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  • #21
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:33am Oct 25, 2020 3:33am
I dont think it is polite nor a constructive way to “give away” an idea and demand followers to test and improve it. Nobody is working for anyone here but as peers.

TBH, I think whoever is sharing a strategy here is hoping to get more perspectives from others, but ultimately the strategy creator is that person. Followers would look up to the creator to see if a strategy actually works and occasionally help and feedback, not the other way around. If you have not tested the strategy yourself nor give your fullest understanding of the system, you can’t expect anyone would do this to you. Right?

At the end, everyone takes something from the discussion and each can have a different finalized strategy based on the primary concept, only it has to be a full system to start with, good or bad doesnt matter
  • #22
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:35am Oct 25, 2020 3:35am
Quoting Blackeagle
Mate, this is what you wrote: Don't Criticize others and Don't pass negativity before you understand the system otherwise I will put you on the ignore list you could not post here again. And then you are taking down the thread you just started, you contradict yourself. If you don't have a thick skin, then don't waste your time in a public forum. By acting like this, those so called experts win and you lose, literally. Regards, Blackeagle
Yes, I put them in my Ignore list, They could not post here anymore. Let's update the system further. Time to time I will update my ideas and Improvement with those 3 indicators and adding some more. I will try to share the win rate. I expect you and others to post improvement and win rate as well.
Thanks
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  • #23
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:47am Oct 25, 2020 3:47am
Quoting tommydoginti
I dont think it is polite nor a constructive way to “give away” an idea and demand followers to test and improve it. Nobody is working for anyone here but as peers. TBH, I think whoever is sharing a strategy here is hoping to get more perspectives from others, but ultimately the strategy creator is that person. Followers would look up to the creator to see if a strategy actually works and occasionally help and feedback, not the other way around. If you have not tested the strategy yourself nor give your fullest understanding of the system, you can’t...
I am not selling anything, Its free, and If you can't backtest what I give you You can't become a trader. As simple as That.
No matter how good a system I give you, you can't trade with it because you don't test it by yourself. Testing a system by ourselves is important that is why I everyone to do it. If anyone interested he or she will do the testing, do little hard work.
I am not here to spoon-feeding. Anyone has not paid me anything. I am giving it completely free. if anyone is not generous enough to take it just leave. If anyone interested and tests it and find the win rate and gives an opinion about it. I will give improvement ideas. The system is already in the public domain if you can't test it follow the rules of the original system creator. Why west your time.
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  • #24
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:57am Oct 25, 2020 3:57am
I do not agree. Why would a creative person post his idea at all? He wants something from the community!

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Quoting tommydoginti
I dont think it is polite nor a constructive way to “give away” an idea and demand followers to test and improve it. Nobody is working for anyone here but as peers. TBH, I think whoever is sharing a strategy here is hoping to get more perspectives from others, but ultimately the strategy creator is that person. Followers would look up to the creator to see if a strategy actually works and occasionally help and feedback, not the other way around. If you have not tested the strategy yourself nor give your fullest understanding of the system, you can’t...
  • #25
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:59am Oct 25, 2020 3:59am
Quoting hasib
{quote} I am not selling anything, Its free, and If you can't backtest what I give you You can't become a trader. As simple as That. No matter how good a system I give you, you can't trade with it because you don't test it by yourself. Testing a system by ourselves is important that is why I everyone to do it. If anyone interested he or she will do the testing, do little hard work. I am not here to spoon-feeding. Anyone has not paid me anything. I am giving it completely free. if anyone is not generous enough to take it just leave. If anyone interested...
I am just saying that you suggested a system that is under development, and from previous post you ask for improvement suggestions and backtest result from others. It is also “selling an idea”, just the return is not money but info.

I am just guessing people who are casually looking for a strategy idea wont do the test unless you start it, while serious followers may not share what they developed and backtested from the fragments of info and/or indicators. Little incentive and obligation.

If you are serious about a mutual development then you better start the discussion. If you feel uncomfortable to share the info you have, better just keep it yourself and not posting anything. It is not a crime to keep your edge a secret
  • #26
  • Oct 25, 2020 5:17am Oct 25, 2020 5:17am
Quoting hasib
{quote} I am not selling anything, Its free, and If you can't backtest what I give you You can't become a trader. As simple as That. No matter how good a system I give you, you can't trade with it because you don't test it by yourself. Testing a system by ourselves is important that is why I everyone to do it. If anyone interested he or she will do the testing, do little hard work. I am not here to spoon-feeding. Anyone has not paid me anything. I am giving it completely free. if anyone is not generous enough to take it just leave. If anyone interested...
Have you tested the system yourself, if yes, what are you results ? Is it profitable ?
  • #27
  • Oct 25, 2020 7:17am Oct 25, 2020 7:17am
besides....one persons edge is another persons junk. I have spent a career in these forums.

Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} I am just saying that you suggested a system that is under development, and from previous post you ask for improvement suggestions and backtest result from others. It is also “selling an idea”, just the return is not money but info. I am just guessing people who are casually looking for a strategy idea wont do the test unless you start it, while serious followers may not share what they developed and backtested from the fragments of info and/or indicators. Little incentive and obligation. If you are serious about a mutual development then...
  • #28
  • Edited 8:12am Oct 25, 2020 7:54am | Edited 8:12am
Quoting ElectricSavant
besides....one persons edge is another persons junk. I have spent a career in these forums. {quote}
100% agree with you. These Newbees will not agree with this, Because they have a long way to go.

They started arguing with me but They don't even test and put the result. some of them think I am taking information from them what a negative thought. If I need information I will collect it from my chart and my setup. They will argue again and again Until I ignore them. They will lose money in this market again and again. After that, they will listen to us, Now if we say anything they will reject it. It is sad but true.

People are charging me as if they have paid me for the strategy. I have to give each and everything to them. They will not do any hard work. Then they will just buy and sell and make money, If they can't make money it is my fault. if they make money, money is there. Oh, WHAT A expectations. IF I told them to backtest they will tell me their not my employee, I took information from them.
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  • #29
  • Oct 25, 2020 9:28am Oct 25, 2020 9:28am
Quoting hasib
{quote} 100% agree with you. These Newbees will not agree with this, Because they have a long way to go. They started arguing with me but They don't even test and put the result.
Said the Guru who is trying to test/trade repainting indicators
Observer effect
  • #30
  • Oct 25, 2020 9:33am Oct 25, 2020 9:33am
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  • #31
  • Oct 25, 2020 10:13am Oct 25, 2020 10:13am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Said the Guru who is trying to test/trade repainting indicators
Another example of a person who doesn't even see the indicator, don't even install the indicator someone told he just believes all indicator repaint.

I told 3 indicators that don't repaint, who cares about it. Attack a man who shares an indicator and who wants to share something because he makes big mistake that he wants to share something in FF. I never claim myself as a guru. Because of this kind of person Lots of good people are no longer active in FF.
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  • #32
  • Oct 25, 2020 12:56pm Oct 25, 2020 12:56pm
Hello, my english is not so good, one has the pdf files open to explanations so I can give it to translators
  • #33
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:00pm Oct 25, 2020 3:00pm
Quoting hasib
{quote} If I need information I will collect it from my chart and my setup.
Then I thank you for suggesting some directions to look for another new strategy. I am going to take it, investigate the parameters, develop it into a full strategy, attempt to write an EA (signal or trade depending on final strategy), backtest and forwardtest it. I think from now I will be on my own and collect any necessary info on my chart and setup only. After all, even if I find my edge with the suggested indi, it may not be profitable if in others’ hand.

good luck to you!
  • #34
  • Oct 26, 2020 5:52am Oct 26, 2020 5:52am
Quoting hasib
{quote} Your computer doesn't have WinRAR probably. Install WinRAR
Even easier, Right Click, choose, Open With Windows Explorer

It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #35
  • Nov 1, 2020 11:40pm Nov 1, 2020 11:40pm
Quoting hasib
NILL
Hi, there was a series of files in the first post before, where are these PDFs?
  • #36
  • Nov 2, 2020 5:06am Nov 2, 2020 5:06am
i knew these indicators like 2 years ago.. i tested it with other indicator such as automatic harmonic indicator, divergence indicator, golden line indicator, Gann drawing indicator and so many.. it works well sometimes.. but i would encourage traders who like to use indicators to focus only on higher TF and of course.. care ur MM

in the end you guys will find out without using indicators work better
ForexCriminal
  • #37
  • Edited 7:53am Nov 2, 2020 7:41am | Edited 7:53am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Said the Guru who is trying to test/trade repainting indicators
@ryuryu -- the "self-proclaimed" Guru who doesn't know the difference between repainting vs Bar[0] recalculation. If someone doesn't know the difference then why would they attempt to steer people away from looking at the indicators @hasib has found useful and is attempting to share with others? It's a rhetorical question -- most people know why. It's because @ryuryu really, really cares about us, right? I don't think so...

I've just now checked -- the ZWinnerColorSignals indicator does not repaint -- but Bar[0] does recalculate, which most all indicators do and which is to be expected. The transition between colors (red-to-aqua, aqua-to-red), alone, appears to generate a very nice signal.

I have not used this indicator for trading -- though I might. Just saying "thanks" to @hasib and recommend he hang in there. People who complain are "a dime a dozen" and don't have the balls to open their own thread because they know how quickly they would be exposed as charlatons.
  • #38
  • Nov 2, 2020 12:21pm Nov 2, 2020 12:21pm
@hasib -- the more I experiement with the ZWinnerColorSignals indicator the more I like it (especially on H4) -- it generates excellent non-repainting signals. I'm currently incorporating it into one of my EAs.

Thank you @hasib.

And thank you @ryuryu -- if you weren't such a jerk I would have missed this gem...
  • #39
  • Nov 2, 2020 2:29pm Nov 2, 2020 2:29pm
You will find the ZWinner_Alert Indicator and other indicators here:
http://www.z4x.co.uk/Z4X/DOWNLOADS/index.html
  • #40
  • Nov 2, 2020 2:33pm Nov 2, 2020 2:33pm
Quoting robots4me
@hasib -- the more I experiement with the ZWinnerColorSignals indicator the more I like it (especially on H4) -- it generates excellent non-repainting signals. I'm currently incorporating it into one of my EAs. Thank you @hasib. And thank you @ryuryu -- if you weren't such a jerk I would have missed this gem...
I was trying to explain some valuable ideas here but Before understanding anything some people start complaining That is why I stop this thread.
It is nice to know you have found something good out of it.
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