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  • #34,821
  • Oct 28, 2021 5:40am Oct 28, 2021 5:40am
+14 on a long.

With the news coming out, good chance Euro was going to range.

M5 we had stopping volume and a 2 bar reversal. Long as price dipped below an UT, EU is notorious with head fakes.

Exited trade after price dipped below a ND.

+28 pips counting my loss, going point to call it a day.
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  • #34,822
  • Oct 28, 2021 5:45am Oct 28, 2021 5:45am
Quoting ntk
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Should be on pdf drive mate
  • #34,823
  • Edited 6:36am Oct 28, 2021 6:25am | Edited 6:36am
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} Should be on pdf drive mate
I've never read Gavin's book, I'll read it this weekend. Thanks for mentioning it.

There was also another trader that was an apprentice of Tom, Todd Krueger his videos were floating around for a while which I have no idea if they still are. He taught volume and other stuff as well. I remember Gann specifically.

Todd comes off 100% as a trader, where as Gavin is a born salesman.
  • #34,824
  • Edited 8:34am Oct 28, 2021 8:15am | Edited 8:34am
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Was stacking all day for this range, took partial, small position still running.

Edit: Stopped out on last position. Was a hit and run 30pip lol
  • #34,825
  • Oct 28, 2021 8:16am Oct 28, 2021 8:16am
Quoting Anotan
{quote} I've never read Gavin's book, I'll read it this weekend. Thanks for mentioning it. There was also another trader that was an apprentice of Tom, Todd Krueger his videos were floating around for a while which I have no idea if they still are. He taught volume and other stuff as well. I remember Gann specifically. Todd comes off 100% as a trader, where as Gavin is a born salesman.
I always got the impression from others that Gavin was pitching more than trading (which is why I hadn't read the book yet), but based on others opinions in this thread, I may have to carve some time out for it eventually. There's so much free content on forums that it may be a while though
  • #34,826
  • Edited 8:34am Oct 28, 2021 8:21am | Edited 8:34am
Quoting Anotan
{quote} I've never read Gavin's book, I'll read it this weekend. Thanks for mentioning it. There was also another trader that was an apprentice of Tom, Todd Krueger his videos were floating around for a while which I have no idea if they still are. He taught volume and other stuff as well. I remember Gann specifically. Todd comes off 100% as a trader, where as Gavin is a born salesman.
yeah 100% even in his videos he cant help mention about the software in one way or another.

Trader 1: "we have an upthrust followed by no demand"

Gavin Holmes: "we have an upthrust followed by no demand.....because the tradeguider software told me.....this software does it all for you, Grigory our coder has done a great job, etc, etc" then he opens up another chart and says almost the same sequence.

To be fair the book is pretty good though.

It would be funny to watch him do a video where he didnt have use of the software/plugins to see how it would go, I guess it would be hard for him as there would be nothing on the chart to sell.
  • #34,827
  • Oct 28, 2021 10:57am Oct 28, 2021 10:57am
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  • #34,828
  • Oct 28, 2021 11:08am Oct 28, 2021 11:08am
Quoting Shantala
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Care to break down your rationale for the entry? Was it just the effort w/ no result one bar back?
  • #34,829
  • Oct 28, 2021 11:10am Oct 28, 2021 11:10am
Quoting Shantala
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Hit SL
  • #34,830
  • Oct 28, 2021 11:19am Oct 28, 2021 11:19am
Quoting Macallik
{quote} Care to break down your rationale for the entry? Was it just the effort w/ no result one bar back?
Thinking of re-accumulation and spring. Then, it moved down with volume without breaking previous range.

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  • #34,831
  • Edited 6:24pm Oct 28, 2021 11:35am | Edited 6:24pm
Quoting Shantala
{quote} Thinking of re-accumulation and spring. Then, it moved down with volume without breaking previous range. {image}
I also see potential accumulation but it might be a tad early in the process. IIRC, we both use Wyckoff Schematic occasionally, so I put price action in that context separately too.

EDIT: This analysis did not play out in the markets, but leaving it up in case anyone wants to correct it
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  • #34,832
  • Oct 28, 2021 7:44pm Oct 28, 2021 7:44pm
Quoting Anotan
There was also another trader that was an apprentice of Tom, Todd Krueger his videos were floating around for a while which I have no idea if they still are. He taught volume and other stuff as well. I remember Gann specifically. Todd comes off 100% as a trader, where as Gavin is a born salesman. emphasis added
I believe that is precisely why Gavin staged a coup and ousted Todd. Todd wanted to focus on trading and Gavin wanted to sell software.
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #34,833
  • Oct 29, 2021 7:36am Oct 29, 2021 7:36am
Quoting HiddenGap
{quote} I believe that is precisely why Gavin staged a coup and ousted Todd. Todd wanted to focus on trading and Gavin wanted to sell software.
In some of the seminars Tom says "you don't really need the software" Gavin pipes in to cut Tom off short
  • #34,834
  • Oct 29, 2021 8:54am Oct 29, 2021 8:54am
I'm not intimately aware of Tom William's history nor of those involved with him. It does seem Tom and others pioneered a valid trading strategy and as true capitalists they created a proprietary trading program based on that strategy that traders are free to purchase or not. This thread seems to be based mostly on Tom's and Gavin's publications and I would note nearly all of those posting in this thread largely base their trading strategies on those publications. Knowing this, it's rather curious that some here make the comments they do about Gavin's salesmanship. As far as I know Gavin does not advertise on FF (I could be wrong about that). Even if he did that would separate him from most of the snake oil being hawked in the commercial section because what he sells (the method and the program) actually works. Again I make note of those in this very thread documenting their success using said method.
  • #34,835
  • Edited 11:22am Oct 29, 2021 10:56am | Edited 11:22am
Quoting Winston Reed
I'm not intimately aware of Tom William's history nor of those involved with him. It does seem Tom and others pioneered a valid trading strategy and as true capitalists they created a proprietary trading program based on that strategy that traders are free to purchase or not. This thread seems to be based mostly on Tom's and Gavin's publications and I would note nearly all of those posting in this thread largely base their trading strategies on those publications. Knowing this, it's rather curious that some here make the comments they do about Gavin's...
The way I see it, is the salesmanship is just a necessary evil (maybe not the best way to word it), I watch Gavins stuff to learn what I can, but I do so knowing that im gona get the tradeguider stuff rammed down my neck. Just the way it is.

To be clear though I dont think anyone is saying anything seriously negative about Gavin, they are merely saying that some of the education he provides can be diluted with the Tradeguider sales stuff so just got to take the good with the bad.

If your talking about Salesmen in general then personally ive never really liked them that much, I cant directly put my finger on the reason why other than perhaps the slight sense of desperation that emits from the pitch.


............you dont happen to have a background in sales by any chance Winston? JJ
  • #34,836
  • Oct 29, 2021 11:26am Oct 29, 2021 11:26am
Could someone help me with an analyse on Gold, and EN
I stuck in a buy EN at 1.6234 and 1.617 small position only
I stuck also in Gold 1792, mistake was I moved SL


Keep or close?


I received very cryptic msg but I could not decipher what the sender means:
"
I suggest to look at mn1 tf... 1830 area being rejected for 3months... today mn1 candle will closed... Good luck
"
  • #34,837
  • Oct 29, 2021 12:07pm Oct 29, 2021 12:07pm
Quoting Winston Reed
I'm not intimately aware of Tom William's history nor of those involved with him. It does seem Tom and others pioneered a valid trading strategy and as true capitalists they created a proprietary trading program based on that strategy that traders are free to purchase or not. This thread seems to be based mostly on Tom's and Gavin's publications and I would note nearly all of those posting in this thread largely base their trading strategies on those publications. Knowing this, it's rather curious that some here make the comments they do about Gavin's...
I would also like to point out a hidden detail in Bandlers post above.

Tom was the godfather of VSA? Gavin is carrying the torch for him and following his wishes?

Tom says "you dont need the software to trade VSA" ..... Toms not here anymore unfortunately...so does that mean Gavin is going to carry on that message as per his wishes? Somehow I think hes going to conveniently leave that important detail out.

In fact I would go as far as to say, that this thread is the only thing that carries on Toms "software not needed" message. (This and a few other threads out there).
‐---‐--------------------------------------------------------------

Gavin Holmes walks into Starbucks for his daily caffiene fix.

Gavin: "Morning Luv, Cappuccino with an extra shot please"

Shop Asst: "Coming right up"

Gavin: "Hows business been?"

Shop Asst: "Its been pretty quiet today"

Gavin:" Hmm, sounds like 'no demand' to me.....our Tradeguider software would have picked that up for you....."


(Just a wee joke)
  • #34,838
  • Oct 29, 2021 12:17pm Oct 29, 2021 12:17pm
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} The way I see it, is the salesmanship is just a necessary evil (maybe not the best way to word it), I watch Gavins stuff to learn what I can, but I do so knowing that im gona get the tradeguider stuff rammed down my neck. Just the way it is. To be clear though I dont think anyone is saying anything seriously negative about Gavin, they are merely saying that some of the education he provides can be diluted with the Tradeguider sales stuff so just got to take the good with the bad. If your talking about Salesmen in general then personally...
No I don’t. I’m a nurse practitioner ready to retire in a few years and look to trading to possibly supplement retirement.

Regarding sales I don’t see it as inherently evil or even bad. Those who pawn faulty products through deception have given the sales industry an undeserved reputation. I don’t think those selling Tradeguider material fall into that category. They market a worthy product that they for the most part reveal is not absolutely necessary to trade the methodology that they also quite thoroughly explain. All I’m saying is you and others are somewhat critical of them and yet you wholly subscribe to their trading strategy.

Tom from what I understand was a millionaire from his trading. If true then he had no obligation to reveal his method. He developed a trading program that just makes trading his already revealed method much easier. Tom obviously had a business relationship with Gavin and I guess others with interest in profiting from Tradeguider. Nothing evil or bad about it. Not one thing!
  • #34,839
  • Oct 29, 2021 12:24pm Oct 29, 2021 12:24pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} No I don’t. I’m a nurse practitioner ready to retire in a few years and look to trading to possibly supplement retirement. Regarding sales I don’t see it as inherently evil or even bad. Those who pawn faulty products through deception have given the sales industry an undeserved reputation. I don’t think those selling Tradeguider material fall into that category. They market a worthy product that they for the most part reveal is not absolutely necessary to trade the methodology that they also quite thoroughly explain. All I’m saying is you...
Yeah "necessary evil" was the wrong choice of words (sorry my vocabulary is limited) what I ment was that you just have to work around the sales stuff when watching the videos.

Ive not got a problem with Gavin mate, I dont think anyone else has either although I cant speak for everyone. Like I said the only small negative for me is the sales stuff, but it doesnt stop me from learning from his stuff.
  • #34,840
  • Oct 29, 2021 12:33pm Oct 29, 2021 12:33pm
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} I would also like to point out a hidden detail in Bandlers post above. Tom was the godfather of VSA? Gavin is carrying the torch for him and following his wishes? Tom says "you dont need the software to trade VSA" ..... Toms not here anymore unfortunately...so does that mean Gavin is going to carry on that message as per his wishes? Somehow I think hes going to conveniently leave that important detail out. In fact I would go as far as to say, that this thread is the only thing that carries on Toms "software not needed" message. (This and...
I hesitate to label yours’ and others comments as libel but I do think you are unnecessarily perpetuating an undeserved reputation upon Gavin and ultimately Tradeguider. I for one am nothing but thankful for Tom and Gavin and others who make their material readily available. It would be hypocritical of me to bad mouth his salesmanship of an adjunct to the method.

Hopefully enough said but I’ll give you the last word.
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