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  • #4,561
  • Jun 28, 2022 7:12am Jun 28, 2022 7:12am
it is important to take into account the passage of time ... the blue squares represent the daily cycle ... it is closing and this is why eurusd pushes downwards.
I put lines of various lengths so I see the passing of the hours ... a daily cycle rarely lasts 24 hours but ends within a very specific time window ranging from 21 hours to 27 (half of 54 ... half of 108)
this chart is a normal chart of 15 min
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  • #4,562
  • Jun 28, 2022 7:41am Jun 28, 2022 7:41am
last chart (5 min)
27/2=13.5 (13 or 14 bars)
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  • #4,563
  • Jun 28, 2022 8:19am Jun 28, 2022 8:19am
another 2 hours cycle 24 bars on 5 min chart from X to Y
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  • #4,564
  • Jun 28, 2022 8:25am Jun 28, 2022 8:25am
Quoting carbonmimeti
sorry..6 hors..not 7 6 hours are 72 bars on 5min chart (144/2) 7 hours are 84 bars and from previous low you can find future low after 81/84 other tourning point are 96...104..108
now from Z to Y = 86 bars and bounces
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  • #4,565
  • Jun 28, 2022 8:29am Jun 28, 2022 8:29am
The Slopes of the Egyptian Pyramids



The Great Pyramid of Khufu has been a popular subject of speculation for centuries. How was it constructed? Who built it? How old is it? What is the significance of its dimensions, its shape, its orientation with respect to the other Pyramids at Giza? What was its purpose? These topics and others are discussed in many books and on many websites. (Check here for a collection of links and references which vary from serious scholarship to rather absurd but imaginative fantasies.) In particular, one can find in this literature extensive data about the dimensions of the Great Pyramid and its various chambers and passageways as well as all the significant angles in that structure. Strangely, one finds far less speculation and also less data concerning the other major Pyramids in Egypt. A number of these other Pyramids are still standing: The Step Pyramid of Djoser at Saqqara, the Bent Pyramid and the Red Pyramid of Sneferu at Dahshur, and the Pyramids of Khafre and Menkaure at Giza. Excluding the Step Pyramid of Djoser, these Pyramids as well as the Pyramid of Khufu were all built during the 4th Dynasty over a period of just one century. They all have the shape of a true pyramid, but the details of their construction are somewhat different. Even the slopes of their faces differ. And that is the topic of this page.
I first became aware of the questions and speculations about the shape of the Great Pyramid of Khufu while reading A. Pochan's book The Mysteries of the Great Pyramid. There one finds a long discussion of the relationship of the slope of the Pyramid's faces to the number &pi and another famous relationship involving the number &phi. Pochan also mentions the fact that the slope of each face of the Pyramid is very close to 14/11 and that the slope of each edge is very close to 9/10. He realizes that such relationships might be coincidental and does not take it for granted (as some other writers seem to) that those relationships reflect the actual intentions of the architect(s) involved in the design and building of the Great Pyramid. Any one of those relationships would determine the shape of the Pyramid (assuming that the base is square and the faces are isosceles triangles). Therefore, if an architect chose to design a pyramid based on the relationship involving &pi (for example), then the relationships involving &phi or 9/10 or 14/11 would also be exhibited by the resulting pyramid with a high level of accuracy. This would be so whether or not the architect had any interest in or awareness of those other relationships.
When I first read Pochan's discussion of the various relationships, the one involving 9/10 (as the slope of the edges) seemed to me to be the most compelling for the following reason. One of the many challenges for the builders of the Pyramids would have been to make a structure that rises beautifully and accurately to its apex. The silhouette of a pyramid is dominated by its edges. It must have been of the utmost importance to the builders that these edges be constructed as straightly as possible. Thus, in placing the outer blocks of each course, it would seem logical to carefully position the corner blocks first and then to fill in the remaining outer blocks of that course. If the slope (or the inverse-slope) of the edges is chosen to be a simple rational number, then it would be easier to find the correct position for those corner blocks.
However, Pochan also discusses the exercises in the Rhind Papyrus which concern the computations involving the "seked" of a pyramid. There one learns that the Egyptians represented the seked (which is just the inverse of the slope of each face) as a certain number of palms and fingers of horizontal distance per cubit of vertical distance. This documentation has to be considered as a significant clue. It would seem to make the relationship involving 14/11 (as the slope of the faces) quite compelling since that is equivalent to a rather simple value for the seked: five palms, two fingers per cubit. In addition, as Pochan points out, the faces of the finished pyramid would have been smooth (such as one can still see in the top portion of the Pyramid of Khafre). It would have been necessary for the artisans to cut the many outer blocks in a precise way to achieve this effect. Those blocks would have to be cut to have the same slant-angle as the faces.
Most scholars who have looked at this issue seem to believe in the theory that is suggested by the exercises in the Rhind Papyrus. That is, the architects who designed the pyramids chose the slant-angle of the faces just by specifying the seked to be five palms + 0, 1, 2, or 3 fingers per cubit. For example, the article Mathematical Bases of Ancient Egyptian Architecture and Graphic Art by G. Robins and C. Shute (Historia Mathematica, May, 1985) devotes several pages to arguing in favor of this theory. It is strongly supported by the measurements of many of the pyramids which are still standing, but not all of them. When I examined the slopes of the edges of the various pyramids, I was led to another theory: The architects designing the pyramids may have chosen the slope of each edge to be a simple rational number. It turns out that I was not the first person to suggest this. Later I learned that a similar idea had also been proposed earlier (around 1960 or so) by the Egyptologist Jean-Phillipe Lauer.
To be more precise, the theory that I proposed (to myself) was that the architects designed their pyramid projects so that the inverse-slope of the edges would be a rational number of the form 1+1/n for some value of n. As I will explain below, such numbers would seem to be a natural choice for two reasons: (1) They can be very simply expressed in the Egyptian notation for numbers. (2) The lesson learned from building the Bent Pyramid may have led the architects to choose a number larger than 1 for the inverse-slope of each edge. My theory is also strikingly supported by the measurements of the standing pyramids.
I have come to believe that both of these parallel theories are partially correct. They represent two approaches to choosing the shape of the pyramids and both may have been used. For each pyramid project, the architects may have specified the inverse-slope of either the faces or the edges, and then computed what the other inverse-slope must be. Since the two approaches involve different ways of specifying an inverse-slope, they may have played a different role in the construction. For example, one could imagine the builders using the inverse-slope of the edges to build up the corner sections of the pyramid (perhaps many courses at a time) with precision. It would also be necessary to have the diagonal lines for the pyramid precisely determined to do this. The remaining blocks for those courses could then be filled in. The inverse-slope of the faces (i.e., the seked) could then be used for that purpose, and also for the final smoothing out of the outer surface. That final step would involve cutting the casing blocks with precision.
I will discuss each theory based on data from The Complete Pyramids by Mark Lehner, concentrating on the pyramids built during the 4-th dynasty. Many aspects of the construction of these pyramids differ, and this seems to be true for how the slopes were chosen too. At least one of the two theories matches the data extremely well for each of these pyramids, and this may reflect the intentions of their architects. For the Great Pyramid of Khufu, both theories match the data. That is, the seked of that pyramid is close to five palms, two fingers and the inverse-slope of each edge is close to 1+1/9, both with very impressive accuracy. It is tempting to believe that the architect of that pyramid was fully aware that either one of those relationships would lead to the other. Indeed, this may have made the choice of five palms, two fingers for the seked of the Great Pyramid particularly attractive. However, I see no reason to believe that the architect was aware of the relationships involving &pi and &phi. They are discussed in my essay Pi and the Great Pyramid.)
Lehner's book gives the slant-angle for the faces of various pyramids as well as the height and the lengths of the sides. It is then rather easy to calculate the slant-angle of the edges and the corresponding slope, or inverse-slope. The following table summarizes this data. There are two entries for the Bent Pyramid corresponding to the lower portion and the upper portion. The double entries for the Pyramid of Menkaure reflect the fact that the base is not square.


PYRAMIDANGLE OF FACE INVERSE SLOPE OF FACEANGLE OF EDGEINVERSE SLOPE OF EDGE
BENT PYRAMID54o27'44"
43o22'00"
.714288
1.058703
44o42'36"
33o44'20"
1.010156
1.497233
RED PYRAMID43o22'00"1.05870333o44'20"1.497233
KHUFU51o50'40".78566741o59'15"1.111101
KHAFRE53o10'00".74900343o21'07"1.059250
MENKAURE51o49'38"
51o10'46"
.786154
.804615
41o38'08"1.124919




In the extant Egyptian mathematical papyri (such as the Rhind Papyrus), one learns a number of things about Egyptian mathematics. One striking thing is that their notation for numbers is quite different than the modern notation. The only numbers that one finds are rational numbers and they are almost always expressed as a whole number plus a sum of unit fractions with distinct denominators (i.e., fractions with a numerator equal to 1). For example, the rational number 3/5 would be expressed as 1/3 + 1/5 + 1/15. In the Rhind papyrus, one finds a table for dividing 2 by all odd numbers from 3 to 101. The answers are always given in terms of unit fractions. For example, the answer for 2 divided by 5 is given as 1/3 + 1/15 and 2 divided by 13 is given as 1/8 + 1/52 + 1/104. (Of course, these expressions would be written in Egyptian characters rather than Arabic numerals as here.) A number like 10/9 (which is a very good approximation to the inverse-slope of the edges of the Great Pyramid) would be expressed quite simply as 1 + 1/9. However, 11/9 would have a more complicated expression: 1 + 1/6 + 1/18. The number 11/14 (which is the approximate inverse-slope of the faces of the Great Pyramid) would be written as 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/28. If the architect wanted to choose a number greater than 1, but still close to 1, a number of the form 1+1/n would be quite natural.
Now to the various pyramids.
THE BENT PYRAMID: The faces of the lower portion of this pyramid make an angle of 54o27'44" from the horizontal. But the faces of the upper portion make a much smaller angle of 43o22'. The inverse-slope of the faces for the lower portion is .714288. For the upper portion the inverse-slope jumps to 1.058703. When one computes the inverse slope for the edges, one finds 1.010156 for the lower portion, 1.497233 for the upper portion. These numbers might suggest that the architect's intention was the following: The inverse-slope of each edge of the lower portion was intended to be 1. This corresponds to a 45o angle for each edge. What could be a simpler choice? But then, for some reason, the inverse-slope of the edges of the upper portion was increased to 3/2 (that is, 1+1/2).
I was actually quite excited when I noticed that the edges of the Bent Pyramid had such simple slopes (an observation which J-P. Lauer had already made some 40 years earlier). It would be worthwhile to do more accurate measurements of the Bent Pyramid using modern technology. I have relied on the data from Mark Lehner's book. Based on that data, the inverse-slope of the edge of the lower portion is slightly greater than 1, but is off by about 1%. But other references that I've consulted give a slightly different angle for the faces of the lower portion and, therefore, for the edges. Based on one source,the angle for each edge turns out to be even closer to 45o, but still slightly less. Based on another source, this angle turns out to be slightly greater that 45o. Also, these measurements only give an average slope. Undoubtedly, the slope of the edges is not really constant and so measuring the variation might provide useful data. Unfortunately, the condition of this pyramid would make it difficult to do such measurements.
Another obvious problem is that it is not clear what level of accuracy one would expect the Egyptian builders to achieve. This level of accuracy would have undoubtedly improved over the century of pyramid building. One would assume that the builders would make some simple device in order to uniformly achieve the desired slope either for the edges or for the face. Such a device is suggested by Peter Hodges in his book How the Pyramids Were Built. The device is a moderately large right triangle constructed out of wood - something that could be held by one or two workmen. The hypotenuse should have the desired slope with respect to the horizontal if one of the two legs of the right triangle is held perfectly vertical. The device has a plumb line attached to that leg so that the workmen could tell when it is vertical. Hodges suggestion seems quite credible since it is known that the Egyptians did use plumb lines. Such a device would make it possible to maintain a fixed slope even though the heights of the blocks used for different courses might vary considerably. (For the Great Pyramid, there is considerable variation from course to course.)
To get the seked for the lower portion of the Bent Pyramid, one just multiplies the inverse-slope found in the above table by 7. The result is almost exactly 5. That is, according to Lehner's data, the lower portion has a seked of five palms (per cubit). This is indeed very strong support for the conventional theory. It suggests that the fact that each edge has a slope (or inverse-slope) approximately equal to 1 is just an accident, nice as it seems. However, the upper portion is not consistent with the conventional theory. The seked of the upper portion cannot be expressed simply in terms of palms and fingers. And so, one could imagine that the architect switched from choosing 5/7 (five palms/cubit) for the inverse-slope of each face for the lower portion to the alternative method of choosing a simple inverse-slope for the edges of the upper portion, namely 1+1/2. Based on the data from Lehner's book, this turns out to be fairly accurate. The inverse-slope differs from 1+1/2 by about .2%.
There are also theories about why the Bent Pyramid has its peculiar shape. One credible theory was proposed by Kurt Mendelssohn in his excellent book The Riddle of the Pyramids. He suggests that at the time that the Bent Pyramid was in the process of being built, another pyramid -the one at Meidum, which may have also had a rather steep slope - had collapsed. For this reason, or possibly one of several other reasons that have been proposed, the architect made the decision to reduce the slope of the pyramid drastically. Increasing the inverse-slope of each edge from 1 to 1+1/2 would accomplish that. All of the Pyramids of the 4th dynasty which were built later are less steep then the bottom portion of the Bent Pyramid. Accordingly, the edges have an inverse-slope which is greater than 1.
THE RED PYRAMID: The slant-angle of the faces is just 43o22'. That corresponds to setting the inverse-slope of the edges as 1.497253, which is the same as the upper portion of the Bent Pyramid. The inverse-slope of each edge would then be quite close to 1+1/2. The kind of triangular device suggested by Hodges could easily be constructed with a high degree of precision for that value of the inverse-slope. As noted above for the upper portion of the Bent Pyramid, the seked for this pyramid does not have a simple value in terms of palms and fingers (per cubit).
THE GREAT PYRAMID OF KHUFU: As already mentioned, the inverse-slope of each edge is extremely close to 1+1/9. But the seked of this pyramid is also quite simple. It is five palms, two fingers/cubit. That is, the inverse-slope of each face is extremely close to 5.5/7=11/14. The two theories both seem to be valid for the Great Pyramid. I suspect that the architect was fully aware of this and chose the seked to be five palms, two fingers knowing that the inverse-slope of the edges would also turn out to be quite simple. (Or perhaps, it was the reverse.)
THE PYRAMID OF KHAFRE: The angle that each face of this pyramid makes with its base is 53o10'. The inverse slope of each edge turns out to be 1.059250. This number is approximately 1+1/17 (accurate to about .04%). The inverse-slope of each face of this pyramid is approximately 3/4. The seked is 5 palms, one finger/cubit. But, based on Lehner's data, the accuracy is not nearly as good as for the Great Pyramid. (It's accurate to about .13%.)
THE PYRAMID OF MENKAURE: This is the last and smallest of the three great pyramids at Giza. It is interesting to note that, according to Lehner's book, the base of this pyramid is not a square. It is rectangular and there is more than a two-meter difference in the lengths of the longest and shortest sides. At first, when I computed the inverse-slope of each edge, it turned out to be approximately equal to 1+1/8 , but not with a high degree of accuracy. However, I had assumed that the base was a square. When I learned that the base was not a square, I again computed the inverse-slope of each edge and found that it was indeed very close to 1+1/8. Thus, this pyramid provides encouraging support for my theory. Because the base is not a square, the slant-angles of the faces are not equal. One pair of faces has an inverse-slope very close to that of the faces for the Great Pyramid of Khufu. That is, the seked would be close to five palms, two fingers/cubit. But the other pair of faces has a seked which cannot be expressed simply in terms of palms and fingers.
  • #4,566
  • Jun 28, 2022 8:32am Jun 28, 2022 8:32am
sorry but in my previous post , table is not clear
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  • #4,567
  • Jun 28, 2022 9:22am Jun 28, 2022 9:22am
Quoting carbonmimeti
last chart (5 min) 27/2=13.5 (13 or 14 bars) {image}
see image of post 4562...now from Y to Q 11 bars
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  • #4,568
  • Jun 28, 2022 10:07am Jun 28, 2022 10:07am
Quoting carbonmimeti
it is important to take into account the passage of time ... the blue squares represent the daily cycle ... it is closing and this is why eurusd pushes downwards. I put lines of various lengths so I see the passing of the hours ... a daily cycle rarely lasts 24 hours but ends within a very specific time window ranging from 21 hours to 27 (half of 54 ... half of 108) this chart is a normal chart of 15 min {image}
from Z to M = 108 bars and bounces
from Y to M = 22
NOW stop short and go long (stop loss under last low)
sorry: eurusd 5 min
may be is starting new 1 day cycle...up
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  • #4,569
  • Jun 28, 2022 10:20am Jun 28, 2022 10:20am
I wrote 1day cycle from 21 to 27....now 26.5
Stop trading...I go out with my dog
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  • #4,570
  • Jun 28, 2022 10:39am Jun 28, 2022 10:39am
Quoting carbonmimeti
{quote} from Z to M = 108 bars and bounces from Y to M = 22 NOW stop short and go long (stop loss under last low) sorry: eurusd 5 min may be is starting new 1 day cycle...up {image}
Following
My way
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  • #4,571
  • Jun 28, 2022 12:20pm Jun 28, 2022 12:20pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} Following My way {image}
jumped in a little premature on this one Dave so took a little bit of heat.......but the trend was very much in place so took a bit of a risk....result +21 pips banked....using the best of old fashioned methods...
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  • #4,572
  • Jun 28, 2022 12:46pm Jun 28, 2022 12:46pm
Parisboy how are you doing?

Do you by any means make use of the vadmicha method? the indicator shared by Gary119?

If you did, please what are your feedback?
  • #4,573
  • Jun 28, 2022 12:47pm Jun 28, 2022 12:47pm
from M to N = 28 bars on 5min on 61.8%...eurusd
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  • #4,574
  • Jun 28, 2022 12:52pm Jun 28, 2022 12:52pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} jumped in a little premature on this one Dave so took a little bit of heat.......but the trend was very much in place so took a bit of a risk....result +21 pips banked....using the best of old fashioned methods... {image}
Also Swede, I noticed you were a proponent for the 1x1 method drawn on a solid impulse, but you stopped posting analysis based on that methodology. Did it stop working?

A quick question, how consistent can one be when changing methodologies when trying to make sense of the financial markets?

  • #4,575
  • Jun 28, 2022 1:04pm Jun 28, 2022 1:04pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} https://toaz.info/doc-view
Parisboy this link leads to a basic homepage not pdf's of the screenshot you posted earlier.

Thanks
  • #4,576
  • Jun 28, 2022 1:20pm Jun 28, 2022 1:20pm
Quoting thatRichDude
{quote} Parisboy this link leads to a basic homepage not pdf's of the screenshot you posted earlier. Thanks
RichDude

you are an adult trader

do your homework - some search with google

https://pdfcoffee.com/gann-unpublish...-pdf-free.html

https://fr.scribd.com/document/36796...asting-Courses

https://www.cosmoeconomics.com/EZ/ic...ed-gann-v2.pdf
  • #4,577
  • Edited 2:45pm Jun 28, 2022 1:32pm | Edited 2:45pm
Quoting carbonmimeti
The Slopes of the Egyptian Pyramids The Great Pyramid of Khufu has been a popular subject of speculation for centuries. How was it constructed? Who built it? How old is it? What is the significance of its dimensions, its shape, its orientation with respect to the other Pyramids at Giza? What was its purpose? These topics and others are discussed in many books and on many websites. (Check here for a collection of links and references which vary from serious scholarship to...
Carbonmimeti IMHO "Sacred Geometry" is basically crap. It is just filling the air, wasting paper and ink and making noise with his mouth.

When using the Fibonacci relationship to trade . If you write a book on the subject you do not need to fill the 60 or 80 first pages explaining the Parthenon and Fibonacci or shells and leafs growth and Fibonacci. Seems a tradition. Hence why do you find these texts in a book about trading.

Same for the pyramid (which are reputed to have inspired Gann and the use of the Square of Nine)

The guys promoting 'Sacred Geometry " are just IMHO crooks selling (very) expensive books and seminars

https://www.biblio.com/bookstore/sac...ations/1183595

https://www.cosmoeconomics.com/EZ/ic...pud61684jsh9i0
  • #4,578
  • Jun 28, 2022 1:43pm Jun 28, 2022 1:43pm
Quoting thatRichDude
{quote} Also Swede, I noticed you were a proponent for the 1x1 method drawn on a solid impulse, but you stopped posting analysis based on that methodology. Did it stop working? A quick question, how consistent can one be when changing methodologies when trying to make sense of the financial markets?
It works very fine.....for swing entries mostly.....because of personal situations and limited screen time I have been concentrating on short term 15-20 pips trades that I can take between 8-11 NY time but the grid and squaring the range is probably one of the best methods I have ever worked with. It covers everything needed, quarters, eights, time price, fib levels and more once you understand it....

if I had a better platform, I would work more with Parisboy and the envelopes...mt4 is limited
  • #4,579
  • Edited 3:02pm Jun 28, 2022 1:53pm | Edited 3:02pm
If you want to know ALL the Secrets of Gann : open your checkbook

http://www.sacredscience.com/store/commerce.cgi

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  • #4,580
  • Jun 28, 2022 3:15pm Jun 28, 2022 3:15pm
Quoting parisboy
If you want to know ALL the Secrets of Gann : open your checkbook http://www.sacredscience.com/store/commerce.cgi Lorrie Bennett 4 Volumes on the Law of Vibration Pricing : 2.000 + 6000 + 7.500 + 7.500 = 23.000 $ Sean Erickson : Trading with the Selene's Chariot : 7.500 $ Erick Penicka : The Periodic Table and the Law of Vibration : 4.500 $ Robert Rundle : The Magic Word and the Zodiac : Volumes 1 & 2 = 1.222 $ Daniele Prandelli : The Law of Cause and Effect + The Polarity Factor System = 3.995 $ Timothy Walker : How to...

Sarcasm at its peak

But I will see how to get those books.

Did you actually read all those books?
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