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  • #41
  • Aug 25, 2024 10:31am Aug 25, 2024 10:31am
Quoting navk
{quote} Max var should be higher than Min VAR ?
The Maximum VAR is the highest recorded VAR ever taken by a trader, while the Minimum VAR is the lowest, period in a month.
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  • #42
  • Aug 25, 2024 10:39am Aug 25, 2024 10:39am
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} The Maximum VAR is the highest recorded VAR ever taken by a trader, while the Minimum VAR is the lowest, period in a month.
And max var is taken into account for index ?

Or Min VAR ?
Intraday only.
  • #43
  • Aug 25, 2024 10:47am Aug 25, 2024 10:47am
Quoting navk
{quote} And max var is taken into account for index ? Or Min VAR ?
Yes, like I said here: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14975411

Quote
Examples

Current VaR: 8%
Maximum VaR: 12% one month ago
Minimum VaR: 6% five months ago
Target VaR: (8%/12%)*6.5% = 4.33%

Current VaR: 9%
Maximum VaR: 14% 2 months ago
Minimum VaR: 8% in the last 6 months
Target VaR: (9%/14%)*6.5% = 4.17%

In summary, the Risk Engine tolerates changes in VaR up to factor of 2 (up or down) with the objective of better adapt to how the traders manage their risk.

VaR Ratio = (Target VaR/Strategy VaR)
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  • #44
  • Aug 25, 2024 10:57am Aug 25, 2024 10:57am
Quoting RoelsMajor
{quote} Yes, like I said here: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14975411 {quote}
Your saying.... next month you will be punished by Darwin.

This is un reasonable and unfair.

Darwin takes subscription fee and they say we punished you ?


What is the minmum and maximum var preferable ? Darwin must say.

Secondly, they have to say by example calculation, how var is used by darwin for index
Intraday only.
  • #45
  • Edited 11:20am Aug 25, 2024 11:02am | Edited 11:20am
Quoting navk
{quote} Your saying.... next month you will be punished by Darwin. This is un reasonable and unfair. Darwin takes subscription fee and they say we punished you ? What is the minmum and maximum var preferable ? Darwin must say. Secondly, they have to say by example calculation, how var is used by darwin for index
Not me but the Trader 1 above
Check this video, may be it can help u

(Actually, my first account was penalized before, wasn't it? Are you losing your memory now?)

Handle With Care...

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  • #46
  • Aug 25, 2024 11:05am Aug 25, 2024 11:05am
Quoting navk
{quote} Your saying.... next month you will be punished by Darwin. This is un reasonable and unfair. Darwin takes subscription fee and they say we punished you ? What is the minmum and maximum var preferable ? Darwin must say. Secondly, they have to say by example calculation, how var is used by darwin for index
It's not unfair. They are looking for a certain type of trader. Investors will not invest in high risk. This is very simple. If you like high risk, use a prop firm. Watch the videos, this is all explained. Expo just posted how the risk engine helped his numbers. I am doing great myself as well. I don't think this is a good match for you.
  • #47
  • Aug 25, 2024 11:13am Aug 25, 2024 11:13am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} It's not unfair. They are looking for a certain type of trader. Investors will not invest in high risk. This is very simple. If you like high risk, use a prop firm. Watch the videos, this is all explained. Expo just posted how the risk engine helped his numbers. I am doing great myself as well. I don't think this is a good match for you.
No, there is no reference value mentioned in their videos.

If they say that, one will not waste time and money with them.

Terms and conditions not clear, insted Darwin tries to explain thro videos, what is the process

In a smple three line format :

1 ) Darwin risk for a month and previous month, they must say what is prefered by them. ( Draw down )

2 ) No profit target

3 ) They must say, they look for more conservative traders

This is minimum
Intraday only.
  • #48
  • Aug 25, 2024 11:17am Aug 25, 2024 11:17am
we are not interested in their process, we are interested in their goals
Intraday only.
  • #49
  • Aug 25, 2024 11:21am Aug 25, 2024 11:21am
A question to pip.

I can do 0.01 lot and see to it var... or whatever never increases.

But...

what is the point ?

We pay them 38 euros subscription.

Trading is all about, what you spend and what you get.

We are not interested in their process, I repeat
Intraday only.
  • #50
  • Aug 25, 2024 11:37am Aug 25, 2024 11:37am
Quoting navk
A question to pip. I can do 0.01 lot and see to it var... or whatever never increases. But... what is the point ? We pay them 38 euros subscription. Trading is all about, what you spend and what you get. We are not interested in their process, I repeat
Maybe Darwinex is not interested the type of trader you are?
  • #51
  • Aug 25, 2024 12:06pm Aug 25, 2024 12:06pm
Quoting navk
A question to pip. I can do 0.01 lot and see to it var... or whatever never increases. But... what is the point ? We pay them 38 euros subscription. Trading is all about, what you spend and what you get. We are not interested in their process, I repeat
It takes 45 trading days to see the impact. So if you are trading 0.01 consistently you will see impact after 45 trading days so essentially you will be panelized for 2.25 months to reset VAR.
  • #52
  • Aug 25, 2024 12:15pm Aug 25, 2024 12:15pm
Quoting kalastaja
{quote} Maybe Darwinex is not interested the type of trader you are?


Because, i dunno from their website / videos, if i am fit for Darwinex.

You are right, Darvinex missed out the point what kind of traders they look for.
Intraday only.
  • #53
  • Aug 25, 2024 12:20pm Aug 25, 2024 12:20pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} It takes 45 trading days to see the impact. So if you are trading 0.01 consistently you will see impact after 45 trading days so essentially you will be panelized for 2.25 months to reset VAR.
There are two points.

1 ) It takes 45 days means, Darwin collects 19 + 38 euros.

After 45 days, they will say Darwinex is fit for you.

2 ) By trading 0.01 lot, what one is going to achive in profit ? Even after 1 or 2 years ?


And i dunno if trading 0.01 lot or 1 lot or 10 lots is correct. Frankly speaking no guidance from Darwinex.

If i have to trade with darwinex, I have to trust few members here in Forexfactory and trade.
Intraday only.
  • #54
  • Aug 25, 2024 12:37pm Aug 25, 2024 12:37pm
Quoting navk
{quote} There are two points. 1 ) It takes 45 days means, Darwin collects 19 + 38 euros. After 45 days, they will say Darwinex is fit for you. 2 ) By trading 0.01 lot, what one is going to achive in profit ? Even after 1 or 2 years ? And i dunno if trading 0.01 lot or 1 lot or 10 lots is correct. Frankly speaking no guidance from Darwinex. If i have to trade with darwinex, I have to trust few members here in Forexfactory and trade.
You can play smartly. Once you reach high VAR just trade normally with 1 lot reach profit target than slow down if they are playing you can also play
  • #55
  • Aug 25, 2024 1:37pm Aug 25, 2024 1:37pm
value at risk...... var..... seems pretty straight froward.....

if on a 100k account, trading 50 standard eurusd lots there is considerable value at risk......

if on a 100k account, trading 0.01 eurusd lots there is minimum value at risk......

the longer the trades duration the more value at risk......

the shorter the trades duration the less value at risk....


roels has posted the explanation here.......

darwinex's help docs on var calculation.....

darwinex has over 150 videos ..... little over 13 gigs worth total......... some are quite long..... only takes a few minutes to download them all ...... store on your computer or flash drive...... watch or listen at your leisure.....

youtube ...... value at risk part 1......

youtube...... value at risk part 2.....

youtube..... value at risk explained.....

darwinex risk engine help docs.....

how to analyze strategy statistics.....
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #56
  • Aug 25, 2024 1:40pm Aug 25, 2024 1:40pm
Quoting navk
we are not interested in their process, we are interested in their goals
Im not interested in their process. I'm interested in MY goals.

It's not complicated. Trade 1-3 lots max and VaR, D-leverage will be basically irrelevant. I can target 3% per month and trade a max of 1 lot and attain that goal. (15 pips a day trading 1 lot Euro for 20 days = 3% for the month)

Your obsession with DZeros secret black box attempt to confuse and take advantage of us for that precious 38/month is tiresome.

The endless discussion on the inner workings of the DZero risk engine should be completely sufficient for anyone with a professional trading mindset to be successful with this model.
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  • #57
  • Aug 25, 2024 2:42pm Aug 25, 2024 2:42pm
Quoting navk
{quote} Because, i dunno from their website / videos, if i am fit for Darwinex. You are right, Darvinex missed out the point what kind of traders they look for.
That's my point......don't try to fit them. It's under 100 bucks for 3 months. Trade as you normally do, if you're a good fit....great. You will be free rolling after month 2. If not, you spent 20% of the cost of a 100K challenge with a prop firm. For me, best decision I've ever made regarding any find of funding. But that's me, clearly not for everyone.
  • #58
  • Aug 25, 2024 2:44pm Aug 25, 2024 2:44pm
Quoting navk
{quote} There are two points. 1 ) It takes 45 days means, Darwin collects 19 + 38 euros. After 45 days, they will say Darwinex is fit for you. 2 ) By trading 0.01 lot, what one is going to achive in profit ? Even after 1 or 2 years ? And i dunno if trading 0.01 lot or 1 lot or 10 lots is correct. Frankly speaking no guidance from Darwinex. If i have to trade with darwinex, I have to trust few members here in Forexfactory and trade.
2-3 to 1 leverage with no more than 2 trades open at a time would probably put you damn close to a risk engine of 1 ( no reduction, no multiplier). You are way overthinking this.
  • #59
  • Aug 25, 2024 2:46pm Aug 25, 2024 2:46pm
Quoting Expo33
{quote} Im not interested in their process. I'm interested in MY goals. It's not complicated. Trade 1-3 lots max and VaR, D-leverage will be basically irrelevant. I can target 3% per month and trade a max of 1 lot and attain that goal. (15 pips a day trading 1 lot Euro for 20 days = 3% for the month) Your obsession with DZeros secret black box attempt to confuse and take advantage of us for that precious 38/month is tiresome. The endless discussion on the inner workings of the DZero risk engine should be completely sufficient for anyone with a professional...
Right, He's still in the prop firm mindset where they are out to fail you. In Darwinex, unlike the props, a profitable trader is an asset, not a liability.
  • #60
  • Aug 25, 2024 4:13pm Aug 25, 2024 4:13pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Right, He's still in the prop firm mindset where they are out to fail you. In Darwinex, unlike the props, a profitable trader is an asset, not a liability.
This may not be true. Any profit making trader is liability until it gets external funding which take atleast 1.5 to 2 years. Why would they want profitable traders. There are already enough with 5-10 years of track record. It is all about fees.
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