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  • Nov 2, 2006 4:10pm Nov 2, 2006 4:10pm
  •  Markj
  • | Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 527 Posts
Results for today:

1 trade only with profit 1 and profit 2 collected and profit 3 closed at NY session:

1 - 14
2 - 30
3 - 46

Total = 90 pips

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  • Nov 2, 2006 4:23pm Nov 2, 2006 4:23pm
  •  traderone
  • | Joined Feb 2005 | Status: Member | 392 Posts
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Micardo,

Here are the answer.

Strategy Three<o></o>

<o> </o>
1)Place Buy and Sell orders 20 pips away from London Open – 3 lots each<o></o>

2)3 take profit levels 14, 30 and 80 pips<o></o>

3)Stop Loss is placed at the NY close. Stop for third profit is placed to breakeven when 2 profit is collected<o></o>

4)the above recycles itself through out the day every time the price goes back below or above as it may be the entry price.<o></o>

5)All trades are cancelled at NY Close and reset.<o></o>

<o> </o>

Example<o></o>

1)<st1lace w:st="on"><st1:city w:st="on">London</st1:city></st1lace> open = 1.8800 so Buy 3 lots at 1.8820 and Sell 3 lots at 1.8780<o></o>

2)Take profit on lot one at 14 pips - Take Profit on Lot <st2:bcv_smarttag w:st="on">2 at 30</st2:bcv_smarttag> pips – Take Profit on Lot <st2:bcv_smarttag w:st="on">3 at 80</st2:bcv_smarttag> pips<o></o>

3)Stop Loss is placed at the <st1:city w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">London</st1lace></st1:city> open. <o></o>

4) 4) If we are entered into a long trade and the market retraces back below 1.8820 and stops us out then a new order is placed again at 1.8820 with the same above parameters. The same is true if we are in a short trade and the market retraces back up and stops us out.<o></o>

5) All orders are cancelled and rest at NY Close

Cheers
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MarkJ...
NOt sure I understand when you place the stop losses. The statements above seem to not agree.

Also, how much is the stop loss? 20 pips?

Thanks for any help here.
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  • Nov 2, 2006 5:24pm Nov 2, 2006 5:24pm
  •  Markj
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Sorry Traderstone, My mistake in the reply to Micardos document. The stops are placed at the London Open which will be a 20 pips stop. The 3rd profit stop is reposition to Breakeven once the 2nd profit level of 50 pips above London Open has been hit.

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  •  Markj
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3)Stop Loss is placed at the NY close. Stop for third profit is placed to breakeven when 2 profit is collected<o></o>
Mistake and is suppose to read:

3)Stop Loss is placed at the LONDON OPEN. Stop for third profit is placed to breakeven when 2 profit is collected.<o></o>
 
 
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  •  llambert3
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3)Stop Loss is placed at the NY close. Stop for third profit is placed to breakeven when 2 profit is collected<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o></o>
Mistake and is suppose to read:

3)Stop Loss is placed at the LONDON OPEN. Stop for third profit is placed to breakeven when 2 profit is collected.<o></o>
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Markj,

Forgive me for recapping my thoughts and understanding here. Hope I am not overdoing it, but want to understand your system.

I live in the eastern time zone of the usa, so I would set up a trade at 3:00 am (I think right?) which is London Open. My broker has a 5 pip spread for this pair and I am trading a mini account ($1 per pip)

If the 3am candle opened at 1.8800, then I'd set up a trade to buy 3 lots at 1.8820 (for simplicity let's say it is just a long trade and forget the sell)... If price gets to 1.8820 my s/l (which can be automatic with an if/then) is set to 1.8800 for all 3. If it hits, well I am down $75 (with spread).

At 1.8834 I sell one (and net 9 pips or $9 due to spread). The other two get stopped out, so I am at $9 on one lot and $-50 on the other two for a net of $-41. (EDIT - fixed the numbers)

However instead of being stopped out, if the 2nd lot reaches 1.8850, I am now up $9 in lot 1 and $25 (with spread) in lot 2. At this point I need to KNOW this happened so I can change my s/l to b/e or 1.8825 (so I net $0 with spread).

If the 3rd lot reaches 1.8880, I have netted $75 on the 3rd lot. Now my total profit is $9 + $25 + $75 = $109.

If any lot gets stopped out, you will manually enter new orders when "starting over" because the next hour candle may hit the +20 again, but you don't trust it, so you wait until the 2nd hour after the s/l hits to buy again.

At the NY close (5 pm eastern) if no trade has hit or stopped, you close the trades.

Is this it in a nutshell or do you add 5 pips (in my case) to each number to truly net 14, 30 and 80?

Thanks
 
 
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  •  Palmer
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llambert3:

Thanks for asking these questions for me ;-)...
 
 
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  • Nov 2, 2006 6:32pm Nov 2, 2006 6:32pm
  •  Markj
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Hi llambert3,

In a nutshell that is it.

The first profit was set to 14 pips originally to cover spread and net profit of 10 pips (at the time 4 pips spread). Yes I do add profit targets of other positions to cover spread however this is a decision left to the individual trader and they will need to decide.

I DO NOT ADD SPREAD TO FIRST PROFIT POSTION

Different traders will have different spreads. My broker has 3 pips spread for this pair. Maybe an option of a spread variable in an EA. This could then be added to the hard coded take profit positions.

Cheers

 
 
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  • Nov 2, 2006 6:37pm Nov 2, 2006 6:37pm
  •  manul
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I DO NOT ADD SPREAD TO FIRST PROFIT POSTION
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Markj,
Just to confirm that e.g. with your broker (i.e. 3 pips on the cable), the first price target is 14+3=17 i.e. the price has to advance 17 pips to get TPed, correct?
 
 
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  •  llambert3
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Markj,
Just to confirm that e.g. with your broker (i.e. 3 pips on the cable), the first price target is 14+3=17 i.e. the price has to advance 17 pips to get TPed, correct?
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I think he is saying 14-3 = 11pip profit. He is only adding pips to 2nd & 3rd, but he can answer for sure.
 
 
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  • Nov 2, 2006 8:15pm Nov 2, 2006 8:15pm
  •  Markj
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Manul,

I set my 1st profit at 14 pips. I would only add spread cost to 2nd and 3rd profit positions. The reason for this is that once price moves into 2nd and 3rd profit positions it is gaining momentum and rarley stops there so adding spread to profit target 2 and 3 will not see you miss many of these positions. However the first profit position is more fragile as market has not yet made a definite move and adding 3-5 pips onto the 1st target could see you miss a few of these positions.

So if you decide to add spread to profit targets and your broker spread cost is 4 I would suggest the following:

1st Profit - 14
2nd Profit - 34
3rd Profit - 84

I am in the process of finalising some detail documentation and indicators to go with this system. I will post here when complete.

Cheers
 
 
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  • Nov 2, 2006 9:46pm Nov 2, 2006 9:46pm
  •  Micardo
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Trend Follower | 349 Posts
Hey Guys ok I have varied my strategy slightly.... I found that just taking a straight 30 pips profit or 50 stop loss although profitable could definitely be improved.

So The new strategy is same set up but you trade 2 lots. and 2 profit targets.... 30 pips and 80 pips. The stop loss is still 50 pips.

Once the first profit target is hit you move the stop to break even and wait till second target is hit or 00:00gmt.

Also I have also added the fact that you can re-enter. But only if you get stopped out before hitting your first target.
If you have already hit the frst target and then get stopped out on the second lot at break even then you leave it.



Results for the past 2 months are:

39 Trades
26 Wins
13 Loss
Profit pips - 1924
Loss pips - 996

Total P/L: +928 for the two months. Not to bad huh :-)

Ok Just waiting for Kamanda's feedback then we will get started on back testing over a period of years, and developing the EA
 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2006 12:53am Nov 3, 2006 12:53am
  •  b-rock
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Member | 81 Posts
Thanks for organizing everything Micardo. I think an EA where it is possible to set your own variables like stop loss, take profit points, and distance from open etc. similar to what MarkJ had laid out would be incredibly promising.

Keep up the good work.
 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2006 2:22am Nov 3, 2006 2:22am
  •  funbot
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 16 Posts
Hi Markj,

Thanks very much for sharing and explaining your strategy (also to everyone else posting and testing strategies!).
I was hoping you could clarify a few points. The first sets of orders at day open seem pretty clear. I have some uncertainty about your reentry rules and a few other questions, if you don't mind...

1) Say your first shorts get stopped out (all 3). After the 2-candle grace period is over, the current price is below your short line from the beginning of the day. Are you entering anyway (possibly with new tp's and s/l) or do you wait for an actual crossing of the short line to occur after the grace period is over?

2) What if the 14/30 TP's are taken, but the 3rd stops out at breakeven--is the 2-candle reentry block still in effect?

3) Are you making decisions only at the close of an hourly candle or are you trading while each candle is painting? Does a candle have to close past one of the decision lines (the +20/-20 lines drawn at start of day) on the hourly chart or do you trigger your buys/sells by the minute?

4) On the word doc you attached earlier covering 5 days in October, your start lines are marked at 06:00 on your terminal. I matched your candles to mine and it seems to me that 06:00 on your terminal (and mine) are actually GMT+2. That would make the start time of the day in your examples 4 am GMT (with the day's centerline price taken as the close of the candle at 4:59am). Is that how you traded the system during testing or did you make a mistake with the word document?

I hope all of this makes sense. Any additional examples/screenshots you could post would also help to make the rules easier to understand. It's difficult to code an EA without every last little detail pinned down. I don't think I understand completely yet because all of my tests are showing a very negative expectation (except for those last few days in October which were good for your system and for whatever craziness I have coded so far).
 
 
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  •  Ronyn76
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Lord Of The Pips? | 227 Posts
Sorry if this has already been mentioned but what currency pair would this strategy be best suited for? The results you've made so far Micardo, are those with a specific currency pair? The GPB/USD perhaps since it is more volatile?
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  • Nov 3, 2006 5:32am Nov 3, 2006 5:32am
  •  Markj
  • | Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 527 Posts
Funbot,

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Hi Markj,

Thanks very much for sharing and explaining your strategy (also to everyone else posting and testing strategies!).
I was hoping you could clarify a few points. The first sets of orders at day open seem pretty clear. I have some uncertainty about your reentry rules and a few other questions, if you don't mind...

1) Say your first shorts get stopped out (all 3). After the 2-candle grace period is over, the current price is below your short line from the beginning of the day. Are you entering anyway (possibly with new tp's and s/l) or do you wait for an actual crossing of the short line to occur after the grace period is over?

No price must re-brake the lines. There is only one candle grace period i.e. you can re-enter 2nd candle after stop candle.

2) What if the 14/30 TP's are taken, but the 3rd stops out at breakeven--is the 2-candle reentry block still in effect?

Yes very much so and even more in this situation as a the further the price drops from to close out the more it is inclined to give a false rebound.

3) Are you making decisions only at the close of an hourly candle or are you trading while each candle is painting? Does a candle have to close past one of the decision lines (the +20/-20 lines drawn at start of day) on the hourly chart or do you trigger your buys/sells by the minute?

While candle is painting

4) On the word doc you attached earlier covering 5 days in October, your start lines are marked at 06:00 on your terminal. I matched your candles to mine and it seems to me that 06:00 on your terminal (and mine) are actually GMT+2. That would make the start time of the day in your examples 4 am GMT (with the day's centerline price taken as the close of the candle at 4:59am). Is that how you traded the system during testing or did you make a mistake with the word document?

Yes correct. Orginaly the results of this strategy were put together on a different server with GMT time. Recently a re-connect to different demo server had a europe time not GMT. Recent results have all be corrected. Iiholod actually pointed this out as well. So there is no confusion the two entry points are 20 pips above and below London open.

I hope all of this makes sense. Any additional examples/screenshots you could post would also help to make the rules easier to understand. It's difficult to code an EA without every last little detail pinned down. I don't think I understand completely yet because all of my tests are showing a very negative expectation (except for those last few days in October which were good for your system and for whatever craziness I have coded so far).
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Hope this answer your questions.

Cheers
 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2006 6:57am Nov 3, 2006 6:57am
  •  Micardo
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Trend Follower | 349 Posts
Ronyn thats correct I have only tested it on GBP/USD. You are welcome to test other currency pairs though.
 
 
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  • Nov 3, 2006 7:35am Nov 3, 2006 7:35am
  •  llambert3
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Thanks funbot for asking those, I was about to write the same things as it appears today's setup has done exactly that, so that is why I am posting what I see on the charts to see if I got it right.

I found out London is GMT (now that dst is over), so I think the London open is 8:00am. My charts are based on GMT anyway.

Open price = 1.9064
Buy price = 1.9084 (happened on 8:45 15m candle)

1st TP = 1.9098 (14 pips forgetting spread - happened on 9:30am 15m candle) S/L set for all 3 lots is now 1.9064.

2nd TP = 1.9114 (30 pips - had I added spread like Markj says he has been doing but leaves it up to the trader, it wouldn't hit because 1.9115 was the high) 30 pips hit in same 15 min. candle as 1st TP. S/L now set to 1.9089 to b/e on the 3rd lot.

3rd TP = 1.9164 (never reached. S/L of b/e hit on 10:45 15m candle.)

5 pip spread Profit = +9, +25, 0 = +34
5 pip spread adding spread to lot 2 and 3 Profit = +9 (1st lot), and then we are still in trade because 1.9064 has not been seen since initial buy. If it is seen, then -50 will occur, causing a net -41 for this trade.

RESTART (ONLY if not adding spread to lot 2 and 3)

Since 3rd TP hit on 10:45 15m candle (which is 10:00 H1 candle) I ignore the 11:00 H1 candle, which is good thing because it never really did anything.

The 2nd H1 candle (12:00) opened and has stayed above the new buy level of 1.9084 at first, but has since reached a low of 1.9082, and as of this writing is at 1.9088, so we are now in a new buy and starting all over.

Markj, if I have all of this right now, I won't bother writing and explaining again, as this scenario which played out live will cover any questions I believe. At least until I find something else.. hee hee
 
 
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  •  Micardo
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Trend Follower | 349 Posts
OK People I have finalised mine and Mark's Strategies with results.... You can see attached for the complete how to guides :-).

Markj could you have a quick read through both the strategies and just make sure they are consistent with your thinking. If they are ok I will then give them to the guys who will back test over years and then creat an EA.

Also Kamanda.... When you get a chance could you please provide that info so I can get yours put into an EA as well.
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  •  toddanderson
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What pairs have you tested this on



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OK People I have finalised mine and Mark's Strategies with results.... You can see attached for the complete how to guides :-).

Markj could you have a quick read through both the strategies and just make sure they are consistent with your thinking. If they are ok I will then give them to the guys who will back test over years and then creat an EA.

Also Kamanda.... When you get a chance could you please provide that info so I can get yours put into an EA as well.
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  •  hidethereal
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Quoting Micardo
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OK People I have finalised mine and Mark's Strategies with results.... You can see attached for the complete how to guides :-).

Markj could you have a quick read through both the strategies and just make sure they are consistent with your thinking. If they are ok I will then give them to the guys who will back test over years and then creat an EA.

Also Kamanda.... When you get a chance could you please provide that info so I can get yours put into an EA as well.
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I just read your instructions and it is similar to something that I have been using as well. What pairs does each system trade? Is it only the EUR/USD?
 
 
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