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  •  PeterCaleb
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I truly think it's hilarious to find two rather interesting positions present on these sites ......

First you have the "we need information" people, case in point Exhibit A .....

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/10378-cable-update-gbpusd?page=38073

Second we have the "thinking is overrated and anyway, we have all the information and know-how we need" people, case in point Exhibit B .....

https://www.metalsmine.com/thread/930946-aussi-my-thread-and-anything-i-want-to?page=2846

Now, to the lay person who really doesn't consider too many things in Life or merely anything beyond the end of their nose (just as society has taught you so well), these two may "appear" a bit different or even totally different, however, when you look more closely AND using a more well rounded position, you will find they're merely a representation of this ......


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But if you've ever actually paid attention in Life, you'll find a quiet little giggle coming from the background. This giggle is Mr and Mrs Common Sense and all throughout your life they're trying to get your attention to show you this ........


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That's why I find it HILARIOUS because at the end of the day they're all just doing this ........


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Instead of appreciating that the more you understand the people around you and the world you live in, the greater impact you have. People who do this and live this way don't "need" others to tell them what makes sense, or what the "problems" are, it's bloody obvious. Why? People who only hold to a "me" perspective are cursed with a teeny tiny view of the world. They "believe" in optimism vs cynicism instead of using their naturally gifted basic maturity and intelligence to see things more clearly. Meanwhile, another person with a small, medium and wide worldview doesn't take advantage of other people's immaturities and ignorances.

Here's an easy example -

We are a species who need oxygen to breathe to live. Flora AKA plant life use CO2 for their own living processes and as a bi-product of this, they expel O2 into the air and ultimately the atmosphere all around us. Now, seriously, do people from say, the 18 or 1900's onwards .... REALLY need to be told that reducing the flora content on this planet is "BAD" for life ???? Do people really "neeed" someone to tell them that if you reduce the innate value you place on your general environment, then at some point, YOU WILL DIE. Ergo, cause your own demise.

So .... while many around here find these threads "helpful" or interesting, maybe by now you can see that it's really just assisting with lowering your basic intelligence. Common sense is an innate part of being human. Don't "agree"? Just remember back to those very basic lessons by your parents and elders re: crawling, walking, talking, eating, pissing and shitting. It's all there. Basic simple common sense beginning. Do's and don'ts. Can and cannot. Should and should not. Will and will not. Could and Should.

People are very funny.

So the next time you think your position carries "common sense" type thinking, I'd advise to reset your perspective and consider the well rounded picture.

Turning the basics into overcooked, over reduced grissle is not common sense. Nor is having an overabundance of opinion wrapped up in what you're doing that expects more of you.

Interesting ......... yes?!

So as I have said before, GETTING the $$$ into your account is not the end but the very beginning.


Happy learning and trading


Peter
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I think it's funny ..... more and more people are being talked into "trading" AKA speculating AKA gambling, in fact, more than ever in history, yet ...... people don't stop to ask why? What is it doing to people? How is it entraining people's thinking? THAT is why I find it funny on these silly sites ....

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You'd have to be an idiot to never look up as you walk along the road.


Happy learning


Peter
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It's never about being smug, it's merely a reminder of what you're not doing and thinking. Best not expect TV or youtube to "teach you" everything.

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The easiest process to perform, to find out just how insane you are is as follows ....

Simply be honest, truthful and observant for ONE FULL DAY. If you cannot or will not do this then you have proven man's/woman's modern society is insane and backwards in its thinking and priorities.

Please consider.

Happy learning and trading.

Peter
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When you remove status and title, people at the top and at the bottom are actually very VERY similar. Therefore responsibility is the same.

Peter
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Modern day gambling of any kind, is based on the premise, that if you 'beat the house', you're in the clear. You simply withdraw your winnings and be on your merry way. Not so in the information age. I think it's rather humorous when baby boomers and their parents and friends, assume they're good enough or smart enough to find a balance between [keeping things simple + being truthful about what you're really facing].

I find it funny when people think their nemesis is the broker, or the liquidity provider or 'the market' or even another trader etc. If you take a good hard look at it all, you'll find that they are the least of your worries.

On these sites people love talking about profits, taking profit and losses but don't like to talk about real life and what happens AFTER you win or you lose. What happens after you withdraw your "winnings". Ever noticed that?

So, where does all this lead us?

To here ....

https://www.responsiblegambling.org/for-the-public/about-gambling/the-science-behind-gambling/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

..... And of course my favorite ......

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...... chinese whispers.

This is my favorite because it's generally the most plausible that even a lifelong gambler will have to appreciate in these global markets and EVEN inside their own trading activities.

Why?

Usually gamblers carry the same underwriting issue - their estranged ideas of what makes reality so good/bad.

You could go right back to the times of Sodom and Gamora and you'll find traces of gambler 'rose colored glasses' in the people's minds.

Why is this even worth mentioning?

People ASSUME that the only way to really be 'successful' in these markets is to either - speculate on ideas or, cheat and do it the way "the big boys" do it.

To that I say "Good one noddy!"

If your activities are only focused on "getting profits" then you'll forever assume you're untouchable. That the broker isn't as smart as you, that the world around you is blind or dumb or both.

Well, to that I say ...... "Welcome to the information age".

Where even your real to life banking activities and habits and beliefs are on show. SO even IF you make bank, you still have to take into consideration that "being old or young" has nothing to do with anything real.

The rather strange AND truly hilarious AND disturbing thing about people these days is, the MORE they dig themselves into the virtual and digital world, the more they PROVE they are scared and trying to hide and escape.

AND THIS is why chinese whispers is my favorite one. They've got people believing that "all they need is a price chart and some 'good data' " and of course a 'successful strategy'.

I gotta tell ya somethin here ----- If it aint in your head it sure as hell aint gonna help doin anythin else. If your head aint screwed on properly no strategy is gonna save ya.

So what's all this leading to Peter?

Not much, just a silly little thing called common sense. Ya know, one of those pesky lil' details that "conveniently' gets left out when people say things like "keep it simple and it'll work". Yes I read what someone wrote very recently about just such a thing. I think it's funny when people merely try to cover up their impeccable laziness AND simultaneously "forget to mention" the most important ingredient ....... common sense.

Funny because one day after allllll that hard work to make alllll those gains and 'the real world' comes along and says "thank you very much that is not yours we'll just take that now". No I don't write this because it just happened to me. No I'm not angry at someone. Just saying that with all the posturing that I see going on in the world, people have neglected to learn the sensible lesson of "What If". Not in any context to place doubt but to actually BE a human who has basic intelligence and isn't AFRAID to use it. And maybe a dash of foresight.

So chinese whispers is a great way to depict people and their attitude towards trading. What starts off as one thing, ends up on your chart as something else entirely. Understand yet? Or are we still in denial?

People are positioned to be very seriously taken advantage of in this day and age. Why? Either too believing or, too cynical. Either one makes you ignorant to real life. Why? Simple. You are assuming you are a mentally emotionally healthy human. BUT, what's worse, is you believe or assume there's nothing you can do about it.

Both are untrue and inaccurate.

Most people assume if you use a single person : collective group approach to see if the person and or the group are sane or insane, then you will get your answer. This is an impossibility. Life in all areas shows us that you will have a gradient scale present and therefore, one must ask "Why?"

For me I look at many people and they assume that the area of "personal improvement" is either a waster of time, a con, or too much effort. What If, you tried looking at this way, what IF your life depended on you doing something about it. Would this change your view on this? AND, would you amend your attitude toward it?

On these sites I see a lot of "attitude". I use that word because it's probably more acceptable to say it that way rather than being completely honest and say what I want to say. The problems arise when a real person who desires to learn or improve in their trading comes along. If their own personal improvement levels are not up to par, then they get sucked into everything and their path of learning is distracted.

So how do you develop your own common sense?

The basic process is just being observant and being honest about all of your observations. There's no need for opinions, judgments, goal setting, reading 1000 books on self improvement or anything else. Why? How can I be so sure? Stand back a few steps and take a look at the society that you have been born into. There you will perform your first and probably most important observational test. It is a society of scaled artificiality. Something artificial introduced always gives something but it also take something in return. You must have one to have the other.

It's the same in trading. What's the point in building up a million dollar account if you have no sense of how to keep and use it. And what comes after you've made it? And what happens when your activities of daily living merely return what you have taken from all your gains?

And so, unfortunately, the inconvenient truth for people abound, is this - if you remove common sense from every equation, you create a ripeness for chaos that you cannot control or manage or even want.

Now, if you look at the culmination of everything I have written here, think about what is presented and be honest about a few things.


Happy learning and trading.


Peter
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Sometimes no amount of bulldust you tell yourself, can ever overwhelm the simple facts that are present and all around you at all times....

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I'll take the high road re: your cute little "meme" here and say, Yes people do a lot to try and do nothing worthwhile. Of course if you meant the "other way" well, there's a cure for that too .....

Learn or don't learn.

Thankyou for contributing.


Peter
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If you do not possess common sense, then you're fucked. There's simply no other way to say it.

Real trading requires common sense. If you use it then the profits come. If you don't use it, you end up on website like this sucking the dick of every idiot online trying to work out what went wrong, or, trying to please or prove to others that you're real.

The blatant contradiction between different things is funny, but doesn't fool everyone.

Common sense says - social online interactions took a bad turn somewhere back when facebook etc stopped just being for people to connect with friends and family.

It also says - why would you try to learn how to be sane from those who are already fucked up? The only people I have met who have really learned this lesson are the ones who left these sites behind in their rear view mirror.

When you apply real common sense to the people and parts of these sites, you can't help but laugh and laugh and laugh.

So if you are a real person reading this right now, you are gifted with 2 wonderful opportunities - The first, is to learn how to trade against all the "folks" on these silly sites. The second, is to trade against them IN the future of society's context. If any of them ARE in fact real people they sure don't have a lot of notable common sense. YES, even the ones who try "reeeeeeaaaallly hard" to "be" a real boy/girl.

A real person has to weigh up the putrid ridiculousness of it all against the possibility that you "may" learn something useful and therefore do something real with it. BUT, here's the "scary thing" about this ....... you may have to leave the nest and go out into the real world (oooooooooooooooo!!)

So, instead of building a solid foundation modern people prefer to combine building their house out of bullshit, cards and "hope". Mmmmm, doesn't that sound delightful? THAT is how far people have come in over 2000 years. YEP, and from all that people STILL insist on being respected. Ok, but seems a little backwards to me though. You want respect BEFORE you've earned it. You want "equality" BEFORE understanding where that MAY lead if left unchecked.

So, online or not, people cannot hide what's there.

Old or young, doesn't matter.

Not something to think about. No. GO and find a brick wall and start pounding your head into it until your real common sense recognizes that you're hurting yourself and tells you to stop doing it.

Funny how websites and real life just don't mix hihihihihihihi.


Enjoy.


Peter
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If you gamble you're just a deadbeat Danny or Debbie. There's really no other way needed to say that.

Gamblers always come unstuck in the end. And "modern people" are the same.

As I've said before, if you can't tell the difference between gambling and something else, or, you try to "justify" your gambling, then you're just a deadbeat with a serious problem. You see, THAT is why we have AA and GA (Alcoholics Anonymous and Gamblers Anonymous). For people who has issues with reality.

I really find it funny when all the deadweight "filler" on these sites come flying out of the woodwork.

Who the fuck do you think you're talking to here? Some idiot who was born yesterday or something ?!!

Hehehehehehehe. So you might wonder why I keep writing this stuff?

Because I know not everybody has shit for brains.

Happy learning for you (MAYBE)


Peter
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Social media takes off and has people leave their common sense behind.

BUUUUUUUUT .......... people want to be treated nicely and with respect.

HOW DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE ??!!

I've met people who cannot handle a good dose of reality. People who cannot digest someone saying "something not nice" to them.

OH MY GOD !!!

How do you trade ???

With a tranquilizer rammed up your butt ??!!

And ...... when did actual trading become "speculation" ??

Was it before or after people got a lobotomy ??

And you think this entitles you to be treated NICELY ??? And with respect ??

WOW !!

Tell me I'm wrong. Step up and try and convince me I'm wrong......... with ALL THIS FUCKED UP retarded childish crap running through your brain 24/7 ......


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And now say to me that you "trade". No excuses or retarded stories.

HOW IS THERE ANY ROOM IN YOUR BRAIN for anything to do with trading ANY financial market with all THAT crap stuck in your head?????

Sensible answer is - there IS NO ROOM for anything real. It's all complete fiction.

Of course the brainless sods on these sites who just want to "hangout" "don't want to be disturbed" because they're doing VERY serious 'work'. Hhhmm, excuuuuse me, do you mind, we're curing cancer here!!!

Yeah ok.

Then there's the moron brigades who lock themselves away 'in their own thread' ........... it's SO cute. Tell me, do you prefer your chaps to be with or without the complimentary anal plug that you people seem to LOOOVE these days? And as a bonus, it comes with a free soap on a rope. Hehehehehe.

A friend of mine said to me today, "Pete you know why there's no personal psychology section on those sites right?! If those kinds of people actually had to face just how screwed up they are, they'd have a full breakdown. THE reason why they're on those sites is to forget about the real world. They're not strong enough to handle real life and THAT is why they find it all so appealing."

What's even FUNNIER, is she wasn't kidding. And I can see her point.

For the last 40 odd years the general public has been doing EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to run away from their reality.

And the procession of the social media movement is just one of the latest in a long line of ways to dumb people down and make them more pliable.

So now, when I see people calling trading "gambling" then I know the benchmark for stupid just got reconfigured.


SO ...... you still think you don't require a head or a brain to trade and to KEEP trading into the future?


Happy entrails.


Peter
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How do you gauge what you're learning ???
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It's really frickin funny when I see gamblers justifying their actions and making silly comments about thinking or not thinking.

It tells me that all they're good for, and good at, is copying off other people ..... which obviously requires no thinking at all.

So having the bravado or the empty shell cocky overconfidence they do, doesn't cover up the fact that they're still who and what they are, Plus, it shows they still do not understand the money in their accounts is not really truly theirs. So all the song and dance they do about profits and money and cash and winning ..... is HILARIOUS.

Lacking in knowledge by choice - not fooling everyone. Certainly not me.

It's frickin funny how people try to convince themself that something is real, when deep down, there's probably a part of them that knows it's not.

Let's wait and see how their attitude sits, if and when people's money begins to get swiped out of their accounts or governments step in and interfere with people's money. It's happened in the past MANY times through the centuries....... AND ..... you got to remember these same people believe in "every man for themself", "dog eat dog world", "it's all about the cash!" and MY personal favorite .... "history always repeats itself".

Bit of an anti-tilt to their agenda and personal views when real life raises its head.

But they're not dead .... YET ..... so they still have THAT in their favor !! There's still time to learn.

Do you have the guts to learn something ??!! ...... Or merely sittin round waiting to die ????


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Peter
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Why did PeterCaleb get revoked?
 
 
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I would like to know either
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He wasn't very nice, that's why.

"Don’t use social media to argue with people, hate on them, or even compare yourself to them. You have better things to do, trust me. Use those platforms to learn something or to do good."

Cheers!
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