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  • #2,141
  • Sep 1, 2024 6:27pm Sep 1, 2024 6:27pm
Could someone please assist me with some TS questions. JN has been very helpful in this regard and as I am not a TS user I am not familiar with any of the functions or applications so a basic walk through and explanation would be appreciated. I wanted to put forward a scenario and how TS could help with the analysis.
On the SP there appears to be an important date coming up on the 5-6th Sep so I wanted to understand how we can use the functions to try to establish if this point will either set up as a potential Top or counter trend Low. On Aug 20th we had a full Moon and the price ran up to this point in which the trend stalled but we did move slightly higher into the last quarter - my calculations point towards 5-6th but at the moment I'm not sure if we could either Top into that date which looks like the strongest possibility or form counter trend Low so the only way of knowing is to wait for that point to roll in and hopefully the position of the market will tell us.
Aug 31st we have the Helio Earth square Jupiter aspect seperating
Sept 1st we have Helio Venus trine Saturn and trine Node
Sept 5th Helio Venus trine Saturn
Sept 6th Earth conjunct Saturn and Moon at 0° Sth declination and on the 2nd Uranus goes retrograde.

So we have a few aspects leading into the target date so I am just wondering about the process that TS would use to study the data. These aspects could either occur at market tops or bottoms or even in sideways periods especially the Earth Saturn conjunction which would traditionally be associated with lows but in several instances it has occured at or very close to market Tops so even malefic aspects can be associated with Tops
It would be good to understand the logic behind the TS functions on a very basic level and how I could integrate or apply this into my analysis. Thanks
  • #2,142
  • Edited 5:19am Sep 2, 2024 5:03am | Edited 5:19am
Quoting Lonestar52
Hello THT just wondering if the program your using allows you to take an angle between two planets and project it forward in increments of say 15° and 30° for the larger planets and 90° 180° and a full rotation for the smaller ones. I have just contacted Solar Fire to see if they are able to do this as I'm not sure of a program that can perform this function . As an example on a certain date Helio mars is 131° and Helio Jupiter is at 49° an angle of 82° so I wanted to progress this angle forward in 90 120 180 and a full rotation. Have been doing...
Hi Lonestar52 - If you quote the post it pulls everything through and alerts the user of contact - I don't often go back through a thread, so got this by pure chance

I use cycle-timer which does exactly as you are asking - you download csv prices into it and then you can do whatever progressions forward from a price point, which calculates the position of the 2 planets then moves them forward, it also allows you to progress at a multiple other than one, so you could move it by say 1.618 or 1.4142 etc - Its not a full Astrology package though, its just ASTRO, if you need Astrology, then solar fire etc will do that part much better

This chart just shows 1 calc, I could add multiple other calcs of differing planets on different degrees, from either the same starting point or choose any starting point I wish

PS - Square root the synodic angle and it was pretty close to the low price of the SP500 on the 2009 low! Then notice the 45 degree angle sweeping through 0 degs (conjunction) and back out to 45 degs - High this time not a low! 45 deg separation seems to be important at THAT particular degree

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  • #2,143
  • Sep 2, 2024 7:16am Sep 2, 2024 7:16am
Quoting carbonmimeti
USDCAD weekly chart: the 2 trendlines (green and fuchsia) are not classic trendlines but rather planetary longitudes of Neptune (green) Saturn (fuchsia). Pluto 45°(black).... it could extend the descent to 1.34 (psychological support) but has now touched this nice support. In the image you can also see the angular coefficient used so that anyone can replicate it with Timing Solution. Let's see if it forms a bullish pattern on lower TFs {image}
from post 2137:
the planetary line has stopped the collapse....from a geometric point of view, the angular trendline of 354° appears once again and the circle placed on the last TOP (not on the spike). NOW: on September 4th CAD will decide on the rates...if they keep them firm or if they lower them then USD will fly and everyone will say that it is thanks to the rate....from my point of view it is thanks to the planets...but this is another story...... and I won't be able to say it with certainty since the "astro" topic is the most damned complex I've ever encountered!!!

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  • #2,144
  • Sep 2, 2024 7:19am Sep 2, 2024 7:19am
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} Hi Lonestar52 - If you quote the post it pulls everything through and alerts the user of contact - I don't often go back through a thread, so got this by pure chance I use cycle-timer which does exactly as you are asking - you download csv prices into it and then you can do whatever progressions forward from a price point, which calculates the position of the 2 planets then moves them forward, it also allows you to progress at a multiple other than one, so you could move it by say 1.618 or 1.4142 etc - Its not a full Astrology package though,...
your writings are always appreciated....as soon as I have 5 minutes I will reply to your email....I just turned on the PC after a short break
  • #2,145
  • Sep 2, 2024 7:25am Sep 2, 2024 7:25am
Quoting Lonestar52
Could someone please assist me with some TS questions. JN has been very helpful in this regard and as I am not a TS user I am not familiar with any of the functions or applications so a basic walk through and explanation would be appreciated. I wanted to put forward a scenario and how TS could help with the analysis. On the SP there appears to be an important date coming up on the 5-6th Sep so I wanted to understand how we can use the functions to try to establish if this point will either set up as a potential Top or counter trend Low. On Aug 20th...
Hi, I'm just starting out in using TS...I used it a few years ago but then abandoned it due to its complexity and MY GREAT IGNORANCE in the ASTRO field...from this year I'm using it again but not I use planetary aspects until I figure out how to use them....too much subjectivity IS NOT GOOD. HOWEVER, I found the planetary lines very useful. If you go to the homepage there are lots of guides online and you have to arm yourself with patience in reading them.

in any case if you are looking for help in drawing planetary lines, I can help you....I have no problems. I recommend you read DANIELE PRANDELLI's book... it opened my eyes!
  • #2,146
  • Sep 2, 2024 8:49am Sep 2, 2024 8:49am
Quoting carbonmimeti
{quote} your writings are always appreciated....as soon as I have 5 minutes I will reply to your email....I just turned on the PC after a short break
No worries or rush - I've just got back from hols too - Happy trading
  • #2,147
  • Sep 13, 2024 10:25am Sep 13, 2024 10:25am
Quoting fundiwambao
I missed the downfall to be honest :/ Was 'busy' with other things ( slapping self ) The math: sin(30) * high of marked top ( numerical equivalent full number ) --> sin(30) * 73.148 (high x 100) = -72.2725372391 -72.2725372391 / 3 = -24.0908457464 [ ignore the sign ] Thus look for turns every 24.0908457464 candles ( x0.5, x1, x1.5, x2, etc etc) Why divide by 3? Jenkins books mention the significance of numbers 2, 3 and 5 I personally divide by 3 and by 4 and see which fits best What the candle counts do is ALERT and warn you to be on the lookout...

Is there a video explaining this method?
I would be grateful
  • #2,148
  • Sep 14, 2024 3:37am Sep 14, 2024 3:37am
Thanks the info is very helpful . I just wrote something today which I have copied in here so any advice would be appreciated

There are two approaches I would like to explore to see how the software can be used in this regard. In the first instance I have calculated a potential counter trend Top coming in on AMZN either September 17th or 20th so there is three day time window between the dates . THT was kind enough to demonstrate the softwares ability to take the angular distance between two planets and project that distance forward in intervals of 90° and 180° etc but my question is can we take a point in the future and project this same calculation backwards. In using the synodic cycles we are presented with a myriad of different combinations which increases significantly when using both Helio and Geo positions and sometimes I think we may have to work through quote a portion of the combinations if we are " able" to project backwards to locate a link in point to the projected 17th or 20th September counter trend Top.
As an example just using Geo Sun we come up with these combinations
Sun Venus
Sun Mars
Sun Jupiter
Sun Saturn
Sun Uranus
Which presents 5 different combinations alone using only Geo Sun so having a computer program that could project these synodic cycles back in harmonic intervals to see whether they align against the 17th September would be very convenient as it would be time consuming to both calculate and project each individual cycle manually as we don't know at this point in time whether we are linking up with a Helio or Geo cycle and which pair we are connected to without running out most of the combinations and filtering them to see which ones have a close match as it could be any one of 20 combinations and without testing and trying to link each one independently we could overlook the one that may be related so manually this is an exhaustive process and if the software does have the ability to take a future based projection point and project backwards that would help a lot
  • #2,149
  • Sep 14, 2024 7:25am Sep 14, 2024 7:25am
Quoting Pnaveen
انعكاسات الزمن في دائرة 360 درجة... https://youtu.be/qipAT6Hk1dc https://youtu.be/n5cgw__XI0c https://youtu.be/VlSIur-LPUs https://youtu.be/-IGp7F9XINQ
Thank you, looking forward to more.
  • #2,150
  • Sep 15, 2024 5:02am Sep 15, 2024 5:02am
In this example I wanted to put forward some research on amzn and how to use the TS software to assemble or formulate a forecast. Firstly there are three potential dates that I have calculated where counter trend top could come in which are 18th or 20th or 24th. These dates are connected to the Sept 9th 2021 counter trend top so I am trying to determine which one of these dates is the true repeat point. In the previous cycle Sun trine Uranus was exact on Sept 6th and began seperating on 8th Sept after the top was formed and on the 18th Sept we have a similar formation developing with this same aspect applying around Sept 18th and seperating around 20th so this matching aspect is occurring between the 18th and 20th which aligns with my two target dates but trying to determine which one is the correct repeat point is tricky although the timing date does culminate around the full Moon.
The question I have is how could we use TS to assist with this forecast - we have two future dates of either 18 or 20th where top is projected so we would be looking for the software to confirm this viewpoint. as I have never used this software nor am I familiar with how its method of calculations in assembling a curve so a basic step by step explanation of each method would be appreciated.
Based on the expectation of a Top into either the 18th or 20th would the first step be to examine the main aspects leading up into that date either Geo or Helio and using those aspects as a form of inputs and running a test to see how the market performed historically under those same aspects so by isolating and selecting say the two or three main aspects between now and the 20th we could have say three dominant aspects as a template and then would the software perform a historical test to establish the percentage wave likelihood of top or something else into the target date. I think there is also some type of annual or seasonal graph that I saw with the signs listed below would that also be used as a step in the process thanks
  • #2,151
  • Sep 17, 2024 3:12am Sep 17, 2024 3:12am
Thinking about getting TS but have a few questions .

Does it have the ability to draw 1x1 angles and give me the manual ability to scale at .125 .25 etc
does it also have squares of 52 90 and 144 , I used to use Gann trader which had all of these features but it's become obsolete or inoperative on my PC as it is based on a dos operating system and have tried several times to get it to work but it is just not compatible with the new PC so looking at buying TS or something similar.
Also wanted to do some work with circles drawing a radius around a swing and dividing the circle into quarters and projecting the axis out on the price chart so I don't know if basic TS can do this. In addition to this can a scale be set so that the circle is some type of incremental proportion to the price as when you compress some charts the scale is lost so wondering how this would be setup in TS. Also can a diagonal box be measured against a price swing and projected out similar to Jenkins work so that diagonal box can be divided into its quarters is this function available in TS
And one of the important functions I'm looking for is the ability to project forward in synodic cycles and also backwards from a future point which I don't know is possible , from recollection Cowan's cycle timer is able to take a future point and take the position between Mars and Jupiter as an example and project backwards in 90° intervals as an example but don't know if TS has this capability thanks
  • #2,152
  • Sep 17, 2024 9:17am Sep 17, 2024 9:17am
please read this:

https://www.timingsolution.com/Doc/level_1/7.htm

https://www.timingsolution.com/TS/St...ools/index.htm
  • #2,153
  • Sep 17, 2024 10:37am Sep 17, 2024 10:37am
Quoting Lonestar52
Thanks the info is very helpful . I just wrote something today which I have copied in here so any advice would be appreciated There are two approaches I would like to explore to see how the software can be used in this regard. In the first instance I have calculated a potential counter trend Top coming in on AMZN either September 17th or 20th so there is three day time window between the dates . THT was kind enough to demonstrate the softwares ability to take the angular distance between two planets and project that distance forward in intervals...
Missed this somehow - If you want the chart with the astro calcs you will be much better off with software - I have Cowans cycle timer version 1, I don't have planetary lines, but I should really upgrade - I also have access to TS, but have yet to download it and look at it - but I'd be fairly certain it can do it

On that chart i showed, I could pick any pairing, any angle of separation and from any anchor point and display 10 cycles on the same chart - So I know Cowans software can do it
  • #2,154
  • Sep 18, 2024 6:14am Sep 18, 2024 6:14am
Thanks for the info will have to go through it in more detail . These are the three main things I am trying to achieve with some type of software.
1: taking the peak and trough of a swing and constructing a rectangle with the diagonal and vertical and horizontal axis
2 : taking the same swing and drawing a radius around it containing the same geometric points.
3 : taking a low or high at point A using the angular seperation between two bodies and projecting that forward at set intervals , I don't know if TS can perform this function?
4 : taking a future based point and applying the same calculation but projecting the planetary intervals " backwards" so once again I am not sure if TS can perform this function but I know Cowan's software can but maybe Cowan's software does t have the same ability on using the astronomy model and seasonal graphs to construct a forecast and project a forward based curve .
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  • #2,155
  • Sep 18, 2024 7:21am Sep 18, 2024 7:21am
Quoting Lonestar52
Thanks for the info will have to go through it in more detail . These are the three main things I am trying to achieve with some type of software. 1: taking the peak and trough of a swing and constructing a rectangle with the diagonal and vertical and horizontal axis 2 : taking the same swing and drawing a radius around it containing the same geometric points. 3 : taking a low or high at point A using the angular seperation between two bodies and projecting that forward at set intervals , I don't know if TS can perform this function? 4 : taking...
Not sure on TS

Cowans is pretty fixed in its capability - TS allows you to build composite indexes, Cowans doesn't - Cowans is fixed in terms of enter a planet(s) set a degree for it to move and it will project that sequence event out into the future

Market Analyst might do everything you require?
  • #2,156
  • Sep 18, 2024 4:26pm Sep 18, 2024 4:26pm
Thanks THT I will contact a few of these programs and see what they are able to do but may have to make a compromise and get Cowan's software as it has the ability to take an angular seperation and project it forward as you have mentioned and more importantly for me project it backwards from a set future date which TS may not be able to do so that function in itself is an important factor and will eliminate most of the manual calculations and plotting.
It appears he has a particular price for customers who purchased four dimensional stock market structures so I have emailed him in this regard as I have it
Just wondering the cost of the software, the basic EOD version will suffice. It would be good if you could email me grantallen128 at yahoo.com as I would appreciate any help with this platform thanks. I guess there are two ways in applying the synodic cycles calculations , you could either take a point in the past and project forward or in some cases if I have located a potential turning point a few days or weeks into the future I could try to use that date as an anchor point and reverse engineer the synodic calculations back from that point to see if any of the intervals link in with past dates so having the ability to project backwards is a key function which is why I am leaning towards Cowan
  • #2,157
  • Sep 19, 2024 2:10am Sep 19, 2024 2:10am
Quoting Lonestar52
Thanks THT I will contact a few of these programs and see what they are able to do but may have to make a compromise and get Cowan's software as it has the ability to take an angular seperation and project it forward as you have mentioned and more importantly for me project it backwards from a set future date which TS may not be able to do so that function in itself is an important factor and will eliminate most of the manual calculations and plotting. It appears he has a particular price for customers who purchased four dimensional stock market...
Will email you too

There's probably a copyright issue with all these authors - you find one talks about A, another talks about B & C but nothing of A, then another talks about DE&F, but nothing of ABC etc - which for the trader becomes frustrating piecing everything together

4D tells part of the story - if you refer to the Uranus Square, that's also the war cycle sequence - but its not the stock market sequence - Cowan clears that up with Pentagonal Time cycle

Yes you can select a date in the future and go backwards, I did that with this chart, although these lines were input into my preferred charting software not cycle-timer, but i got the DATES from cycle-time - I wanted to see Sat/Uranus 15 degs from Dec 2016 (to be fair, this was not my discovery, Cowan shows the same calc from 1987 crash low, which was the anchor point he used when he wrote the book in 2009)

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I just have the old version of cycle timer so no planetary lines - I think part of the secret is in the planetary lines -
  • #2,158
  • Sep 19, 2024 4:39am Sep 19, 2024 4:39am
Thanks , when using synodic cycles there are multiple combinations including Geo and Helio and there are a number of points on the chart where they can be projected from so a systematic approach would be required as there are just to many possible outcomes . As an example just using Mars and the outer planets to Uranus we have
Mars Jupiter, Mars Saturn, Mars Uranus, Jupiter Saturn, Jupiter Uranus so that's five combinations and if we add Helio the number increases to ten and then we are presented with multiple turning points of significance where we can run these cycle out from . another approach would be to examine past movements in order to determine which one you are most likely running against and in the case of the DJIA as an example my calculations point towards a potential Top on 20th Sept or Oct 3rd so I wanted to incorporate the synodic cycles into my research so it would be good to take those two points individually and run the main cycles backwards backwards from those two dates to see if any past synodicb relationships link in with either one of those dates which would provide an extra degree of confirmation. I guess also straight angular intervals backwards from those points may reveal something also with Venus back 90° nd 180° etc so Cowan's software would enable a systematic approach to locate points of linkage and the ability to run these cycles backwards is an advantage.
But the only thing missing by the sounds of it is the ability to compile curves or projections which you have outlined so it's either one or the other?
It would be interesting to observe the process that TS users apply in constructing these models and understanding the logic behind it without just pressing a button and having a curve drawn for you by the software. Does the TS software examine the prevailing set of aspects over a given period and search for past similar occurrences. I have noted the Geo aspects from Sept 13th up to the 21st Sept which is one of the two dates where I have projected Top for DJIA and as you can see Geo Venus and Jupiter are seperating on 17th then Sun trine Uranus are applying on the same date then moving forward to the 20th Sun trine Pluto retrograde applying and Venus square Pluto on the 21st so would the composite process take the aspects occurring within this seven day window and search for similar sequences over the given data period
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  • #2,159
  • Sep 19, 2024 6:20am Sep 19, 2024 6:20am
Quoting Lonestar52
Thanks , when using synodic cycles there are multiple combinations including Geo and Helio and there are a number of points on the chart where they can be projected from so a systematic approach would be required as there are just to many possible outcomes . As an example just using Mars and the outer planets to Uranus we have Mars Jupiter, Mars Saturn, Mars Uranus, Jupiter Saturn, Jupiter Uranus so that's five combinations and if we add Helio the number increases to ten and then we are presented with multiple turning points of significance where...
I would ask those Q's to the software providers - I don't know TS yet - any composite is just going to repeat the cycle(s) and degs that are inputted, you might be able to skew the inputs with mathematical calcs within the software, but i don't know

The generic framework of the markets are controlled by those factors Cowan details in Pent Time cycle - going lower and you'll get some cycles that work, then they disappear, then other cycles appear etc

If you are doing Astrology calcs as well, then you may need a proper Astrology software package like solarfire or the like - I don't do Astrology, ONLY Astronomy because on the Astology front you have a gazillion of combinations on the natal chart, progressions etc
  • #2,160
  • Sep 21, 2024 6:36am Sep 21, 2024 6:36am
Have just downloaded the TS demo not sure how long the demo period is but the program looks fairly impressive . so far I have downloaded the data on the SP as a starting point and have had a general look over the dashboard. Am keen on learning how the astronomy model works so would like to put forward some thoughts and try to establish a good point to begin or start the analysis from . On Bitcoin my calculations point towards a potential Top on Sept 23rd but I wanted to integrate the astronomy model into my work so what would be a good point to start with . Thanks
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