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  • #1
  • First Post: Jul 5, 2023 3:16am Jul 5, 2023 3:16am
Hello fellow traders,

does anybody of you know and follow this YouTube Channel: https://youtube.com/@UnconventionalForexTrading
I watched some of the videos and it seems to me to be some kind of trend following currency strength trading, but I am not quite sure what exactly his rules are...
For me it seems to be very profitable, when you look at the trades he takes. If it is really based on a mathematical system, it could be transformed in an EA, that's what I try to do, but I am not really getting it....
  • #2
  • Jul 15, 2023 5:42am Jul 15, 2023 5:42am
I watched it last year and built SATORI myself. If you like to do statistical arbitrage, it's a very good component for it.
  • #3
  • Jul 17, 2023 2:53am Jul 17, 2023 2:53am
Hi, thank you for your reply!
How did you do it? Only build the Excel or aswell as an EA for that?

Can you explain a little more, how you did it and are you still successfull with it?

Thank you
  • #4
  • Jul 21, 2023 11:51pm Jul 21, 2023 11:51pm
Quoting Grabman.1987
Hi, thank you for your reply! How did you do it? Only build the Excel or aswell as an EA for that? Can you explain a little more, how you did it and are you still successfull with it? Thank you
It's just a component of my system and definitely suggest you build one. How to use SATORI is the hard part and you have to find your own way. I use SATORI on Excel with my system on tradingview to analyze the market. Also an EA to enter trades and manage positions on MT4. Maybe one day I'll just use Python and MT5 to integrate it. But I've had this thought for a long time and probably won't make it happen unless MT4 is unavailable.
  • #5
  • Apr 12, 2024 3:37pm Apr 12, 2024 3:37pm
I tried to build it but failed ... any help please
  • #6
  • Apr 22, 2024 9:52am Apr 22, 2024 9:52am
Quoting zkchyo
{quote} It's just a component of my system and definitely suggest you build one. How to use SATORI is the hard part and you have to find your own way. I use SATORI on Excel with my system on tradingview to analyze the market. Also an EA to enter trades and manage positions on MT4. Maybe one day I'll just use Python and MT5 to integrate it. But I've had this thought for a long time and probably won't make it happen unless MT4 is unavailable.
Did the YT channel teaches how to extract data and build the Excel? I watched a couple of his videos but haven't come across on the step by step. Will be great if there's a book on this expecially the excel part. Next question: is his system profitable? Tq.
  • #7
  • Apr 24, 2024 11:59am Apr 24, 2024 11:59am
i tried to replicate it but my excel knowledge is too little, i tried to write him via email and skype but he doesnt respond on both i guess he is just gone from the youtube stuff. would be interesting to know if this still works. There is another cartasian plane youtuber but he has his own platform which costs monthly and on that i didnt understand shit. other then those 2 i havent found any other source to create something similar with mathematical edge. Very intresting topic but nobody teaches it sadly.
  • #8
  • Apr 29, 2024 9:12pm Apr 29, 2024 9:12pm
The topic is quite interesting, in the next few days I will focus on the videos of his youtube channel and try to get some information.
  • #9
  • May 1, 2024 5:16am May 1, 2024 5:16am
so i watched now several videos, some new ones and some old but it seems like he sells this excel spreadsheet and teaches how to trade, and a bot that probably gets the info from mt4 to excel in real time. found him on twitter but he is not active there too. if someone knows a mathametical way of trading or mechanical way pls let me know im searching for a long time now. dont mind paying too if it looks interesting
  • #10
  • May 2, 2024 1:57pm May 2, 2024 1:57pm
Hello, I'm new to trading, but I have been using the SATORI fx tool for the past seven months on demo accounts and have achieved relatively decent results. Setting up the Excel interface and getting everything to work has been the most challenging part. I purchased the premium version of ChatGPT to assist me in programming the Excel Macros with VBA codes. Additionally, I used this same AI to develop the Expert Advisors and Scripts needed to gather data. I am currently trading on my first FTMO challenge account using this system. His YouTube channel offers a lot of useful information, although some videos are very long and I have had to rewatch them multiple times to understand him clearly xD.

If anyone has adopted a similar approach to Forex trading or has any information about the whereabouts of Professor Marco, please let me know.
Good time and good space
  • #11
  • May 2, 2024 8:01pm May 2, 2024 8:01pm
Quoting SvinuezaS
Hello, I'm new to trading, but I have been using the SATORI fx tool for the past seven months on demo accounts and have achieved relatively decent results. Setting up the Excel interface and getting everything to work has been the most challenging part. I purchased the premium version of ChatGPT to assist me in programming the Excel Macros with VBA codes. Additionally, I used this same AI to develop the Expert Advisors and Scripts needed to gather data. I am currently trading on my first FTMO challenge account using this system. His YouTube channel...
Good for you. I made the dashboard, too. But I cannot find a good entry at the right time.
  • #12
  • May 2, 2024 9:10pm May 2, 2024 9:10pm
Useless, don't waste your time. I just spent the last hour or so looking at the videos smh. It's pretty much an over-technical currency meter/currency meter cross with deviations. It can easily done in MT4 and MT5 without using Excels. He likely doesnt have much coding experience which is why he used Excel.
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  • #13
  • May 3, 2024 4:28am May 3, 2024 4:28am
Quoting jblanked
Useless, don't waste your time. I just spent the last hour or so looking at the videos smh. It's pretty much an over-technical currency meter/currency meter cross with deviations. It can easily done in MT4 and MT5 without using Excels. He likely doesnt have much coding experience which is why he used Excel. {image}
Do you know what the cartesian planes (2 diagrams on the left and the one in the middle) shows and how to bring that or how to visualize that on mt4/5 ?
  • #14
  • May 3, 2024 7:32am May 3, 2024 7:32am
Quoting zkchyo
{quote} Good for you. I made the dashboard, too. But I cannot find a good entry at the right time.
Thank you ! I had the same problem too. After using this tool after a while (making trial and error multiple times) , I found that the trades using this approach have better results if you enter between and hour after the beginning of each Market Session (for example European session) and closing the trades a half an hour of the opening of the next session (in this case, the next one is American session) . So the trades last a few hours. Of course, this is just a general rule, but it has helped me to find the good entries that applies to this approach.
  • #15
  • Jun 1, 2024 2:59am Jun 1, 2024 2:59am
Quoting SvinuezaS
{quote} Thank you ! I had the same problem too. After using this tool after a while (making trial and error multiple times) , I found that the trades using this approach have better results if you enter between and hour after the beginning of each Market Session (for example European session) and closing the trades a half an hour of the opening of the next session (in this case, the next one is American session) . So the trades last a few hours. Of course, this is just a general rule, but it has helped me to find the good entries that applies to...
Thanks for your advice. It's been a while. I got a similar results after backtesting and analyzing the data. Hope you are doing well too. Besides momentum, I am now looking for some reversal signals. I think the whole SATORI toolkit could serve it well, too.
  • #16
  • Jun 8, 2024 7:12am Jun 8, 2024 7:12am
Satori could work automatically and no doubt it could work for discretionary trading, such as use it as a trend indicator to look for pairs and direction...etc.
Here's a backtesting report that it's tested without a leverage. So, it's $100k balance for a lot size order. It is good to trade with a leverage with MDD% lower than 2.2%.
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  • #17
  • Jun 8, 2024 11:53am Jun 8, 2024 11:53am
I have studied his approach some time ago and have build the tool in excel. I have advanced excel skills so this was an easy task for me.
I also have trading experience and have tested the system. The way it is designed I would personally not trade it (not my style). but if you add some price action techniques then it will be profitable. But excel is not really the way to go when it comes to trading...
Due my basic MQL4/5 skills I was not able yet to convert it into MQL5 (which would be an interesting approach). If there is somebody out here who wants to create this in MQL then you can contact me.
Its not a holy grail though - but solid.
  • #18
  • Jun 10, 2024 1:49pm Jun 10, 2024 1:49pm
Quoting justtoofast
Its not a holy grail though - but solid.
I did not watch the youtube series, but going by the graphs I guess he calculates currency strength and then trades the mean reversal of the strongest vs weakest pair? You write "solid". What annualized returns are you getting?

Quoting justtoofast
If there is somebody out here who wants to create this in MQL then you can contact me.
Your FF account is too new. People can not PM you (yet).
  • #19
  • Jun 11, 2024 4:23am Jun 11, 2024 4:23am
Quoting zkchyo
Satori could work automatically and no doubt it could work for discretionary trading, such as use it as a trend indicator to look for pairs and direction...etc. Here's a backtesting report that it's tested without a leverage. So, it's $100k balance for a lot size order. It is good to trade with a leverage with MDD% lower than 2.2%. {image}
this is on all 28 pairs, traded out of 1d ohlc? with what RR ratio. How is risk calculated?

i watched the series.
  • #20
  • Jun 11, 2024 8:28am Jun 11, 2024 8:28am
Quoting 21vs7
{quote} this is on all 28 pairs, traded out of 1d ohlc? with what RR ratio. How is risk calculated? i watched the series.
The risk and return are calculated at a portfolio level and we uses VAR as our risk management metric. It's a risk diversified L/S portfolio to take advantage of momentum within the currency market. Instead of setting one R risk for three R gains, we accept 0.25% VAR and take it when it happens. When it doesn't happen, we would love to let the position run til the end of the day. Momentum takes care of the rest, after all that's what this strategy for. Having the performance metrics in mind, the whole account could be grown with a 4X leverage. Linearly calculating, daily VAR becomes to 1%, MDD is around 10% at worst and return is fourfold. I am going to spend the following weeks to improve Sharpe to at least 2.0.
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