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  • Mar 29, 2021 6:26pm Mar 29, 2021 6:26pm
  •  Takisd
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{quote} Yes, Koop. My bad. I admitted that I'm a bit tech-challenged. It didn't even dawn on me but the Cust Serv agent knew in 2 seconds when I posted a screenshot. Tomorrow I will trade the FTMO free-trial demo with an account that looks like mine. Installed a template I use any other indis I might want but probably won't use. Live and learn. And learn some more. @Takisd, if I got 'credit' for threads or chunks of threads I'd read over the years, you'd see that I've been here on & off. Just never had the time nor inclination (or need) to...
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sure. You speak a lot like a few people I have interacted with myself. Your typing style is almost identical actually, including the emojis.
 
 
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  •  driven18
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In this video, at 5:20 and on, are exactly my thoughts why 95% of traders fail FTMO challenges. Ratio Objectives, Spreads and FTMO Incentive for you to fail.

I suggest you watch and listen before you decide to put your hard earned money into the "95% pile of waste".

For 5% of "successful" traders FTMO is legit and does pay profits.
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  •  doyathink
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{quote} In this video, at 5:20 and on, are exactly my thoughts why 95% of traders fail FTMO challenges. Ratio Objectives, Spreads and FTMO Incentive for you to fail. I suggest you watch and listen before you decide to put your hard earned money into the "95% pile of waste". For 5% of "successful" traders FTMO is legit and does pay profits.
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are you sure this is the right video?
doesn't make sense to me...
 
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everything you said doesn't make any sense to me. Sorry. Just a poor opinion
 
 
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  •  Saxio
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK-2mfFssvU&t=364s In this video, at 5:20 and on, are exactly my thoughts why 95% of traders fail FTMO challenges. Ratio Objectives, Spreads and FTMO Incentive for you to fail. I suggest you watch and listen before you decide to put your hard earned money into the "95% pile of waste". For 5% of "successful" traders FTMO is legit and does pay profits.
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if you can’t make 10% with a max drawdown of 5% , you DONT deserve funded capital , those risk/reward numbers are an industry standard , the guy from the video has no clue ...
 
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{quote} if you can’t make 10% with a max drawdown of 5% , you DONT deserve funded capital , those risk/reward numbers are a standard , the guy from the video has no clue ...
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In 30 days and that includes weekends so if you had started the challenge today you have 22 trading days to complete it which means you have to average 0.5% a day with out a drawdown of 5% which makes it a hard challenge
 
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  •  Expo33
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{quote} In 30 days and that includes weekends so if you had started the challenge today you have 22 trading days to complete it which means you have to average 2.2% a day with out a drawdown of 5% which makes it a hard challenge
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Huh? 2.2% a day for 22 days = 10%? Strange math.

20 days x .5% a day = 10% that's not too hard.

The reality is you can actually trade 7 days a week if you care to trade Bitcoin or other cryptos so for a 30 day month you need to earn 0.33% a day. Not difficult for a seasoned trader with impeccable risk management.
"Pride always comes before destruction...." -Proverbs 16:18
 
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  •  Ross88
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{quote} Huh? 2.2% a day for 22 days = 10%? Strange math. 20 days x .5% a day = 10% that's not too hard. The reality is you can actually trade 7 days a week if you care to trade Bitcoin or other cryptos so for a 30 day month you need to earn 0.33% a day. Not difficult for a seasoned trader with impeccable risk management.
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LoL my mistake I'm a jackass some times

people like myself don't trade Bitcoin it's does not help me that other people are allowed to trade it

Still don't know why I write that math was not thinking get kids around me

but still it's the time restriction that makes it challenging
 
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  •  profitfarmer
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{quote} if you can’t make 10% with a max drawdown of 5% , you DONT deserve funded capital , those risk/reward numbers are an industry standard , the guy from the video has no clue ...
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industry standard?
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  •  LoveScalping
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{quote} industry standard? {image}
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Do not compare hedge funds and the average retail forex trader, apart from the different traded assets and very different trading styles.
sorry for my English, using google translator.
 
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  •  Saxio
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{quote} industry standard? {image}
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Buffet is an investor NOT trader , he holds positions (almost always long)for years/decades , a trader goes long/short for minutes , hours , days ...you compare apples with oranges

EVERY prop shop will demand that minimum return/drawdown ratio of 2
 
 
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  •  profitfarmer
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{quote} Buffet is an investor NOT trader , he holds positions (almost always long)for years/decades , a trader goes long/short for minutes , hours , days ...you compare apples with oranges EVERY prop shop will demand that minimum return/drawdown ratio of 2
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that is not a true statement re:demands. research that every...or EVERY. lol.
as far as Buffett, just slow your horses and think a bit, and you probably realize that long term return may look favorable vs dd, but on short term it is not that easy to produce that x2 ratio.
of course, we very well may live in a different reality. respect yours. but stating definitively things doesnt suit your credibility.

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{quote} Do not compare hedge funds and the average retail trader, apart from the different traded assets and very different trading styles.
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really? different you say?
i keep learning new things. thank you!

beyond the style, the ratio nevertheless is not that different.
a longer period max dd vs a longer period profit.
the common take that W.Buffett is one of the greatest investor. one investing with him could on the long run become a millionaire.
would that be the case depositing your money with him in 2008 and withdrawaing a year later? not really.

now, to the point: "prop trading" shouldnt be your average retail guy, per se, to start with.
beside,
to help you out:
a lot depend on the luck when you started trading. for the return, and for the (max) dd too.
bcos you have a 30 days time limit, that is ticking down.
makes harder to get a long term "industry standard" ratio....

anyways, never mind me, obviusly i have no idea of anything, just passing my time.
there is always, always another trade!!
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  • Mar 30, 2021 11:00am Mar 30, 2021 11:00am
  •  Rayder4Life
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darn be this impossible to pass challenge, these people at ftmo are evil people who dont care about us common folk. look bellow how its impossible to have 5% risk and make 10% profit in short time.
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  • Mar 30, 2021 11:24am Mar 30, 2021 11:24am
  •  profitfarmer
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darn be this impossible to pass challenge, these people at ftmo are evil people who dont care about us common folk. look bellow how its impossible to have 5% risk and make 10% profit in short time. {image}
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no one said it is impossible.
nor called FTMO evil.
this type of BSing may work for on some "folks" but doubt will work on me. you would need to really try a lot harder to impress.

as for you " common folk"......another free trial for "motivation"!
will be happy to reconsider your results when you should a "funded demo" with 3-6 months consistent results like above.
meanwhile this if anything earns you some empty bragging rights, and exactly 0$.
silly me retail trader guy think this whole "prop trading industry" would be about one thing and one thing only: making money. which a demo trial you have showed failed to do.
more for for today "folks".
there is always, always another trade!!
 
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  • Mar 30, 2021 11:35am Mar 30, 2021 11:35am
  •  Rayder4Life
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{quote} no one said it is impossible. nor called FTMO evil. this type of BSing may work for on some "folks" but doubt will work on me. you would need to really try a lot harder to impress. as for you " common folk"......another free trial for "motivation"! will be happy to reconsider your results when you should a "funded demo" with 3-6 months consistent results like above. meanwhile this if anything earns you some empty bragging rights, and exactly 0$. silly me retail trader guy think this whole "prop trading industry" would be about one thing...
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over 90% of traders lose money, guess which part of that are you buddy.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2021 11:38am Mar 30, 2021 11:38am
  •  Koop
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{quote} no one said it is impossible. nor called FTMO evil. this type of BSing may work for on some "folks" but doubt will work on me. you would need to really try a lot harder to impress. as for you " common folk"......another free trial for "motivation"! will be happy to reconsider your results when you should a "funded demo" with 3-6 months consistent results like above. meanwhile this if anything earns you some empty bragging rights, and exactly 0$. silly me retail trader guy think this whole "prop trading industry" would be about one thing...
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Lmao holy sh*t Farmer, why not just load up a double barrel shotty and blast Rayder's dreams to smithereens?

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{quote} Huh? 2.2% a day for 22 days = 10%? Strange math. 20 days x .5% a day = 10% that's not too hard. The reality is you can actually trade 7 days a week if you care to trade Bitcoin or other cryptos so for a 30 day month you need to earn 0.33% a day. Not difficult for a seasoned trader with impeccable risk management.
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I think most people try too hard to reach target before the 10 minimum days elapses that they allocate risk per trade poorly and blow up too soon or just go through a roller coaster of results.
I don't think the challenge is too difficult if one has a proven profitable trading strategy.
 
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  • Mar 30, 2021 11:54am Mar 30, 2021 11:54am
  •  Expo33
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{quote} LoL my mistake I'm a jackass some times people like myself don't trade Bitcoin it's does not help me that other people are allowed to trade it Still don't know why I write that math was not thinking get kids around me but still it's the time restriction that makes it challenging
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I understand. I get up at 4AM so I have time to think before my daughter wakes up.

Even with 20 days or so you still only need $500/day with a $5000 allowable drawdown for a 100K account. At least there's some flexibility with the drawdown but I imagine the time constraint may affect swing traders more than me. I'm an intraday quasi scalper so I don't feel any time pressure.

Common core math is bad enough in the US. I thought maybe that was the new and improved common core math for forex traders
"Pride always comes before destruction...." -Proverbs 16:18
 
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  • Mar 30, 2021 11:58am Mar 30, 2021 11:58am
  •  Expo33
  • Joined Aug 2013 | Status: Member | 2,887 Posts
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{quote} Lmao holy sh*t Farmer, why not just load up a double barrel shotty and blast Rayder's dreams to smithereens? {quote} I think most people try too hard to reach target before the 10 minimum days elapses that they allocate risk per trade poorly and blow up too soon or just go through a roller coaster of results. I don't think the challenge is too difficult if one has a proven profitable trading strategy.
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Agree.

Just because you can pass in 10 days doesn't mean you should necessarily try to do that. Unfortunately, we live in an age of instant gratification where we all can get sucked into that mindset.
"Pride always comes before destruction...." -Proverbs 16:18
 
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  •  ForexGalVA
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look bellow how its impossible to have 5% risk and make 10% profit in short time. {image}
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Nicely done, Rayder4Life.
 
 
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