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  • #76,381
  • Oct 23, 2020 11:14am Oct 23, 2020 11:14am
Quoting Boulder
Eu datapoints atm.. still bullish across the board,, {image}
Yeah 1881/82 minimal looks to be in play. 1881 was missed
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #76,382
  • Oct 23, 2020 11:29am Oct 23, 2020 11:29am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} Yeah 1881/82 minimal looks to be in play. 1881 was missed
1881.7 could be followed with a drop 1823 too, unlikely today.. Nothing written in stone.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #76,383
  • Oct 23, 2020 11:31am Oct 23, 2020 11:31am
I see Pharma lurking.. it missed 1881 Wednesday.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #76,384
  • Oct 23, 2020 11:35am Oct 23, 2020 11:35am
Quoting Boulder
Eu datapoints atm.. still bullish across the board,, {image}
Relax

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  • #76,385
  • Oct 23, 2020 11:39am Oct 23, 2020 11:39am
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  • #76,386
  • Oct 23, 2020 12:24pm Oct 23, 2020 12:24pm
Quoting gatorinla
Look, if the dumb asses, tin hat conspiracy, morons, try to invade the thread. I will remove them. Just t letting you know. Before other morons high 5 the others. This isn't the place for you.
Thank you!
  • #76,387
  • Oct 23, 2020 12:44pm Oct 23, 2020 12:44pm
Quoting gatorinla
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COT report Oct 20 out.. hedge funds have added more Eur shorts than longs this week...they are still heavy loaded in Eur longs..
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  • #76,388
  • Oct 23, 2020 7:10pm Oct 23, 2020 7:10pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} Its no better in the u.s. We are back to over 1k a day dying. 75k new cases per day. {image}
covid cases make a new record high today. 83k. Graph has a steep rise.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...u-s-again.html
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #76,389
  • Oct 23, 2020 10:31pm Oct 23, 2020 10:31pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} I just listen to real world renowned epidemiologist. The scientist that have dedicated their entire life. Studying infectious disease. Such as Dr. Fauci, Laurie Garrett, or Michael Osterholm. Not foot doctors, or radiologist from FOX trying to get 10 minutes of fame. People who have no experience with infectious disease. Definitely not Scott Atlas, Or the doctors with a Facebook degree. Maybe a John Hopkins epidemiology can explain the crap on social media. Here's my example: A man gets shot and losses a lot of blood. While being treated...
I understood your point.
And let it be clear, I do not deny the existence of the virus and that it kills!
I did not say it even once!
I just think his very coverage and treatment of the whole issue went out of proportion.
I tell you for sure that the families of the dead are signed a statement that they died of the virus even if there was no connection to it.
I do not know what is happening in terms of coverage in the US, I am from Israel.
We are the first to enter a second wave and another three-week closure that we are only now beginning to get out of.
A country of 8 million people whose biggest problem was in two sectors (Orthodox Jews and Arabs) living in overcrowding with lots of family members in small apartments.
We have reached 10K new cases
But seriously ill? 800 cases
In Israel, life expectancy is 82.5
Total deaths in Israel from the virus: 2329 deaths
Age of the dead from the virus (based on what I told you I do not really know)
More than 95% are over the age of 60
80% over age 70

Did an examination of the dead in the corresponding months in recent years and the gaps in the dead were not different at all ... the exact same thing.
The average age of death in Israel
So okay, fewer car accidents, fewer homicides (although every issue of couple homicides came up, probably because they stuck them together at home for too long)

The Bottom Line,
The well-known epidemiologists you mention, I have no idea who they are.
And what made them such good epidemiologists? What experience exactly?
What similar virus have we had recently? SARS? Swine Flu? All of this has not spread to almost anywhere that has given people experience with such a thing.
Check out what virus has raged in the world recently that has killed a lot of people .. Spanish flu? Smallpox? It was a long time ago, these epidemiologists were children.
Notice how at first they talked about sticking surfaces, did a real check on metal, cardboard, paper .. Went and disinfected the streets ..
Yes yes the epidemiologists ..
Today, the only restrictions are to wear a mask and not to stay indoors without ventilation.
Understand the gaps ..

Anyway, I wish us all only health !!!
Now read my first line that will understand my position once again.
  • #76,390
  • Oct 23, 2020 11:16pm Oct 23, 2020 11:16pm
Quoting gatenio
{quote} I understood your point. And let it be clear, I do not deny the existence of the virus and that it kills! I did not say it even once! I just think his very coverage and treatment of the whole issue went out of proportion. I tell you for sure that the families of the dead are signed a statement that they died of the virus even if there was no connection to it. I do not know what is happening in terms of coverage in the US, I am from Israel. We are the first to enter a second wave and another three-week closure that we are only now...
Okay another person thinking in exact same lines and seeing the same thing. A thousand pities to those who truly died from Covid, but I am even in the medical field, and I know that COVID is not a pandemic as much as they make it up to be. There are worse things out there that when they break out it isn't easy to hold back. Covid is a virus that the experts don't even know the true mode of transmission. They are all confused. And I am very certain there is an agenda behind it all at the end of the day.

I spoke with my friend who is a practising doctor in the UK and she told me yesterday that they had a COVID patient and that she was tired and suspicious of the whole thing. She just wears a mask in treating them. Me here I also just wear a mask. Now there was a time I had serious fever, sore throat and all the signs of COVID. I live alone so stayed home alone for about 2 weeks. Took nothing and got well. COVID or not I don't know or care, either.

The authorities should be sincere about the number of true Covid deaths and not just lump every death together as Covid.
  • #76,391
  • Oct 24, 2020 5:02am Oct 24, 2020 5:02am
Quoting Mitiblotch
{quote} Okay another person thinking in exact same lines and seeing the same thing. A thousand pities to those who truly died from Covid, but I am even in the medical field, and I know that COVID is not a pandemic as much as they make it up to be. There are worse things out there that when they break out it isn't easy to hold back. Covid is a virus that the experts don't even know the true mode of transmission. They are all confused. And I am very certain there is an agenda behind it all at the end of the day. I spoke with my friend who is a practising...
thank u miti!
btw, i saw you view about eu for 1.19+ on cable thread, iv’e got same view, wont be surprise to see even 1.196
  • #76,392
  • Oct 25, 2020 5:38am Oct 25, 2020 5:38am
Quoting gatenio
{quote} I understood your point. And let it be clear, I do not deny the existence of the virus and that it kills! I did not say it even once! I just think his very coverage and treatment of the whole issue went out of proportion. I tell you for sure that the families of the dead are signed a statement that they died of the virus even if there was no connection to it. I do not know what is happening in terms of coverage in the US, I am from Israel. We are the first to enter a second wave and another three-week closure that we are only now beginning...
Since you continue with this. Let me cut this off now. For some reason you seem to think your information/opinion is superior. First off you didnt even place any information sources. Only your opinion. I dont care if you work for a hospital doing whatever, or emptying waste baskets. You assured me as if it was fact, in a condescending way back. You also said in a condescending way. You never heard of the doctors mentioned. Let's cut to the chace and let me speak in a condescending way back. Frankly, I dont care. Your not going to come in my thread, and act like you information is more valuable. If you want to give an opinion, fine. When you state it as fact, no.

You mentioned numbers in a later post. Let's do the numbers. The virus started at 0. Later on January 20 case #1 . Today it's up to 8,600,000 confirmed cases. You seem to ignore the compounding effect of 9 months. You seem to have a problem with the 225,000 mortality figure. The compounding forward is a big ass number. If the stated numbers are a little high or low. It's just a way to misdirect the point. Your assumption may be wrong in a underestimate way. There was no covid test in Israel or anywhere else early on. Many were buried without a test. Especially in the Middle East.

That U.S. figure is actually low. You can add to it about 75,000 deaths more in collateral damage. Collateral being people who were not medically treated. Because of covid filling hospitals. New York EMTs were practicing DNR for victims of heart attack etc. unrelated to covid. We can add unperformed surgeries, cancer treatments, untreated drug overdoses, depression,abuse, malnutrition, suicide, etc. The estimated 75k+ more are figured through average year death increase. It's only been 9 months, so those collateral damage figures should rise. At the same time traffic and industrial deaths were lower. Someone has done this estimate, I dont have it now. I will look for it (300K+ in U.S). Research what the life insurance actuaries have said about this covid period. https://www.willistowerswatson.com/e...ys-perspective

Further the future effect of those infected is also not included. Lungs dont heal. Even some people (not all), with mild to no symptoms. Are showing, some lung, heart, brain damage, etc. This virus is still new, the experts say they dont know all the answers. You can die from covid effects years after you have it. Your quality of life, chained to a oxygen tank may be diminished. So for you to think you have the answers, is disingenuous. Or at least delusional. I dont have the answers. So I listen to the experts. Not the delusional crap from my leader, or or the Facebook PHD crowd. I post this because the Facebook PHD crowd may be harming followers with bullshit.

I like to ask 3 questions to people (or myself) who have a strong view about anything. #1 Have you ever been wrong? #2 What if your wrong this time? #3 What is the cost of being wrong.
If the experts I listen to are wrong. Oh well you may get a face rash from a mask. It's better than sick, dead and continuing to destroy the economy.

You dont stop a virus by making more of it. You seem to be emotionally tied to being right. The inability to see something as possibly wrong. When I allow your to repeat this on my thread. Is a danger to others.

I wasted a few minutes on this today and yesterday. If you choose to continue this. We disagree, and it may be best to do it somewhere else.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #76,393
  • Oct 25, 2020 2:04pm Oct 25, 2020 2:04pm
I like to ask 3 questions to people (or myself) who have a strong view about anything. #1 Have you ever been wrong? #2 What if your wrong this time? #3 What is the cost of being wrong. If the experts I listen to are wrong. Oh well you may get a face rash from a mask. It's better than sick, dead and continuing to destroy the economy. You dont stop a virus by making more of it. You seem to be emotionally tied to being right. The inability to see something as possibly wrong. When I allow your to repeat this on my thread. Is a danger to others. I wasted a few minutes on this today and yesterday. If you choose to continue this. We disagree, and it may be best to do it somewhere else.[/quote]

Marking this.post, what is the cost of being wrong..? What a tough one mate. Will re-read a few more times. Thank you.
  • #76,394
  • Oct 25, 2020 3:25pm Oct 25, 2020 3:25pm
Quoting Boulder
{quote} me too... close out 1853 +18 on longs.. just added short here 1854 {image}
shorts closed 1844 +10.
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  • #76,395
  • Oct 25, 2020 5:06pm Oct 25, 2020 5:06pm
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} Since you continue with this. Let me cut this off now. For some reason you seem to think your information/opinion is superior. First off you didnt even place any information sources. Only your opinion. I dont care if you work for a hospital doing whatever, or emptying waste baskets. You assured me as if it was fact, in a condescending way back. You also said in a condescending way. You never heard of the doctors mentioned. Let's cut to the chace and let me speak in a condescending way back. Frankly, I dont care. Your not going to come in...
"What is the cost of being wrong. If the experts I listen to are wrong. Oh well you may get a face rash from a mask. It's better than sick, dead and continuing to destroy the economy"...and either by not protecting yourself adequately, or encouraging or convincing others not to do so, contributing to the spread, and potential harm to or death of others, which of course is the real risk of magnifying the damage of a highly infectious pandemic. This is the most obvious flaw of trump's approach, which is to ignore and downplay the significance of this virus. Another obvious point in favor of taking the virus seriously, is that the response of governments all around the world has been unprecedented. They have far more access to information, real statistics, and advice from the world's leading and most experienced authorities on contagious diseases than any of us here, or any of our contacts. The damage which they are willingly inflicting on their own economies and citizens in an attempt to contain this virus reflects how seriously they view it. The response is obviously too coordinated from a diverse range of governments and authorities to fit into any neatly packaged "conspiracy theory" or "agenda." Who benefits from this "agenda"? Darth Vader? This will be my only comment, I agree with Gator that the facts, the damage and the statistics are indisputable, any argument against them is undeserving of further response.
  • #76,396
  • Oct 25, 2020 5:39pm Oct 25, 2020 5:39pm
statistics

Deaths from flu & pneumonia January-August
1976 - 46,487
1982 - 40,352
1997 - 40,476
2000 - 40,436
2020 - 14,013 ( why?!)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...zaandpneumonia
  • #76,397
  • Oct 25, 2020 6:37pm Oct 25, 2020 6:37pm
testing M30 uptrend stop 1.1836 atm... lets see bears can reverse it...20 mins to go...
  • #76,398
  • Oct 25, 2020 8:08pm Oct 25, 2020 8:08pm
Quoting Boulder
testing M30 uptrend stop 1.1836 atm... lets see bears can reverse it...20 mins to go...
Almost....30 m and 1H closed 1.18366 on ICmarket.

What are your other EU uptrend stops today Boulder?
  • #76,399
  • Oct 25, 2020 8:35pm Oct 25, 2020 8:35pm
Quoting Blackopal
{quote} Almost....30 m and 1H closed 1.18366 on ICmarket. What are your other EU uptrend stops today Boulder?

Followed by 30 m 1.18331
  • #76,400
  • Oct 25, 2020 8:49pm Oct 25, 2020 8:49pm
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