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  • #21
  • Jul 4, 2007 4:17am Jul 4, 2007 4:17am
Quoting billflet
The software costs about 4k. If your bankroll is modest you can blow most of it on the software alone. The rest will go quickly when you try implementing the system.
that's even faster....
  • #22
  • Jul 4, 2007 4:40am Jul 4, 2007 4:40am
Quoting Duncan
I can see what you mean but this isn't really a system that I could rely upon for losing. The coin only loses 50% of the time. I concede that lots of lots would probably lose through leverage. Do you think that going Long (say) in any pair with no stops and cashing in when there is a reasonable loss would work more than 50% of the time?
A coin toss as a pure math problem may lose 50% of the time. A coin toss will lose at least 60% of the time or more if used in Forex. Demo it and you'll see.

The big point is that it's not the system that's the problem or the solution.

It's you.
  • #23
  • Jul 4, 2007 5:45am Jul 4, 2007 5:45am
Quoting Duncan
Does anyone have a copper bottomed losing system? I am looking for a system that can guarantee losses 75% time. I have heard claims that Newbies lose their accounts within months. I want to know how to do this every time.
Duncan, I may be able to help you out.At a price of course.

It depends on how much you are prepared to pay for an Anti-Grail system. I have several on special this month, starting from $100 (that would be the Buy high-Sell low version 2.1) all the way to the 22 K ( including goods and sevices tax) Super Duper You Beaut XX6,5 Market Matrix Six Dimensional Omega Cross.

This system was to be released next year, but as a special favour for you I can bring the release date forward.

I would personally recommend the latter as you will have very little to lose once you get started and your Forex death will be swift and painless.

Sorry no money back guarantees available with specials!

Roy
Polishing my crystal ball
  • #24
  • Jul 4, 2007 8:33am Jul 4, 2007 8:33am
Quoting Duncan
I am looking for a system that can guarantee losses 75% time.
Please take some serious advice here.
Trading, especially Forex, has no guarantees. If your not carefull you could win 70-75% of the time!
  • #25
  • Jul 4, 2007 9:00am Jul 4, 2007 9:00am
Quoting Micro-MiniMe
Please take some serious advice here.
Trading, especially Forex, has no guarantees. If your not carefull you could win 70-75% of the time!
Thanks for the warning and advice. It obviously is not as easy as I thought.
  • #26
  • Jul 4, 2007 9:11am Jul 4, 2007 9:11am
Quoting 30XTCi
Duncan, I may be able to help you out.At a price of course.

It depends on how much you are prepared to pay for an Anti-Grail system. I have several on special this month, starting from $100 (that would be the Buy high-Sell low version 2.1) all the way to the 22 K ( including goods and sevices tax) Super Duper You Beaut XX6,5 Market Matrix Six Dimensional Omega Cross.

This system was to be released next year, but as a special favour for you I can bring the release date forward.

I would personally recommend the latter as you will have very little to lose once you get started and your Forex death will be swift and painless.

Sorry no money back guarantees available with specials!

Roy
Now we are talking. A firm offer of a losing system and at a snip price too! As you won't be offering a money back guarantee, I hope you might consider a free trial.

I am not sure about the "Buy High, Sell Low" system. A lot of people have tried thas but so often the buy high turns out to be a buy low and profits start mounting which is not the objective. The Super Duper You Beaut XX6 sounds very appealing but I have concerns about its carbon footprint. For that reason I am keen to test the 5 Market Matrix 6 Dimensional Omega Cross. It is a good name (half the battle) and with Omega as an ingredient is probably good for the joints too. I note that this version is a single cross - do you intend to develop a double cross version too?
Duncan
  • #27
  • Jul 4, 2007 10:00am Jul 4, 2007 10:00am
Quoting Duncan
Does anyone have a copper bottomed losing system? I am looking for a system that can guarantee losses 75% time. I have heard claims that Newbies lose their accounts within months. I want to know how to do this every time.

Trade 50% of your capital in one open position. Always do this everytime you make the trade. Just wait and see the result in 2 weeks if your capital could touch that period.
  • #28
  • Jul 4, 2007 11:04am Jul 4, 2007 11:04am
Take limited profits and unlimited losses.... Couple that with a 2-5 minute trading time frame.. If you dont lose all your money, youll definitely lose all your mind.

Happy Trading
  • #29
  • Jul 4, 2007 12:05pm Jul 4, 2007 12:05pm
Quoting Duncan
Now we are talking. A firm offer of a losing system and at a snip price too! As you won't be offering a money back guarantee, I hope you might consider a free trial.

I am not sure about the "Buy High, Sell Low" system. A lot of people have tried thas but so often the buy high turns out to be a buy low and profits start mounting which is not the objective. The Super Duper You Beaut XX6 sounds very appealing but I have concerns about its carbon footprint. For that reason I am keen to test the 5 Market Matrix 6 Dimensional Omega Cross. It is a good name (half the battle) and with Omega as an ingredient is probably good for the joints too. I note that this version is a single cross - do you intend to develop a double cross version too?
Duncan
Duncan, excellent choice. I can tell you are a systems connoisseur. The 5MM6DOC is the cre'me de la cre'me of all the systems I have worked on.

This only took me 12 months to produce the signals and another 6 months to figure out what they were trying to tell me. You may be interested to know that I have entered the 5MM6DOC in a competition on another trade to lose site and it is performing beyond my wildest dreams. After only 4 days of this month it is down 230 pips on just 3 Majors. If I take June into account it is down a massive 600 pips plus change!
If that doesn't make your mouth water , well , your a hard man to please.

About the free trial, I will have to give this some serious consideration. What I am prepared to do is give you a sneak preview, if you let me know which currency and time frame you would like to lose on, I can post a chart and let you see what took me so long.

This is not just any double cross, this is in fact a state of the art triple cross which revolves around the most powerful tool on the Planet.

Roy

PS. For an extra $500 I will throw in my Agressive Money Management Plan.
Polishing my crystal ball
  • #30
  • Jul 4, 2007 12:12pm Jul 4, 2007 12:12pm
You don't need another new losing system.
Just keep doing what your doing now.


As I said before - It's not the system.
  • #31
  • Jul 4, 2007 12:48pm Jul 4, 2007 12:48pm
lol
Trade what you see, not what you think.
  • #32
  • Jul 4, 2007 1:46pm Jul 4, 2007 1:46pm
send me a check of your account balance
Trading is a long and a short story.
  • #33
  • Edited 6:35pm Jul 4, 2007 6:33pm | Edited 6:35pm
Quoting 30XTCi
Duncan, excellent choice. I can tell you are a systems connoisseur. The 5MM6DOC is the cre'me de la cre'me of all the systems I have worked on.

This only took me 12 months to produce the signals and another 6 months to figure out what they were trying to tell me. You may be interested to know that I have entered the 5MM6DOC in a competition on another trade to lose site and it is performing beyond my wildest dreams. After only 4 days of this month it is down 230 pips on just 3 Majors. If I take June into account it is down a massive 600 pips plus change!
If that doesn't make your mouth water , well , your a hard man to please.

About the free trial, I will have to give this some serious consideration. What I am prepared to do is give you a sneak preview, if you let me know which currency and time frame you would like to lose on, I can post a chart and let you see what took me so long.

This is not just any double cross, this is in fact a state of the art triple cross which revolves around the most powerful tool on the Planet.

Roy

PS. For an extra $500 I will throw in my Agressive Money Management Plan.
Roy, you are like a fresh breathe of air and you obviously have a marketing flair. 5MM6DOC what a name! I am already impressed by your claims of 230 pip losses in 3 majors and a fantastic 600 pips for June. Wow, by re-investing my losses I can see that it would be possible to hit the magic $1,000,000 by the end of this year. I am definately up for the sneak preview 4 hour timeframe USD/JPY. I note you comments about the revolving triple cross and your powerful tool - so that I can draw realistic comparisons on its power, which Planet do you come from? I am from Planet Zod on intergalactic stratum 425 - communication compatibility Rispod nh 2.309.

Duncan
  • #34
  • Jul 4, 2007 6:50pm Jul 4, 2007 6:50pm
Quoting Duncan
Roy, you are like a fresh breathe of air and you obviously have a marketing flair. 5MM6DOC what a name!
I dunno... 5MM6DOC sounds too technical. If you threw in some key words, such as:

-- Fibonacci
-- Wave
-- Fractal
-- Neural
-- Adaptive
-- Cycle
-- (Some Japanese word or phrase)

Then you'd have a real winner... I mean loser!
  • #35
  • Jul 4, 2007 7:12pm Jul 4, 2007 7:12pm
Quoting bluebuddha
I dunno... 5MM6DOC sounds too technical. If you threw in some key words, such as:

-- Fibonacci
-- Wave
-- Fractal
-- Neural
-- Adaptive
-- Cycle
-- (Some Japanese word or phrase)

Then you'd have a real winner... I mean loser!
Yes Bluebuddah but 5MM6DOC includes a fractal analysis of the Fib cyclical adaptive wave, there is a neural option because it is integrated with Soybeans, Live Cattle, Frozen Pork Bellies and Gold. These markets interact with currencies in ways that few traders recognise. 5MM6DOC takes live feeds from a range of markets and produces a high loss rate for users currently claimed as "up to 80%". This claim has not yet been proved and until I have had live trading experience I would hesitate to recommend the system as a loser.
  • #36
  • Jan 31, 2009 11:45am Jan 31, 2009 11:45am
Why do you need a losing system? Trying to reverse engineer... btw, very nice idea.
  • #37
  • Jan 31, 2009 12:10pm Jan 31, 2009 12:10pm
Ok time to end the party.
Sorry to ruin your thread.

2 Things that are plainly wrong.

1. Flipping a coin would yield ~50 losers and ~50 winners after a 100 runs.
Not even after 10000 Runs you will get an equal distribution. Why?
Because the proability is not 1:1 only because you have two outcomes.
Price drops and drops and drops and you keep going long with 10TP 10SL you will get 1000 losers and no winning trade. See how it's 50:50
The TREND determins your probabiltity.

2. Reversing a losing system turns it into a winner.
You can reverse something that isn't symmetrical.

If you want to lose money just open and close positions and open and close and open and close and give the spread to your broker. Have fun reversing that.
  • #38
  • Jan 31, 2009 12:21pm Jan 31, 2009 12:21pm
Quoting Tjpld
Ok time to end the party.
If you want to lose money just open and close positions and open and close and open and close and give the spread to your broker. Have fun reversing that.
Lolz...What I mean for reversing the system, is finding what's "wrong" with it. Because you'll basically create a system to have winning trades. But if you created a system to lose your money, it's really irreversible.

But not bad system for giving out your money for free.
  • #39
  • Jan 31, 2009 3:03pm Jan 31, 2009 3:03pm
Quoting Tjpld
Ok time to end the party.
Sorry to ruin your thread.

2 Things that are plainly wrong.

1. Flipping a coin would yield ~50 losers and ~50 winners after a 100 runs.
Not even after 10000 Runs you will get an equal distribution. Why?
Because the proability is not 1:1 only because you have two outcomes.
Price drops and drops and drops and you keep going long with 10TP 10SL you will get 1000 losers and no winning trade. See how it's 50:50
The TREND determins your probabiltity.

2. Reversing a losing system turns it into a winner.
You...
While a 50/50 coin toss is a terrible trading solution, it wouldn't be hard to make serious profits off it ... with proper money management, pending orders, & stoploss, a trader could put some serious money in his/her pockets. It all boils down to 50/50. Fifty percent change of winning and a fifty percent chance of losing. That's all trading is.

Losing is as easy as ... using the Martingale system. or dropping 50k at Vegas, Reno, or Atlantic City.
  • #40
  • Jan 31, 2009 3:18pm Jan 31, 2009 3:18pm
Quoting Jhig
While a 50/50 coin toss is a terrible trading solution, it wouldn't be hard to make serious profits off it ... with proper money management, pending orders, & stoploss, a trader could put some serious money in his/her pockets. It all boils down to 50/50. Fifty percent change of winning and a fifty percent chance of losing. That's all trading is.

Losing is as easy as ... using the Martingale system. or dropping 50k at Vegas, Reno, or Atlantic City.
A coin toss will lose the amount of the spread, per trade, over an extended trial.
It does not matter how you attempt to money manage it.

You cannot money manage a loser into a winner.

To think that it is possible, probably wastes more time and money than any other aspect of beginner trading.
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