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  • #1,781
  • Nov 16, 2006 7:07pm Nov 16, 2006 7:07pm
Quoting itme
Thanks, CKalee.

The best traders that I know all have an engineering background. Their instinctive and cultivated faith in the principle of natural law equips them to discern the organisational principles behind market behavior.

The markets are like all other phenomena - two dimensional manifestations of three or four dimensional vortices. Fluid Mechanics is able to explain the patterns we see. It takes a very dedicated, well disciplined and creative mind to discover the equations of the market, but it has been done.
We do have to stop meeting like this, Itme.

In any case, I have often wondered whether we actually discover, on uncover, an order which is inherent in the natural phenomena we are studying, or whether we impose an order where there is none.

Even if the 'order' we uncover is only illusory, it may still be useful in allowing us to interact with and manipulate those phenomena. The fact that this occurs does not necessarily prove that the order exists outside of the humans who formulate it, in other words it may have no objective reality. The underlying principle in the universe may actually be chaos rather than order but the human mind has difficulty even contemplating that possibility.

I have no answers, but many questions.
  • #1,782
  • Nov 16, 2006 7:53pm Nov 16, 2006 7:53pm
I have come to the conclusion that trading is the modern day equivalent of alchemy. At one level, we seek the secret of turning dross metal into unlimited gold. But in truth our quest is to master the secrets of the Universe, to master our Selves and our base emotions, and the production of gold is the test of this mastery.
A noble quest...
It seems that as yet I am a long way from mastery!
  • #1,783
  • Nov 16, 2006 8:16pm Nov 16, 2006 8:16pm
Quoting itme
Man strives to cognize the reality of the universe, and for this he possesses the ability to reason. He has come to the correct conclusion that thought is energy, and this shows that valid research will bring tangible results. Man follows an intensively scientific path, and providing that the science is pure and unprejudiced, there are no notions, however lofty, that are not compatible with scientific methods.

Science is the foundation for the future success of humanity. But this statement must be understood correctly. Scientists regard themselves as bearers of knowledge, but we must recognize that few of them understand the significance of the improved knowledge that will exist in the future.

We should not divide science into materialistic and idealistic, or supermundane and mundane. The key requirements for scientific progress must be known - open-mindedness, the love of truth and creativity. These are only possible through the expansion of consciousness The acquiring of knowledge cannot move forward without the inspiration of the primary force. Thus, one can observe diligent scientists who skillfully collect significant materials but do not know how to assemble them into a beautiful discovery. On the other hand, one can see scientists who even with limited means are able to succeed and introduce useful innovations.

Humanity proceeds by the way of scientific theory, but progress is too slow, and ignorance impedes any acceleration. It is time for outworn concepts to fall away, otherwise self-important innovators will prove in the end to be the most obstructive.

We must be careful not to become victims of limited, backward definitions. Subservient science and blindness prevents pseudo-realists from attaining that for which they are striving. Precisely like the Pharisees of old, they conceal fear before admitting that which is already obvious to others. We do not love the ignorant, and we do not love cowards who in their terror trample the possibilities of evolution.

Extinguishers of fires, haters of the Light, are you not all alike, from whatever side you come crawling! You wish to put out the flame of knowledge; but the ignorant community is a prison, because community and ignorance are incompatible. It is necessary to know. Believe not, but know!

Without attentiveness the laws of the Universe cannot be studied.

Thought is like lightning, and not knowing where a thought originates, you are unable to transform it into words. A thought may strike your consciousness, but without the process of thinking, it will remain unrevealed and lie ungerminated, like a seed in infertile soil. Such dried up thoughts sadden the Universal Thinker, who sends these salutary signs through space. Centuries may be needed for the proper growth of a seed of thought.

In schools the art of thinking should be studied above all. One should be trained in the art of constant thinking and learn to be ashamed of thoughtlessness. Man is unable not to think, but there is a great difference between harmonious, disciplined thinking and the oscillations of chaotic thoughtlessness, which not only influences man, but space itself.

How long will it be before man emerges from the waves of chaos?
Heavy stuff, man

Very deep.
  • #1,784
  • Nov 16, 2006 8:22pm Nov 16, 2006 8:22pm
How miraculous that chaos has manifested all of us....pondering whether or not there is a higher order...

"The eye with which I see God is the I with which God sees me".

(Some shameless mystic)
  • #1,785
  • Nov 17, 2006 3:38am Nov 17, 2006 3:38am
Quote
In schools the art of thinking should be studied above all. One should be trained in the art of constant thinking and learn to be ashamed of thoughtlessness. Man is unable not to think, but there is a great difference between harmonious, disciplined thinking and the oscillations of chaotic thoughtlessness, which not only influences man, but space itself.


The Tao Te Ching would argue:

LXIII.

[The Sage] acts as though not acting. He occupies himself as though having nothing to do. He relishes that which is insipid—the T<small>AO</small>.

The great, the small, the many, the few, [are all equal in his sight]. He recompenses injury with kindness. In setting about difficult tasks, he begins with what is easy. In performing great things, he begins with little ones.

The difficult affairs of the world must be begun from what is easy the great things of the world must be begun from what is small. That is why the Sage never sets about great undertakings and yet is able to accomplish great things.

Lightly made promises lead to very little faith [being placed in the promiser]. He to whom most things are very easy at first will certainly find many difficulties afterwards. Thus the Sage always recognises the existence of difficulty, and by this means he never experiences any difficulty in practice.

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And also on not-acting and nature:

------------------------

5. WITHOUT INTENTION Nature acts without intent,
so cannot be described
as acting with benevolence,
nor malevolence to any thing.

In this respect, the Tao is just the same,
though in reality it should be said
that nature follows the rule of Tao.

Therefore, even when he seems to act
in manner kind or benevolent,
the sage is not acting with such intent,
for in conscious matters such as these,
he is amoral and indifferent.

The sage retains tranquility,
and is not by speech or thought disturbed,
and even less by action which is contrived.
His actions are spontaneous,
as are his deeds towards his fellow men.

By this means he is empty of desire,
and his energy is not drained from him.

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It's a cute little book with pretty words
I also like Nietzsche. Evolve yourself instead of looking and hoping towards the intangible and make your own rules and way and make the moment count, be your own judge and sanctioner.

I find price action comes close to the spontaneous reaction described in the TTC and you simply trade what's there instead of what you think should be there, but I do count 1-2-3s with FEs occassionally as well, but that's as far as I'm willing to take my acting

*goes back to not-acting*
Trust price. Know yourself.
  • #1,786
  • Nov 17, 2006 4:01am Nov 17, 2006 4:01am
Friday November 17 at 4:45 ET

 Trade Signal #242A Sell USD/CAD at 1.1450

Stop is 1.1474

Target is 1.1210

Risk is 28 pips

Reward is 236 pips

Reward : Risk ratio is 8.4 to 1

For research purposes only.

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Previous trade signal:

Trade Signal #242 Sell USD/CAD at 1.1405 <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1">Wednesday November 15 at 7:30 ET
Trade Signal #242 Sell USD/CAD at 1.1405
Stop is 1.1423
Target is 1.1340
Risk is 22 pips
Reward is 61 pips
Reward : Risk ratio is 2.8 to 1

For research purposes only.

This may be the beginning of a Wave 4 downwards. This trade is not a system compliant trade, in that it is a corrective wave and it has a relatively low reward : risk ratio. However, we include it in order to test our model.

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p.s. - It is not clear to me on what basis I generated the above trade signal. The high probability reversal prices are at 1.1417 and 1.1426. That means that the entry price should have been at one of the above figures, and the stop should have been at 1.1451. So the above trade is not system compliant for several reasons. The highest price reached so far is 1.1427.
  • #1,787
  • Nov 17, 2006 4:12am Nov 17, 2006 4:12am
Friday November 17 at 5:00 ET

Re-entry opportunity at 1.2520 for Trade Signal #239 Sell USD/CHF at 1.2507

Revised stop is 1.2546

Revised target is 1.2350

Revised risk is 30 pips

Revised reward is 166 pips

Revised reward : risk ratio is 5.5 to 1
 <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> Previous trade signal:

 Wednesday November 15 at 5:30 ET
Trade Signal #239 Sell USD/CHF at 1.2507
Stop is 1.2536
Target is 1.2315
Risk is 32 pips
Reward is 189 pips
Reward : Risk ratio is 5.9 to 1

For research purposes only.
  • #1,788
  • Nov 17, 2006 4:34am Nov 17, 2006 4:34am
Friday November 17 at 5:30 ET

EUR/CAD rose just now to 1.4634. Wave analysis suggests that it will now fall about 100 pips to 1.4520 to 1.4550 and then rise to a new high at about 1.4650. This new high will be a good low risk / high reward trade opportunity to sell EUR/CAD for a long move downwards. By then it will have been range bound for about a week, and be ready for a good run.

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Previous EUR/CAD commentary:

<hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1">On November 13 , 2006 I said " According to my analysis, if EUR/CAD rises to between 1.4645 and 1.4665 from its current price of 1.4555, and finishes a small upwards five wave pattern (starting at 1.4518), then it will possibly be a good short for a Wave 4 corrective wave down to about 1.4350."

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As of Wednesday November 15, this is the situation:

The price subsequently rose to 1.4631, close to the target entry price, then fell to 1.4550. The price may rise again to between 1.4645 and 1.4665 after it falls to about 1.4535, and present a good low risk : high reward opportunity to short this volatile pair. The current price is 1.4605, and appears poised to fall.
  • #1,789
  • Nov 17, 2006 4:41am Nov 17, 2006 4:41am
Thanks, everyone, for this little philosophical, metaphysical, mystical, and comtemplative interlude. It's healthy to reflect on deeper matters between trading sessions, and thus deepen our understanding of life, ourselves and the universe. I agree that currency trading is a kind of modern alchemy that demands the transformation of the trader in order to attain the prize - the philosopher's stone that has the capacity to transform lead into gold, figuratively speaking.
  • #1,790
  • Nov 17, 2006 4:57am Nov 17, 2006 4:57am
Analysis of GBP/JPY for Friday November 17 at 5:30 ET

GBP/JPY did indeed rise as predicted from the reversal point at 222.48 to a recent high of 223.36 and is now engaged in a downwards A-B-C corrective wave.

The current price is 223.20.

The bottom of this wave at about 222.80 could be a viable low risk : high reward long trade with a target of 225.00 to 226.00. The safest trade will be the trade down from this ultimate high point, however.
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Analysis of GBP/JPY for Wednesday November 15 9:30 ET <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message -->
GBP/JPY has fallen this morning to 222.48, which appears to be the low for this downwards trend which took it down 280 pips from its recent high of 225.28. It is now headed back up to about 225.00 again as GBP/USD rises strongly.

The current price is 222.68
  • #1,791
  • Edited 7:58am Nov 17, 2006 6:31am | Edited 7:58am
Friday November 17 at 7:30 ET

Trade Signal #241 Sell USD/JPY at 1.1814 was based on a rather blatant error in Elliott Wave counting. The corrective waves can be a little tricky, since there is an A-B-C configuration, with the A a 1-2-3-4-5 and the B an a-b-c, then the C a 1-2-3-4-5 .

The price has subsequently fallen 39 pips to 117.75, then risen part way on a final wave up to a recent high of 118.46, slightly shy of the stop. The new probable reversal value is 118.67. The stop should thus be adjusted to 118.91.

Alternatively, the original trade could be exited at the current price of 118.34, and then re-entered if the new entry price is met. It is possible that that the price will not rise any higher than the recent high of 118.46 due to the presence of a strong resistance line at that point, so holding on to the current trade and keeping the same stop is another option.

New trade signal:

Trade Signal #241A Sell USD/JPY at 1.1867

Stop is 118.91

Target #1 is 1.1675
Target #2 is 1.1630

 Risk is 28 pips

Reward is 188 / 233 pips

Reward : Risk ratio is 6.7 / 8.3 to 1

For research purposes only.
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Previous trade signal:

Wednesday November 15 at 6:00 ET
Trade Signal #241 Sell USD/JPY at 1.1814
Stop is 1.1851
Target is 1.1650
Risk is 40 pips
Reward is 161 pips
Reward : Risk ratio is 4.0 to 1

For research purposes only.

This may be the beginning of a Wave 3 downwards.
  • #1,792
  • Nov 17, 2006 6:42am Nov 17, 2006 6:42am
Hi Itme,

A curiosity about Elliot theory, as everybody is talking in the last period.

basically Elliot theory and your experiment, for what I understand, is not focused to catch the current trend, and then its best entry points to continue the trend from there, but is focused on catching the end point of a wave of that trend , and basically start to trade against the current trend , assuming that the trend is reversing there.

Am I correct ? Is this not a way to keep trying to enter against the main trend supposing that the trend will change exactly there ?

If you consider the end point of the wave, which timeframe you use guys to catch the last big wave ?

Thanks
  • #1,793
  • Nov 17, 2006 6:43am Nov 17, 2006 6:43am
At the current price of 1.1472, USD/CAD is an especially good short opportunity. The stop should be adjusted to 1.1491. The original entry price was too low, and the stop should have been in a more conservative location.

Friday November 17 at 4:45 ET

 Trade Signal #242A Sell USD/CAD at 1.1450

Stop is 1.1474

Target is 1.1210

Risk is 28 pips

Reward is 236 pips

Reward : Risk ratio is 8.4 to 1

For research purposes only.
  • #1,794
  • Nov 17, 2006 6:49am Nov 17, 2006 6:49am
Hi Trucco. Thanks for the question.

As I explained in the initial post, the experiment here is to see if a method can be developed to predict the reversal point of longish as well as medium length trends. The trading system that may emerge from this research may not involve trading in this fashion, but rather entering trades after the new trend has already proven itself, at a strategic entry point, probably the end of the second wave, and the beginning of the third wave, and also the end of the fourth wave, which is the beginning of the fifth wave in certain cases.

The reasons for this are manifold, but principally because it is easier to get the wave count correct that way, and secondly because the ratio of reward to risk is better when trading impulse waves.

This part of your question I don't really understand. Could you clarify it please?

" If you consider the end point of the wave, which timeframe you use guys to catch the last big wave ? "
  • #1,795
  • Nov 17, 2006 7:09am Nov 17, 2006 7:09am
Quoting itme
Hi Trucco. Thanks for the question.

As I explained in the initial post, the experiment here is to see if a method can be developed to predict the reversal point of longish as well as medium length trends. The trading system that may emerge from this research may not involve trading in this fashion, but rather entering trades after the new trend has already proven itself, at a strategic entry point, probably the end of the second wave, and the beginning of the third wave, and also the end of the fourth wave, which is the beginning of the fifth wave in certain cases.

The reasons for this are manifold, but principally because it is easier to get the wave count correct that way, and secondly because the ratio of reward to risk is better when trading impulse waves.

This part of your question I don't really understand. Could you clarify it please?

" If you consider the end point of the wave, which timeframe you use guys to catch the last big wave ? "

Hi Itme,
thanks for answer.

with : " If you consider the end point of the wave, which timeframe you use guys to catch the last big wave ? "

i mean :

As when you put trades you put the risk let say 30 pips, and te reward 200 or more pips, for instance, with a ratio generally 1:5 or 1:6 (risk/rew), I was wondering if the top of the wave that you consider the end of the current big trend and the beginning of the reverseal is 'calculated' on a big timeframe. If you consider the waves on a small timeframe, let say 15-30 minutes or also 1 H, I think its hard to put a risk/rew ratio 1:6 etc.
I hope I could explain better. To calculate a risk/rew 1:6 you must be on the top wave of the highest wave I mean
  • #1,796
  • Edited 7:38am Nov 17, 2006 7:18am | Edited 7:38am
Friday November 17 at 8:15 ET

Trade Signal #244 Buy AUD/USD at .7644

We recently sold AUD/USD twice, obtaining 60 and 44 pips of profit. Since we last exited AUD/USD fell to .7614, thirty pips lower than we expected, and the price has subsequently risen in two impulse waves and fallen in two corrective waves. We believe that it has just finished its fourth wave down which means that we can buy it at the current market price of .7644 and hold for a target of about .7800.

The stop is .7628

Target is .7800

Risk is 18 pips

Reward is 162 pips

Reward : Risk ratio is 9.0 to 1
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Previous Comments and Trade Signals:

Re-assessment of Trade Signal #221 Sell AUD/USD at 1.7750 <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> With Trade Signal #221 Sell AUD/USD at 1.7750 we sold AUD/USD at 1.7750, then we did an interim exit at the market price of .7687 to capture 60 pips of profit, then we re-entered at what we took to be the top of the corrective wave at .7692 . The price subsequently rose to .7760, much higher than expected, and then recently fell to .7645, still far short of our original target at .7540 .

A re-appraisal of the AUD/USD situation leads us to believe that the original premise of this trade is incorrect, and that we were trading a corrective wave down with a target of the recent low price, that the price may not descend any lower than this recent low price, and that we should have exited the trade at the recent low of .7645 to take a second profit of 44 pips, and that the upwards target of this present move, which is the fifth large wave of the trend which began October 11, 2006 at a price of .7415 is between .7800 and .7885.

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Re-enter Trade Signal #221 Sell AUD/USD at market price

Monday November 6 at 4:00 ET

We advised an interim exit of trade on Friday pending a Wave 4 correction.
The correction finished at .7704, 17 pips higher. That would have been the perfect price to re-sell. If that was not done, then re-enter now at .7692.
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Previous Trade Signal:

Friday November 3 at 9:00 ET

Exit Trade Signal #221 Sell AUD/USD at 1.7750 at the market price of .7687

Profit is 60 pips
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Tuesday October 31 at 13:00 ET
Trade Signal #221 Sell AUD/USD at 1.7750
Stop is 1.7776
Target is 1.7540
Risk is 30 pips
Reward is 205 pips
Reward : Risk ratio is 6.8 to 1

For research purposes only.

Note: the Elliott Wave count is not clear, so this is a low confidence trade, just an experiment.
  • #1,797
  • Nov 17, 2006 8:33am Nov 17, 2006 8:33am
At 9:15 ET this news story hit the wires, the exact time the USD was penalised about 50 pips instantly on the majors in unstable price spikes. This news story happened to co-incide with the time and price when we predicted a reversal of the major currency pairs towards a decline in the USD:

Troops hunt for kidnapped contractors

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript"> <!-- if ( location.hostname.toLowerCase().indexOf( "edition." ) != -1 ) { document.write('POSTED: 1415 GMT (2215 HKT), November 17, 2006'); }else { document.write('POSTED: 9:15 a.m. EST, November 17, 2006'); } //--> </script><!-- /date -->POSTED: 9:15 a.m. EST, November 17, 2006

<!--endclickprintinclude--><!--startclickprintinclude--> <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">var clickExpire = "-1";</script> <!---->Story Highlights

• NEW: One kidnapped American identified as Paul Reuben of Minnesota
• NEW: Drivers of South Asian origin were taken, later released, firm says
• Convoy ambushed at checkpoint in southern Iraq, military spokesman says
• Arrest warrant issued for leading Sunni cleric, an Iraqi military official says

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Coalition forces Friday were searching "aggressively" for five security contractors, including four Americans, who were abducted Thursday during an ambush on their convoy, a military source said.

A spokesman for Crescent Security Group said five of their security personnel were "unaccounted for." The contractors disappeared near Basra on Thursday afternoon.

He identified one of the Americans as Paul Reuben, a Minnesotan, and said the fifth contractor was an Austrian national.

A spokeswoman for the Austrian foreign ministry in Vienna said the Austrian was a 25-year-old male from Upper Austria, according to The Associated Press.

The supply convoy was traveling from Kuwait, where Crescent operates, to Tallil Airbase near Nasiriya in southern Iraq when it was ambushed, the Crescent spokesman said.

Local militia masquerading as Iraqi police attacked the convoy, using a fake police checkpoint, according to a military source....


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html
  • #1,798
  • Nov 17, 2006 8:56am Nov 17, 2006 8:56am
Friday November 17 at 10:00 ET

CAD/JPY seems to have completed its entire wave pattern and came to the precise most probable trend reversal price of 102.97, a reversal price which is confirmed on three time periods.

Trade Signal #228A Buy CAD/JPY at 102.97

 Stop is 102.48

 Target #1 is 106.10
Target #2 is 106.70

 Risk is 59 pips

Reward is 303 / 363 pips

Reward : Risk ratio is 5.1 /6.1 to 1

For research purposes only.
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CAD/JPY update for Thursday November 16 at 5:00 ET

As predicted earlier CAD/JPY declined further, reaching 103.07 so far, and is likely to fall further to 102.50 to 102.75 before a good low risk / high reward opportunity to buy it emerges.

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Previous comment and trade signal:

Comment on failed Trade Signal #228 Buy CAD/JPY at 103.85 <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1">The trade signal #228 buying CAD/JPY was based on an impossible wave count. We said at the time "In terms of Elliott Wave, this is estimated to be the third impulse wave of a large upwards fifth wave." The problem is that there had only been a 1-2-3-4-5 downwards wave at the time of the entry, which constitutes an A of an A-B-C downwards corrective wave. There was still an upwards B and a downwards C to go before we should have entered that buy trade. We identified the bottom of Wave A to the precise pip at 103.85, but didn't keep track of the Wave Pattern properly. The long trade which we entered was only the B wave which only went up 87 pips to 104.72. We should have exited the trade there and reversed.

The price has since fallen 137 pips to 103.35, and it is still possible for the price to fall a little more before the long trade entry price is reached.
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Tuesday November 8 at 00:45 ET
Trade Signal #228 Buy CAD/JPY at 103.85
Stop is 103.54
Target #1 is 105.70
Target #2 is 107.30
Risk is 41 pips
Reward is 175 / 335 pips
Reward : Risk ratio is 4.3 /8.4 to 1

For research purposes only.

In terms of Elliott Wave, this is estimated to be the third impulse wave of a large upwards fifth wave.
  • #1,799
  • Nov 17, 2006 9:21am Nov 17, 2006 9:21am
Friday November 17 at 10:15 ET

Trade Signal #245 Sell EUR/CAD at 1.4678

The stop is 1.4712

Target is 1.4425

Risk is 44 pips

Reward is 243 pips

Reward : Risk ratio is 5.5 to 1

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EUR/CAD commentary for Friday November 17 at 5:30 ET <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1">Friday November 17 at 5:30 ET

EUR/CAD rose just now to 1.4634. Wave analysis suggests that it will now fall about 100 pips to 1.4520 to 1.4550 and then rise to a new high at about 1.4650. This new high will be a good low risk / high reward trade opportunity to sell EUR/CAD for a long move downwards. By then it will have been range bound for about a week, and be ready for a good run.

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Previous EUR/CAD commentary:

<hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1">On November 13 , 2006 I said " According to my analysis, if EUR/CAD rises to between 1.4645 and 1.4665 from its current price of 1.4555, and finishes a small upwards five wave pattern (starting at 1.4518), then it will possibly be a good short for a Wave 4 corrective wave down to about 1.4350."

_____________________________________

As of Wednesday November 15, this is the situation:

The price subsequently rose to 1.4631, close to the target entry price, then fell to 1.4550. The price may rise again to between 1.4645 and 1.4665 after it falls to about 1.4535, and present a good low risk : high reward opportunity to short this volatile pair. The current price is 1.4605, and appears poised to fall.
  • #1,800
  • Nov 17, 2006 9:35am Nov 17, 2006 9:35am
I have been reluctant to follow this thread (due to seeing so many wrong and bickering ellioticians) but have been checking in every now and then.
It looks like Itme has this wave thing figured out, so my question is have you posted your method of reading the waves.

If yes I am not asking for where it is I will find it on my own as that is part of the learning process.

Thanks,

Don
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