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  • #1
  • First Post: Mar 19, 2024 2:26am Mar 19, 2024 2:26am
hi trader.
can anyone suggest me some true forex broker which offer spot forex pair what we all used to trade 10 years ago.
CFD is betting against broker, as none of our trade is placed on market. so cfd forex provider always manipulate against you when you start to make profit Continually.
  • #2
  • Mar 20, 2024 4:11am Mar 20, 2024 4:11am
not in the retail sector anymore..
  • #3
  • Mar 26, 2024 7:12am Mar 26, 2024 7:12am
Quoting bd pips
hi trader. can anyone suggest me some true forex broker which offer spot forex pair what we all used to trade 10 years ago. CFD is betting against broker, as none of our trade is placed on market. so cfd forex provider always manipulate against you when you start to make profit Continually.
Do you really believe that?

Surely it's in the broker's interest for you to be successful. More trades = more commission.

Brokers spend a lot of money bringing in new clients. Keeping the (successful) ones they have would be a lot cheaper than replacing the ones that have jumped ship.
  • #4
  • Mar 26, 2024 2:27pm Mar 26, 2024 2:27pm
Quoting ChilledT
Surely it's in the broker's interest for you to be successful.
That would be in a broker’s interest, yes.

But it would be the opposite if you were trading against a counterparty who’s only pretending to be a broker.

And that’s exactly what happens when you trade CFDs, which is exactly why bd pips is right and you’re sadly mistaken.


Quoting bd pips
CFD is betting against broker, as none of our trade is placed on market.
Exactly right. No currencies change hands at all, when you "trade" CFD's. It's only betting.
  • #5
  • Mar 27, 2024 3:38am Mar 27, 2024 3:38am
I understand what you are saying.

There's not really much alternative for retail traders though is there?
  • #6
  • Mar 27, 2024 6:31am Mar 27, 2024 6:31am
Quoting ChilledT
There's not really much alternative for retail traders though is there?
It’s worst for Americans: their choices are basically Oanda or forex.com.

A much, much better way is just to switch from CFDs to futures. There’s nothing difficult about it - if you can trade forex, you can trade futures, and and you can even use MT5 if you really want to.

These days, with micros, you only need a few hundred $ to start. In theory even $100 will do (I’d want a little bit more, for comfort).

Nobody who can steadily trade profitably would choose to stay with spot/CFD forex for the long term anyway: futures have far better and safer regulation, genuine brokers who really do want their customers to win exactly as you said above, much better protection of funds, high leverage, no spreads to pay, and the ability to deal in an actual (honest, transparent) market where all brokers have the same prices at the same times and nobody’s trying to make people lose or manipulate prices, etc. etc.

It’s actually a no-brainer.
  • #7
  • Apr 4, 2024 5:56am Apr 4, 2024 5:56am
Quoting Quickly
{quote} It’s worst for Americans: their choices are basically Oanda or forex.com. A much, much better way is just to switch from CFDs to futures. There’s nothing difficult about it - if you can trade forex, you can trade futures, and and you can even use MT5 if you really want to. These days, with micros, you only need a few hundred $ to start. In theory even $100 will do (I’d want a little bit more, for comfort). Nobody who can steadily trade profitably would choose to stay with spot/CFD forex for the long term anyway: futures have far better and...
is future good for day trader. like when you trade to catch only 10 to 30 pips move. what about trading cost and leverage ?
  • #8
  • Apr 25, 2024 1:52pm Apr 25, 2024 1:52pm
Quoting Quickly
{quote} It’s worst for Americans: their choices are basically Oanda or forex.com. A much, much better way is just to switch from CFDs to futures. There’s nothing difficult about it - if you can trade forex, you can trade futures, and and you can even use MT5 if you really want to. These days, with micros, you only need a few hundred $ to start. In theory even $100 will do (I’d want a little bit more, for comfort). Nobody who can steadily trade profitably would choose to stay with spot/CFD forex for the long term anyway: futures have far better and...
Are you sure about all that? You sure futures brokers aren't taking the other side of your trades? Haven't you learned with all that happened in the recent years.

There's retail money, they're there. Why would they throw all that money away. They've been the other side for a long time now.
  • #9
  • Apr 25, 2024 2:20pm Apr 25, 2024 2:20pm
Quoting Southeast
Are you sure about all that?
Yes.

Quoting Southeast
You sure futures brokers aren't taking the other side of your trades?
Yes.

Quoting Southeast
Haven't you learned with all that happened in the recent years.
I have, but what’s relevant here is that CME has. Futures brokers are regulated in a totally different way from CFD “brokers”.

Quoting Southeast
There's retail money, they're there. Why would they throw all that money away
Because their directors and management would be in prison, pronto, if they didn’t.

Anyway, the point you're missing (as most people do, here!!) is that with futures, unlike CFDs, you don't have to take the broker's word for it. It's objective and factual and independently verifiable. All you have to do is briefly enter a stop order a mile from the current price and watch it show up on the exchange’s DoM. There’s no mystery about it. Either an account is real or it isn’t.
  • #10
  • Apr 25, 2024 2:34pm Apr 25, 2024 2:34pm
Quoting Quickly
{quote} Yes. {quote} Yes. {quote} I have, but what’s relevant here is that CME has. Futures brokers are regulated in a totally different way from CFD “brokers”. {quote} Because their directors and management would be in prison, pronto, if they didn’t. Anyway, the point you're missing (as most people do, here!!) is that with futures, unlike CFDs, you don't have to take the broker's word for it. It's objective and factual and independently verifiable. All you have to do is briefly enter a stop order a mile from the current price and watch it show...
Then I guess you drink from the Kool-aid with the ladle or the entire bucket.

You never know about the person you're talking to do you. Good luck
  • #11
  • Apr 25, 2024 2:53pm Apr 25, 2024 2:53pm
Quoting Quickly
with futures, unlike CFDs, you don't have to take the broker's word for it. It's objective and factual and independently verifiable


The determination of some of this forum’s members not to acknowledge this simple, provable, unarguable reality just continues to amaze me, time after time after time: evidently the words "Yes, ok, I see what you mean: maybe I’m mistaken after all" are simply not in their vocabulary!
  • #12
  • Apr 25, 2024 3:02pm Apr 25, 2024 3:02pm
Quoting KarlKraus
evidently the words "Yes, ok, I see what you mean: maybe I’m mistaken after all" are simply not in their vocabulary!
Indeed not - from their perspective it’s all about being right (or, more specifically, never being seen to be wrong). Oh well, whatever turns them on …
  • #13
  • May 9, 2024 1:48am May 9, 2024 1:48am
brother, can you check Vantage Market?
  • #14
  • Feb 6, 2025 3:44pm Feb 6, 2025 3:44pm
I am interested in trading EUR/USD 1H chart. Is it possible to trade Forex in a real market / NOT CFD? Real market where the client has other clients as counterparties, a real market. And NOT the broker's CFD, to avoid conflict of interest against the client. Platforms? Broker?
In CFD, "market maker", the broker makes money with the client's lost operations. This is a conflict of interest to the client's detriment. There are cases where:
- The broker removes stop loss orders from open positions on his own;
- Also in open positions, after a time, the broker on his own, reduces the stop loss inserted by the client. Actions by the broker to close open positions with losses for the client, leading to profits for the broker.
- Manipulation of high % movement in candles of the asset on the chart, where the large mass of stop loss is, to trigger the clients' stop loss, leading to losses when closing said open position.
Is cTrader on Forex real market (NOT CFD)? And the famous MetaTrader? Has anyone tried them? Drawbacks or disadvantages in the experience of using them? Where is real FX futures (NOT CFD) for retailers? Thanks. (Spain)
  • #15
  • Feb 8, 2025 7:09am Feb 8, 2025 7:09am
The platform doesn’t matter. Your (very reasonable, sensible) concerns all relate to brokers, not platforms.

Your best option is just to trade “6E futures” (the same as EUR/USD) but $6.25 per pip, instead of $10.

There’s also a smaller one, “M6E” which is $1.25 per pip. That’s the smallest position size you can use, with the Euro.

You can trade it with MT5 if you really want to (I wouldn’t).
  • #16
  • Feb 10, 2025 4:15pm Feb 10, 2025 4:15pm
Quoting KarlKraus
The platform doesn’t matter. Your (very reasonable, sensible) concerns all relate to brokers, not platforms. Your best option is just to trade “6E futures” (the same as EUR/USD) but $6.25 per pip, instead of $10. There’s also a smaller one, “M6E” which is $1.25 per pip. That’s the smallest position size you can use, with the Euro. You can trade it with MT5 if you really want to (I wouldn’t).
Can you cite one/more regulated brokers that offer real FX / NO CFDs for retailers in Spain? Thank you. I currently use XTB broker's easy-to-use xStation platform for FX.
  • #17
  • Last Post: Mar 10, 2025 10:01pm Mar 10, 2025 10:01pm
Quoting mas3
{quote} Can you cite one/more regulated brokers that offer real FX / NO CFDs for retailers in Spain? Thank you. I currently use XTB broker's easy-to-use xStation platform for FX.
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