} The purple part is the mark up from the previous zone( not entirely visible) where the Sell Orders are being absorbed. You have to look at the context of a reversal from accumulation or distribution of the prevailing trend (Mark Up or Mark Down). Accumulation & Distribution zones are normally tight ranges, which the Purple zone is not. Has the trend reversed in the Blue zone ? Did Sell Orders get absorbed & reversed ? The Blue zone could be Accumulation if the move continues up as you suggest. See diagram: {image}
Attached is the complete chart, showing the current GBP/USD on a 2-hour timeframe.

If I understood you correctly, you’re suggesting that the part I marked as accumulation (purple) is actually the distribution, and the price action on the left represents the accumulation. Is that correct? If so, I see your point, but I’m struggling to understand one thing: Where is the "spring" phase on the left that caused the markup leading into the distribution?
Additionally, I have another question: If the price moves up around the area I marked as distribution, does that mean a markdown doesn’t necessarily have to occur every time?
To answer your questions:

  1. No, this is the current GBP/USD chart, so nothing has happened yet.

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  • #56
  • Edited 1:21pm Dec 3, 2024 12:55pm | Edited 1:21pm
Quoting callme-bambi
{quote} Attached is the complete chart, showing the current GBP/USD on a 2-hour timeframe. If I understood you correctly, you’re suggesting that the part I marked as accumulation (purple) is actually the distribution, and the price action on the left represents the accumulation. Is that correct? If so, I see your point, but I’m struggling to understand one thing: Where is the "spring" phase on the left that caused the markup leading into the distribution? Additionally, I have another question: If the price moves up around the area I marked as distribution,...
I said the purple area is the Mark Up as it left an accumulation zone.

Forex has a tendency to Gap over the weekend, the Accumulation is occuring in the Gap between the NY Close and the Sydney Open, the "Spring" you are looking for was both ways Up & Down before finally leaving to form the zone you marked in Purple (MARK UP). A clear directional move, which then starts to become a "Distribution zone" (Loking for Buyers to Sell into), hence the drop in Price.

Mark Up is market forming Higher Highs and vice versa for Mark Down. If the market is strugglig to make New Highs or Lows we are in a range or Accumulation / Distribution depending on what happens next.

I have marked up your specific TF, ofc things would look very different on a lower or higher TF but as Markets are Fractal you will see the similar patterns forming. IMHO Higher timeframes have more significance.

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  • #57
  • Dec 3, 2024 2:41pm Dec 3, 2024 2:41pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} I said the purple area is the Mark Up as it left an accumulation zone. Forex has a tendency to Gap over the weekend, the Accumulation is occuring in the Gap between the NY Close and the Sydney Open, the "Spring" you are looking for was both ways Up & Down before finally leaving to form the zone you marked in Purple (MARK UP). A clear directional move, which then starts to become a "Distribution zone" (Loking for Buyers to Sell into), hence the drop in Price. Mark Up is market forming Higher Highs and vice versa for Mark Down. If the market...
I’ve attached 2 screenshots for better understanding.

In the first screenshot, you can see the current market structure for GBP/USD, and in the second screenshot, you can see my attempt at correcting my technical analysis using your answers as reference.

The only reason I’m asking so many questions is because I am genuinely curious and want to understand it better and improve as a trader. By no means do I intend this in any provocative or annoying way. I’m not trying to be a smarta$$, but why does the market slowly move in the direction I initially marked? Because right now, it seems to me that I marked it more or less accurately “in theory” (accumulation, manipulation, and now moving into distribution).

Now, back to your answer:
I was wondering why your markings for the “Spring” and the zones in general (a + d) are so uneven and all over the place. In your first answer, you posted a picture with the basic Wyckoff explanation, and my question is: why did you mark the “Spring” in the middle of A and at the beginning of D on my chart (does the Spring have to come at the end of the phases)? And how come the accumulation phase is relatively clear, but the distribution phase seems kind of forced and unclear?

Again, I am very eager to learn, hence all the questions. I really appreciate your help, and I thank you for your patience!
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  • #58
  • Dec 3, 2024 3:59pm Dec 3, 2024 3:59pm
Quoting callme-bambi
{quote} Again, I am very eager to learn, hence all the questions. I really appreciate your help, and I thank you for your patience! {image} {image}
How does your first chart show you Market Structure ?
Who is in control & where ?

Your second chart accumulation is drawn incorrectly imo. Look again.

The Gap Up can be deemed as an Engulf of the previous Friday Bear Candle, can it not ?
As does the extremely long wicks in a lower TF.

What is the significance of an Engulf Pattern ?
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  • #59
  • Edited Dec 4, 2024 9:28am Dec 3, 2024 6:28pm | Edited Dec 4, 2024 9:28am
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} How does your first chart show you Market Structure ? Who is in control & where ? Your second chart accumulation is drawn incorrectly imo. Look again. The Gap Up can be deemed as an Engulf of the previous Friday Bear Candle, can it not ? As does the extremely long wicks in a lower TF. What is the significance of an Engulf Pattern ?
I tried to improve my technical analysis by looking at the basic Wyckoff explanation that you provided. Would this be correct in your opinion and what could I perhaps improve?

Well now that you've mentioned it, yes it could theoretically be regarded as a bullish Engulfing pattern (higher and 'lowest' timeframe) and maybe even as a bullish Harami (lower timeframe). If I remember correctly, both patterns indicate a possible bullish reversal, which is obviously the case in this example.

To answer your question:
Depends on what Engulfing pattern it is, but in this case it would indicate a bullish revesal, since it's a bullish engulfing.

Back to my question from the previous post:
Does the Spring have to come at the end of each phase as shown in the explanation that you provided or should it just be "more or less at the end"? And how come the accumulation phase is relatively 'clear', but the distribution phase seems kind of small, forced and unclear? Is it normal that the distribution phase is so narrow and kinda cramped?

Edit: I attached another screenshot, where I was just experimenting and looking for certain patterns, etc.
I was wondering if this could be a new accumulation phase (second screenshot) or if it’s too soon to tell?
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  • #60
  • Dec 4, 2024 12:00am Dec 4, 2024 12:00am
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false break down to look for stops at the first blue arrow and maybe the current break to start going up again black arrow. at least that's how I see it
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