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  • #3,181
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:07am Aug 31, 2021 4:07am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} +20 p FDXS=+4 pips FDXM I have now only 1 DAX CFD short 980. additionals as previously indicated
996 added now
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  • #3,182
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:09am Aug 31, 2021 4:09am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} 996 added now
I have now 2 DAX CFDs short 988.
Few additionals waiting above and well above 16k.
897 gap always left open on DAX CASH INDEX........

I guess now it's a question of time....not of price. I mean price is good to short, but not timing....for now.
Then accelerations may take place above 16k.....
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,183
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:14am Aug 31, 2021 4:14am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} I have now 2 DAX CFDs short 988. Few additionals waiting above and well above 16k. 897 gap always left open on DAX CASH INDEX........ I guess now it's a question of time....not of price. I mean price is good to short, but not timing....for now. Then accelerations may take place above 16k.....
16005 triggered now
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  • #3,184
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:15am Aug 31, 2021 4:15am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} 16005 triggered now
I have now 3 DAX CFDs short 994.
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,185
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:33am Aug 31, 2021 4:33am
Quoting Brixen
Today could be the same of 13 August 2021.......
Yes, exactly same day as friday 13 August........even on timing
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  • #3,186
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:36am Aug 31, 2021 4:36am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} OK, but the point is: 1. tomorrow I will find new DAX40 or only starting from 20 September?
no, tomorrow they will announce the exact changes (which stocks will leave DAX and which at least 10 new will enter DAX to form DAX 40). but in all news sources i find on this topic, it is said that the new DAX 40 will be public form 20th of September on.

So public will be informed about the exact changes on Sept. 1, but changes will be in effect form Sept, 20th on. that's how i understood.
  • #3,187
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:39am Aug 31, 2021 4:39am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} 3. they autmatically transfer positions in place to new Index DAX40? How, when? Not easy to manage this shift....then you take into account new DAX FUTURES DECEMBER that will start next days/weeks, so we risk to have a lot of futures in place DAX30 and DAX40 same time for different expirations for some weeks......
since DAX30 / DAX40 is not a financial instrument itself (it's only an index), noone is acutally positioned in it. of course you can be positioned in derivatives on DAX like FDAX etc., and they are calculated on basis of DAX30 at the moment. as you say, a new DAX Futures will start in a few weeks and its underlying will be the new dax 40.
  • #3,188
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:43am Aug 31, 2021 4:43am
Quoting karuner
{quote} no, tomorrow they will announce the exact changes (which stocks will leave DAX and which at least 10 new will enter DAX to form DAX 40). but in all news sources i find on this topic, it is said that the new DAX 40 will be public form 20th of September on. So public will be informed about the exact changes on Sept. 1, but changes will be in effect form Sept, 20th on. that's how i understood.
OK, very clear this point!
Thanks again!
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  • #3,189
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:44am Aug 31, 2021 4:44am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} I have now 3 DAX CFDs short 994.
986 now:reduced from 3 to 2 my shorts 994
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  • #3,190
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:46am Aug 31, 2021 4:46am
Quoting karuner
{quote} since DAX30 / DAX40 is not a financial instrument itself (it's only an index), noone is acutally positioned in it. of course you can be positioned in derivatives on DAX like FDAX etc., and they are calculated on basis of DAX30 at the moment. as you say, a new DAX Futures will start in a few weeks and its underlying will be the new dax 40.
Yes, that could be the solution.....SEPTEMBER FUTURES currently linked to DAX30, while DECEMBER FUTURES linked to new DAX40.
It makes sense....

But what happens if I have some DAX CFDs as I have in this moment?
i dont want bother you on this topic, but it's only a public speaking .......
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,191
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:46am Aug 31, 2021 4:46am
i have a short from 93, already closing. i'm not confident in this market. should probably leave the computer now.

short.. it's an exception for me, but i will have to take that into my trading.
  • #3,192
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:47am Aug 31, 2021 4:47am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} 986 now:reduced from 3 to 2 my shorts 994
+8 p DAX CFD=+1,5 pips FDXM

I have now 2 DAX CFD short 994.
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,193
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:48am Aug 31, 2021 4:48am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} +8 p DAX CFD=+1,5 pips FDXM I have now 2 DAX CFD short 994.
976 closed now another short
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  • #3,194
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:51am Aug 31, 2021 4:51am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} Yes, that could be the solution.....SEPTEMBER FUTURES currently linked to DAX30, while DECEMBER FUTURES linked to new DAX40. It makes sense.... But what happens if I have some DAX CFDs as I have in this moment? i dont want bother you on this topic, but it's only a public speaking .......
good question really. They can weigh the 40 stocks in a manner that price of the complete DAX40 will more or less be the same as DAX30 (i.e. no gap). you know, they often kicked stocks out or added new stocks to DAX 30 and it hat no real effect on index price

my broker wrote this: "Es ist aktuell nicht zu erwarten, dass diese Änderung Auswirkungen auf die Kursgestaltung der derzeit angebotenen Produkte DE30 und DE30mini für unsere Kunden haben wird. Eine Veränderung der Marktbewertung des DAX-Kurses ist aber nicht ausgeschlossen"
it is currently not to be expected that the changes will have an effect on the prices of our DE30 etc. etc. But it is not exluded that this might happen.

they also link to Deutsche Börse official press release (nothing specific here either): https://deutsche-boerse.com/dbg-de/m...st-rkt-2346282
  • #3,195
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:51am Aug 31, 2021 4:51am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} 976 closed now another short
+18 p DAX CFD=+3,5 pips FDXM

I have now only 1 DAX CFD short 994.
additionals only above and well above 16k zone.
897 gap left open a possible target, but it seems so far away now.....
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,196
  • Aug 31, 2021 4:57am Aug 31, 2021 4:57am
Quoting karuner
{quote} good question really. They can weigh the 40 stocks in a manner that price of the complete DAX40 will more or less be the same as DAX30 (i.e. no gap). you know, they often kicked stocks out or added new stocks to DAX 30 and it hat no real effect on index price my broker wrote this: "Es ist aktuell nicht zu erwarten, dass diese Änderung Auswirkungen auf die Kursgestaltung der derzeit angebotenen Produkte DE30 und DE30mini für unsere Kunden haben wird. Eine Veränderung der Marktbewertung des DAX-Kurses ist aber nicht ausgeschlossen" it is currently...
I dont agree with your Broker, I mean on simple mathematical point view if you have 30 shares with their capitalisation and you change some of this, it could not change anything on main Index, as happened on DAX30 in the past revisions.

But now it's different, cause you add 10 new Companies shares to other 30 Companies. In this case on simple MATH point of view the Index wil be for sure modified.

Look at JAPAN for instance, main Index is NIKKEY 225, and then there are other Indices as NIKKEY 400 for instance, and every Index has his specifical value, very different from each other.
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,197
  • Aug 31, 2021 5:07am Aug 31, 2021 5:07am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} I dont agree with your Broker, I mean on simple mathematical point view if you have 30 shares with their capitalisation and you change some of this, it could not change anything on main Index, as happened on DAX30 in the past revisions. But now it's different, cause you add 10 new Companies shares to other 30 Companies. In this case on simple MATH point of view the Index wil be for sure modified. Look at JAPAN for instance, main Index is NIKKEY 225, and then there are other Indices as NIKKEY 400 for instance, and every Index has his specifical...
yes, understood and i also thought this way. but let's also consider that they maybe want the change to have no effect on the current DAX-price. they also have the option to change the weight of the current DAX30 stocks. i mean what is called "Indexgewicht" (or index weighting) here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAX#Zusammensetzung .. so they can change that at the same time as they add 10 more stocks. they can weigh the 40 stocks in such a way that at one single point in time (e.g. 17:30 on friday) Dax40 would have the same price (more or less) as DAX30.
(edit: though i wouldn't know why they should want to do that..)
  • #3,198
  • Aug 31, 2021 5:07am Aug 31, 2021 5:07am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} +18 p DAX CFD=+3,5 pips FDXM I have now only 1 DAX CFD short 994. additionals only above and well above 16k zone. 897 gap left open a possible target, but it seems so far away now.....
OK, see you later before the start of US official session.
1 short in place and additionals as previously indicated.

after I closed at 950 zone my FDXS bought last week 697 , I must remain calm today, cause accelerations prices could be around the corner......specially on the afternoon at official month end close.
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,199
  • Aug 31, 2021 5:09am Aug 31, 2021 5:09am
Quoting karuner
{quote} yes, understood and i also thought this way. but let's also consider that they maybe want the change to have no effect on the current DAX-price. they also have the option to change the weight of the current DAX30 stocks. i mean what is called "Indexgewicht" (or index weighting) here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DAX#Zusammensetzung .. so they can change that at the same time as they add 10 more stocks. they can weigh the 40 stocks in such a way that at one single point in time (e.g. 17:30 on friday) Dax40 would have the same...
Good point!! Thanks again!
You are good man, a good philosopher and a good mathematician too!!!
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
  • #3,200
  • Aug 31, 2021 6:20am Aug 31, 2021 6:20am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} +18 p DAX CFD=+3,5 pips FDXM I have now only 1 DAX CFD short 994. additionals only above and well above 16k zone. 897 gap left open a possible target, but it seems so far away now.....
864 closed last short now from 994 and open a long same price
I call upon my father's spirit , watching over me
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