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  • #381
  • Sep 2, 2024 3:13pm Sep 2, 2024 3:13pm
Quoting djahidait
{quote} You're hinting that brokers make retailers lose money on purpose.
Oh, come on, a broker would never do that, they are the good guys (fake or real?)

https://www.ft.com/content/1b5dcd8c-...3-00144feab7de

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  • #382
  • Sep 2, 2024 6:37pm Sep 2, 2024 6:37pm
Quoting Erebus
{quote} Oh, come on, a broker would never do that, they are the good guys (fake or real?) https://www.ft.com/content/1b5dcd8c-...3-00144feab7de
There is brokers "Conflict of interest " but not all of them and we're not talking about who's good, they are a business after all they make money from us by commission and spread.
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  • #383
  • Sep 2, 2024 8:38pm Sep 2, 2024 8:38pm
Quoting djahidait
{quote} You're hinting that brokers make retailers lose money on purpose.
nope. im saying that some people pay their entry fee to then enter disneyland but at some point forget that its all make believe/fake/not built out of reality. thats NOT what youre suggesting. not even close. if people wanna dress up to be snow white or some other !!character!! in disneylands' worlds created by their storytellin then fine. BUT dont sit there n expect everyone to be as blind or naive/gullible to go along with it.

!!i have all this experience/ive been tradin for yrs n yrs/i leared how to trade/this is how its done in real life!!! etc etc ......... and after alls said n done, they all use ............... a chart to tell em whats what. a speculator who thinks theyre something more/else. if ya all think its namecallin BS then stop being a kid.

although ...... anyone with a real working brain at some point === would HAVE TO ask the question = !!why dont the brokers offer complete transparency regarding the industry processes and their own processes??!! mmmmm? so the fucknuckles and losers round the place who talk the same BS n put ya on ignore coz !!they dont like what ya say!! (IF you did that to someone in real life youd get puched or worse coz its considered EXTREMELY disrespectful n rude) only add to the ever growing mountain of inhuman BS. online people are very funny....... have fun
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  • #384
  • Sep 2, 2024 8:47pm Sep 2, 2024 8:47pm
Why are most retail traders usually on the wrong side of the market?

you start n end being a !!retailer!! BUT then you get called out for being only that despite all the chest pumpin n !!chats n posts!! and do everything possible to leave that title behind, but dont bother doing anything different to actually learn about the world so u try to hide ur just a speculator by joining websites.

the wrong side of what? whats a market? what type of market? the derivatives market? the underwriters market? the production market? which one ?

gotta luv online stuffing inside the turkey have fun
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  • #385
  • Sep 2, 2024 9:45pm Sep 2, 2024 9:45pm
I think liquidity providers and interbank transections are manipulated buying and selling orders. They have to do this because when buying order set, there must be matched with selling order, vice versa. So SL, TP, Pending Orders are all orders. Whichever prices are set, there must be opposite set. Whenever you enter and set prices, you are already manipulated.
Just my rookie thought
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  • #386
  • Sep 3, 2024 2:40am Sep 3, 2024 2:40am
Quoting oochiwaawaa
but i reckon many will continue trying to suck their own dicks and keep falling off the couch and wonder !!why??
I bet u can tell us how to successfully do that too oochi.
  • #387
  • Sep 3, 2024 9:02pm Sep 3, 2024 9:02pm
Quoting Danger-Mouse
{quote} I bet u can tell us how to successfully do that too oochi.
its possible you have waaaaay too much time on ur hands bud.

but u make a good point = IF i really know how to do it, why do i only show the bare minimum online? a great question for all the !!experienced traders etc!! online today. it was probbly the same when television first came out n entered peoples lives. n the same when mobile phones became peoples best friends n fuck buddies. any sub base accounts i run are not there to !!trade!! theyre a means to keep an eye on da broker/s n their activities, for reasons i will not say here. rule n regulations are one thing, followin em are another. cynical dumb people say its all da same in every market n instrument etc. same with the person who thinks coz they can withdraw funds from atm from their profitable tradin, makes it real. have fun
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  • #388
  • Sep 4, 2024 3:28pm Sep 4, 2024 3:28pm
Missed my own signals on this pair, too many distractions, sentiment? retail is right, 51% (short) is a landslide in an election

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  • #389
  • Sep 6, 2024 6:45pm Sep 6, 2024 6:45pm
Big 800 pips win for going OPPOSITE the retail sentiment this week.

If you don't understand the theory or the table, just ask.

Or if you spot any flaws or mistakes, please tell me.

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  • #390
  • Sep 6, 2024 9:19pm Sep 6, 2024 9:19pm
We're on the wrong side of the market because most of us want to use whatever setup we're using without looking to see if there's any real volatity at that particular time in the market

You could trade patterns and make it work, but if the set-up doesn't have enough volatity behind it, it's not gonna carry through
  • #391
  • Sep 6, 2024 9:49pm Sep 6, 2024 9:49pm
Quoting Erebus
Big 800 pips win for going OPPOSITE the retail sentiment this week. If you don't understand the theory or the table, just ask. Or if you spot any flaws or mistakes, please tell me. {image} {image}
that is luck and bullshit, sorry
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  • #392
  • Sep 7, 2024 1:59am Sep 7, 2024 1:59am
Quoting hazelj80
We're on the wrong side of the market because most of us want to use whatever setup we're using without looking to see if there's any real volatity at that particular time in the market You could trade patterns and make it work, but if the set-up doesn't have enough volatity behind it, it's not gonna carry through
As much as I like your spelling, "volatity", it could be better, how about, "volatitty", new name for my system, TTT, Trading The Titty.

Yes, patterns or anything could work; this is not my idea, the generic idea of trading OPPOSITE to retail sentiment has been around for years.

And yet, no one has any record of it, why is that? Could possibly work?

Question everything, they say, I guess it up to me!
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  • #393
  • Sep 7, 2024 2:01am Sep 7, 2024 2:01am
Quoting ScalaFX
{quote} that is luck and bullshit, sorry
Don't be sorry, I'm just trying to prove or disprove the old saying about sentiment.

I'll take either when it comes to real live pips!

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  • #394
  • Sep 7, 2024 3:54am Sep 7, 2024 3:54am
simply because 95% of trader haven't watch mark douglas 'trading phsycology' on YT or read his books
  • #395
  • Sep 7, 2024 9:39am Sep 7, 2024 9:39am
Quoting miko.forex
simply because 95% of trader haven't watch mark douglas 'trading phsycology' on YT or read his books
but he was no good trader too. its not so easy , that trading psychologie is enough (yes, its a smaller part , but by far not most important).
  • #396
  • Sep 7, 2024 12:47pm Sep 7, 2024 12:47pm
Quoting Erebus
{quote} As much as I like your spelling, "volatity", it could be better, how about, "volatitty", new name for my system, TTT, Trading The Titty. Yes, patterns or anything could work; this is not my idea, the generic idea of trading OPPOSITE to retail sentiment has been around for years. And yet, no one has any record of it, why is that? Could possibly work? Question everything, they say, I guess it up to me!
Well another thought to have is you have retail traders that trade "with the trend" or trade "contrairian" or "against the trend" and both can be stopped out of trades

I guess it's about who's more correct about their trading style and who isn't
  • #397
  • Sep 7, 2024 2:44pm Sep 7, 2024 2:44pm
Quoting hazelj80
{quote} Well another thought to have is you have retail traders that trade "with the trend" or trade "contrarian" or "against the trend" and both can be stopped out of trades I guess it's about who's more correct about their trading style and who isn't
Here is the thing, for me, I've reduced it to a Yes or No situation, Long or Short, black or white; there is no need for "another thought" or having a "correct trading style".

And in case anyone missed, the table shows every pair, so this is a basket method, using the sentiment of the overall market, but it is useful on individual pair also.

Let's look at the highest pip result of last week, step by step:

At the beginning of the week, retail sentiment for GBPJPY was Long 54% and Short 46% - in this case, IF the Long is wrong, we will Short the market on Monday.

No more chart analysis, no more thoughts, no more trading style; just SELL, that's it.

As you can easily see, when this bias is taken, and price goes below the weekly open, regular price analysis could help you read the chart for profits.

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  • #398
  • Sep 7, 2024 7:08pm Sep 7, 2024 7:08pm
In the world of forex so vast,
Retail traders make trades fast,
Sentiment they seek,
For profits to peak,
But trends change and never last.

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  • #399
  • Sep 13, 2024 5:51pm Sep 13, 2024 5:51pm
Can you believe it?
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  • #400
  • Nov 20, 2024 4:40am Nov 20, 2024 4:40am
Quoting BubaYaga
Risk Reward Ratio in itself is not an edge, is simply what I am saying. And you can't compare a 1:3 R:R trade to a coin flip, because a coin flip is 50/50. 1:1 R:R would be more applicable for coin flip.

hey !baba!! ya think what i talk bout is boring, pleeease !!

ive taken a look at what you talk bout = what a stumped heel. just like all da !!traders!! round da place. talk bout appropriated information.

YES a fuckin ratio eg R:R can be an edge on its own JUST NOT IN UR Hands clearly. lets talk REAL figures shall we hmmmm !

if someone uses a 1=1 ratio they should shutdown their tradin and get a hobby. they clearly dont understand da ratio type theyre tryin to use. not til u start usin say, 1=6 or above. EASILY or above. SO MANY ppl talk shit .... like you. if u do a split trade WITH minimum RR RATIO NECESSARY of 1=7 then NOW ur showin a natural edge usin RR. price either matures or it devalues. its simple. retailers dont understand this n you website folk talk shit up or down n u dont know where ur thumb stops up ur ass. its fuckin funny as hell ===== have fun fudgeknuckle
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