Michael S. Jenkins teachings

Up to now you are just making noise with your mouth - advertising for expensive software and Jenkins books - this is the sole content of your 15 posts since your inscription on Forex Factory this month.

unfortunateky for you I am not a Jenkins fan.

the question is not to draw Circles, Squares, Ellipses, "Secret" Angles, "Natural" Levels or Ratio etc.

it is first

a)how to make money on a consistent basis with these tools (if possble)
b) how Optuma is worth its price once we poor mortals have mastered these techniques

Then prove us your hype step by step on a detailed way so that we can decide by ourselves

Easy, easy. We're all in good company here, trying to help each other. Something I've noticed that plagues the trading community is a scarcity mindset, which is why I share freely only from what I know so as to encourage others to do the same. I'm happy to demo whatever you want within the thread rules. I only trade S&P E-mini futures exclusively. I'm currently trading 20 contract positions for about an hour a day, but I'm pretty much lingering around my charts and forums all day studying and working on experiments. My trading method is a combination of Gann/Jenkins astro and geometry, Wyckoff theory, and Bookmap market book order flow. I have a few key strategy approaches I use. If you go back and read my posts, you'll see my comments are aligned with topics or questions as they arise. I've not started any conversations because I don't know what's been discussed here thus far. I don't like asking about stuff that's been explained in the forum several times. My strategy is to go through all the posts and see what I can glean from them and contribute along the way if I see opportunities. Makes sense? I'm not sure why you're not (admittedly) a Jenkins fan. Are you here for the Beck or Gann stuff? Either way, please tone down the attacks and maybe refer back to the thread rules. Maybe you've been here so long that it's the 'new guy' that has to remind you of them. I don't have anything to prove, but if you or anyone are wondering about anything, just ask. You say it's 'not about drawing' but about 'making money', well, you have to have impeccable technicals if you're to make any money, and the forum intro does encourage using Optuma, so why stay limited to doing everything by hand even though that's where you got grounded. The thread intro post by DiamondMiner says clearly: we encourage the use of Professional Charts like Optuma before mt4 for better results. I've sacrificed two complete years of my life and lifestyle to get my trading off the ground. Sacrifices have been made. I'd love to demo my full process for you, but I'm not sure it's even allowed here as the scope is clearly focused on 'hand drawn charts'. I'll share a drawing I did for somebody on the fly here in this thread who PM'd nicely. (https://www.screencast.com/t/pE4kduQK4l) PM me if you want to see the analysis that went with this. Optuma does the same as the manual process being taught here, but simply drops everything into a chart the way you'd apply an indicator. While Optuma has been recommended by the thread mod, posting about indicators has not. Not my rules. The merit of learning to do everything by hand speaks for itself, but once you get it, it's encouraged you take some steps to automate it. A friendly ask, please try not to turn off those 'in the know' who might otherwise stick around here to share if only they would be treated nicely and with respect. I'm also here to learn from you as much as I'm here to contribute, and I don't want to find out 85 pages later that all the high-value contributors have been chased off by baby trolls. Let's start all over. You seem to be an O.G. here. Give it some time and we'll soon learn what each other is about. Peace.

you are on my "ignore" list - category : Suspected bullshitter

You shall know a tree by its fruit. We could do a live trading challenge on a streaming channel and see who's full of bullwinkle.

I'm posting this as friendly warning to the subscribers to this thread because you need to know there are trolls being allowed to roam around in threads dedicated to devotees of the late W.D. Gann, such as Jenkins, and even W.D. Gann himself, which will be very counterproductive to your trading success.

E.g.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...4#post14053174
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post14050971
This message is not about a character attack on anyone, but more of a 'note to self', the Collective Self (all of us). If you are serious about studying any trading strategy that has its roots in the sacred geometry or astrology, please make more of an effort to make it an introspective journey rather than an outwardly pursuit. There are people who, understandably so, want to skip the grind that comes with the inquiry process when delving into the esoteric, and I'm warning you that you need to realign that approach and instead consider this a life spiritual journey. I know from personal experience that the more one learns and the more success one attains, the greater the tendency to drift away from people who have bad energy. This is the crux of the warning to everyone. Please be on the look out for trolls who are here (along the path in your journey) displaying counterproductive behavior that does not help you. They are the ones who will misguide you after you've been told by a 'wiseman along the road' which direction to go, and when these types are allowed to flock, you'll notice not a single wise man hanging around. Neither in old times nor now has it ever been a smart practice to ask somebody in the know to carry you by the hand all the way to your journey (at least not for free), so expect to do some searching and navigating. If you set your compass set correctly, with the help of many friends you will reach your destination and it will be much more pleasurable.

I'm new here and have already been attacked while providing valuable advice, to which I responded with a trading challenge to shut down the drivel being directed at me. I've issued a public trading challenge to this troll which he's conveniently "ignored" to save face (but we all know he saw the post, except instead of creating a new play buddy to stoop down to his level, he got called out to a higher plane he cannot go to).

As I've stated here before, I'm going to go through ALL the posts in this thread, see where I can make a contribution along the way, and only then start contributing my own unique stuff. My key piece of advice for now is to keep on the lookout for people who contribute nothing of value towards you learning the truth, and to stay on the path my friend. You'll get there, and there will be other old druids like me along the way to point you in the right direction or provide confirmations that you're on the right track. The greatest hidden truth in all of Gann's work, who by the way was a God fearing man (fearing as in he was in awe of God, not afraid) is that there is a resonance to the market which you must get in harmony with, not just your charts, but YOU. This Law of Vibration principle extends not only into Gann's forecasting methods that Jenkins now teaches (Jenkins is still alive, though he's more of a practical practitioner, an analog form of the high-vibrating spiritual Gann), but it's also the critically essential frequency of the market's spirit you must resonate with and bring to this endeavor. I'm not going to 'scripture whip' anyone, but bringing strife into this thread is a colossal mistake of Biblical proportions and detrimental to your success and you'll become a stumbling block to the success of others.

CC to mods: @DiamondMiner

My 2 cents on Gann

I discovered Gann in 1998 when I returned on the market. That is 21 years ago.

I was attracted by the Angles then by the Horizontal Lines much more known under the denomination of "Murrey Maths"

Since then I have read almost all what is published on the net about Gann. Books , articles, comments. I have looked at almost all threads with Gann in their title or related to Gann. Roughly it amounts to 9 Gigabytes on my hard disk.

I have some books about Gann but no books written by Gann

Practicing Gann tools and reading about Gann since 20 years I progressively built my view on Gann

Gann was a very normal trader like DiamondMiner, me and many others !

Gann made researches like us. Gann tested numerous tools indicators, methodologies , hypothesis like us

Gann made money enough to survive 50 years on the market. Gann loosed money like we have.

Gann was a trader AND a professional selling advices, newsletters and courses and promoted his tools and researches.

This mixed behaviour has consequences :

- as a professional dealing with other professionnals you can not write that Theory X promoted by Professional Asshole Y is just crap

- having customers who buy your courses , newsletters and advices with real dollars you have to take into account what your customers like and want

you can not say to Customer Asshole A who like Theory X promoted by Professional Asshole Y that he is an asshole as well as Professional Y and that Theory X is crap ..... if you need to cash in his dollars.

you play it neutral "it is good that there are different ways to analyze the market, " different guys, different ways" " Theory X underlines some interesting points but raises some questions"

My 2 cents on Gann (2)

R.N. Elliot is born in 1871 and died in 1948
W.D. Gann is born in 1878 and died in 1955

Hence it is very realistic to imagine that working both on the markets at the same period both Elliott and Gann have examined their respective work . De facto they have respected a modus vivendi : no commentary on each other, no duplication of tools or concepts.

Gann just used the concept of "Campaign" mimicking more or less the concept of "wave" - but it was marginal in his work. An ad-hoc concept IMHO developed to make quiet his customers interested by Elliott.

The key point is that Gann never at the end of his life has made a recension, a selection of his tools and methodologies. " After 50 years on the market here is what I use because I found it works the best"

Hence after his death his "spiritual heirs" could develop all the tools Gann has tested including those he disregarded or no more used.

It was good for the "Gann industry"

By the way I hold for grotesque and ludicrous the "coded" and "veiled" language and the idea that Gann has developed and promoted public and efficient trading tools and methodologies to hide more efficient tools and methodologies from the public.

A perspective on Gann that does not take God, Bible math and astrology into account is worth about.... well, you got it right.

I recommend that anyone trying to reduce Gann to a TA "method" read the Wyckoff interview with Gann to start with, as Wyckoff actually investigated Gann, and as a renowned technical analysist concluded Gann was legit. Then make a firm decision about whether you want to know the truth or not because you'll have to prepare for the journey. The decision and respective path you'll have to take is a binary option, so choose your way carefully and stay on it. The truth is hard to find for a good reason, and it won't take 20 years to find it unless you ignore the core tenets; then it will be a fool's errand looking for something you have no idea or image of what it looks like and would not recognize it if you saw it. Once you decide you will and must find the truth, your relentless efforts will help you start to peel the layers back from the once perceived veil and you'll realize it's all hiding in sight, yet cloaked from those who should not have it. At that point, you'll know why some things are better off 'hidden', and why you must also be careful.

Some tips to keep in mind:

There is a living force beneath all things, call it God or whatever.

This living, intelligent universal consciousness is expressed in all things, which in analog form looks like 'math', 'geometry', and 'physics' to the uninitiated, but its spiritual counterpart is actually quite fluid, permeates all things (which includes us) and is revealed as bio rhythms (cycles) that govern the cosmos (yes, and us) which we can plainly see if we try.

The cosmos are on the largest cycles which break down into smaller and smaller fractals that impact the human experience at all levels; be the ocean tide rising to the lunar cycles, the menstrual cycle of women responding to the moon calendar, or even the stock market which responds to sun and lunar activity, which we simply and rather unwittingly just plot as bar charts and dismiss the rest.

Finally, being that all is essentially "code" in this rather 'analog' state we experience consciousness in, relative to the absolute spiritual form living consciousness truly abides in, it is ignorant to abhor the codified nature of life itself as well as the coded nature of things we build our lives with. The so called codes are codified in the Bible, which Gann actually summarized in his book, Tunnel Thru the Air, contrary to the belief that he 'never left anything' or that he should have left everything out in plain view in the public domain (because somehow zero market volatility would have been a great thing for traders and the pursuit of making money).

I'm not actually here to proselytize, but I do think this was a valuable exchange even though it started out the wrong way, and I do believe it has helped put some folks back on the right path.

I literally just joined although I've been a lurker here for nearly 18 months now, having read most of the pages here, and having studied Jenkins' work on and off for about the same time, some in more detail than others. Having paid close attention to how he does stuff, I've personally concluded that what he teaches, which is his own interpretations and studies of Gann's methods, really holds up and can be invaluable in your trading.

Of course much more goes into trading than your charts showing potential turning points, like the psychology, your risk management, etc. so even with great charts you can still screw it up.
IMO those are two entirely different disciplines, and many folks believe having 'the best charts' is all you need. I've actually read of traders who hated the actual trade placing/management and ended up rather managing funds with someone else doing the trading. But that's a big digress.

It's just awesome that there's a place here where Jenkins' work can be discussed, because it doesn't really exist anywhere else.

Evodio, it sounds like you've really studied his works. Have you personally read the latest book too? Curious on your thoughts if you have. I've actually been searching around to see if there are any other folks out there that teach geometric principles like Jenkins does, since my trading approach has been really shaped by it, but I also wonder at times what else is out there. It's just so damn hard to find anything. I wouldn't have found this forum if I hadn't already heard of Jenkins by name from other traders I know.

Here is a eMini chart with semi-circle arc lined up with 38.2% smaller circle arc, along with dual Tangent(30)/57.7° vertical lines off of low and mid point line of opening price/low intersection:-

Jenkins SAL showed up today after the strong 160 pip drop, I measured the m1 angle using a 60 degree as the basis. The JSA held the fort for another 140 pip drop. Very sharp!

post 1591. that file has a trojon in it, scanned with virustotal.com
I would like to find a safe source to get that info ,planet angles shown around14.12min in the video. anyone understand or know where to find or make this data?

Here's the link from MSJ himself with explanation on how to use it:

http://www.michaeljenkinstradingreso...20Programs.htm

Hi,

New member here and interested so far in Jenkins teachings. Anyone familiar with the following and have any input?

Squaring the Range Trading System
Stock Trading Using Planetary Cycles - The Gann Method Volume 1
Stock Trading Using Planetary Cycles - The Gann Method Volume II
Gann Astro Vol III - Advanced Astrology - Horoscopes and Trading Methods

Hi,

Which video is it that you are talking about? I'm searching through all the threads but haven't seen anything yet.

Thanks for all the info you have provided.

would you have Jenkins Planetary cycles books 1-2-3 please.

Hi,

Been checking out the secret angle method. Any clearer document so that the charts are visible?

Thanks.

If anyone has Degree to Price Converter, Angles and GannWheel software from MSJ please share.

Thanks!

I guess this thread is dead because none of the originators seem to have input anymore. I'm definitely looking to learn but am not getting any responses. But I'm trying to learn the best I can from what has been posted. Good luck to you.

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