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  • #8,821
  • Aug 28, 2020 6:04am Aug 28, 2020 6:04am
The monthly is up and price at monthly demand Can I still buy that daily demand price is headed towards, this is similar to the 2nd question. I think the question here is can I buy all nested daily demands irrespective of the daily trend
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  • #8,822
  • Aug 28, 2020 12:09pm Aug 28, 2020 12:09pm
Quoting Obiech
Good day fellow trades I got questions please The monthly is on a down trend and price is at monthly supply, so I used wow trade confirmation as entry. The green zone marked above is the monthly zone. When price got to the zone, it dropped, broke daily uptrendline and formed 2 daily supplies. The 2 supplies has been tested now, but after testing the upper supply, it broke trendline again and formed a 3rd supply. That is the supply price is getting close to. So the question is if I can still trade this 3rd supply. The daily downtrend is now broken...
Arrival to the 3rd supply is good, I would wait for a confirmation, in h1. Because of the long wick base candle.
  • #8,823
  • Aug 29, 2020 1:55am Aug 29, 2020 1:55am
Quoting Royal146
{quote} Actually I do top down analysis every single time, D-H4-H1 also I look for fresh levels (it's the highest odd) at the time (yesterday London session) H4 made a HH and descending trend line breaks, that zone (wow) was the level I had an eye on it, I can go lower than H1, but that's not my plan! I didn't understand what was your sequence here? This is the sequence for intraday trading, H4, H1, 15m Or H1 15m 5m.
All I'm saying is to find the actual s&d levels you would need to go into price structure of that move to find it. All you are doing is marking the highs and lows. Example of another explanation and then I'll leave it. Just trying to help


Quoting Obiech
Good day fellow trades I got questions please The monthly is on a down trend and price is at monthly supply, so I used wow trade confirmation as entry. The green zone marked above is the monthly zone. When price got to the zone, it dropped, broke daily uptrendline and formed 2 daily supplies. The 2 supplies has been tested now, but after testing the upper supply, it broke trendline again and formed a 3rd supply. That is the supply price is getting close to. So the question is if I can still trade this 3rd supply. The daily downtrend is now broken...
Based on your markimgs, you have simply marked the highs. You need to go into price structure to find the actual level.

Level 3 is a pivot of level 2 and a test of supply level 2. If you put horizontal lines at 0.6691 to 0.6713 (level on top of level) and look at supply 2 within, you clearly see drop, base (supply), drop where price went down from. That's your supply level. Once a supply has been tested, in theory you wouldn't take it again as supply has been consumed.

You would also know that there is no supply at level 3 when you look into price. It's just a pivot from what I can see.

So no, I wouldn't trade that level. Chances are It'll prob break higher
Indicators only Indicate, Price action dictates.
  • #8,824
  • Edited 9:57pm Aug 29, 2020 11:25am | Edited 9:57pm
Quoting joe123
{quote} All I'm saying is to find the actual s&d levels you would need to go into price structure of that move to find it. All you are doing is marking the highs and lows. Example of another explanation and then I'll leave it. Just trying to help {quote} Based on your markimgs, you have simply marked the highs. You need to go into price structure to find the actual level. Level 3 is a pivot of level 2 and a test of supply level 2. If you put horizontal lines at 0.6691 to 0.6713 (level on top of level) and look at supply 2 within, you clearly see...

What makes you think we don't go deep into zone to find the start of the move? All the point of top down analysis is to refine your entry from higher timeframe and lower your risk!

No offense but you're keep saying go to price structure! What do you mean exactly?

When I find my levels in curve ( Daily), If there was an opportunity and level was qualified I would find entry in H1! Do you mean I should go deeper in zone, like 15m or 5m?

Do you agree a supply and demand zone is created when they remove valid(opposing zone)? Or breaking of the trend line?
And a HH or LL does not necessarily mean a supply or demand is created?
If we are not certain about a level we play confirmation game and filter out any not working levels.

If you add other variables like support and resistance or any other indicators does not necessarily mean others should do that, I just try to keep every thing simple as it can be.

Actually, I don't know how you find your levels!
Can you explain in some examples?
  • #8,825
  • Aug 31, 2020 10:28pm Aug 31, 2020 10:28pm
Hello everyone

First video in a little while.

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best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,826
  • Sep 1, 2020 3:37am Sep 1, 2020 3:37am
Quoting Obiech
Good day fellow trades I got questions please The monthly is on a down trend and price is at monthly supply, so I used wow trade confirmation as entry. The green zone marked above is the monthly zone. When price got to the zone, it dropped, broke daily uptrendline and formed 2 daily supplies. The 2 supplies has been tested now, but after testing the upper supply, it broke trendline again and formed a 3rd supply. That is the supply price is getting close to. So the question is if I can still trade this 3rd supply. The daily downtrend is now broken...
Hello Obiech
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and queries on the AUDCHF.
Its definitely resulted in everyone thinking.

I have shared some of my thoughts and observations on the charts below.
Hope it helps clarify some things

best wishes
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  • #8,827
  • Sep 1, 2020 4:00am Sep 1, 2020 4:00am
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  • #8,828
  • Sep 1, 2020 1:31pm Sep 1, 2020 1:31pm
New to thread this might be discussed allready at somepoint but asking since im not fully through yet working my way there 50/422 pages read.

What rules for exits in general very familiar now with entry side basic rules. Do we generally want to trade from zone to zone (and which Timeframe? STF ITF CTF?)
depending on market condition or if catching trend then we trade for new HH or LL. What set of variables people are using ?

exit targets that i have spinning in my head..
with trend next fresh opposing?
countertrend last valid entry time frame opposing zone ?
Larger continuations in favor of trend ie. curve trend up ? which spots best for positioning into this size of long holds ?
Always just trade from Z-Z? which cases exceptions? getting out when trend and opp zone that is holding your trade direction breaks? many questions which will most likely clarify alot when i get through the whole thread.

Million ways to do it trying to find mine.

Thanks for more knowledged people for potential replies!
  • #8,829
  • Sep 1, 2020 2:26pm Sep 1, 2020 2:26pm
Hi to all and Atk,

I contributed to this thread some time ago, but did not had time to keep up with trading for a longer time. Now i have time again and I want to post Top Down Analysis from time to time. I will simply pick out a currency pair and do my Analysis. Please feel free to give some feedback. My timeframe is Monthly-Weekly-Daily.

Thank you
Greetings Mike
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  • #8,830
  • Sep 1, 2020 2:55pm Sep 1, 2020 2:55pm
Hi guys,

as I have time, here another one for EURAUD.

Thank you
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  • #8,831
  • Sep 2, 2020 9:27am Sep 2, 2020 9:27am
Quoting dgt
New to thread this might be discussed allready at somepoint but asking since im not fully through yet working my way there 50/422 pages read. What rules for exits in general very familiar now with entry side basic rules. Do we generally want to trade from zone to zone (and which Timeframe? STF ITF CTF?) depending on market condition or if catching trend then we trade for new HH or LL. What set of variables people are using ? exit targets that i have spinning in my head.. with trend next fresh opposing? countertrend last valid entry time frame opposing...
Hello dgt and welcome to T.I.O.F

If i may, in response to your question, you are right, there are several methods available to traders (not just those trading primarily the Spply and demand approach) in terms of exits.

All the ways you highlighted could be used but the approach to pick should be dictated by the chart circumstances and the position size the trader is able to have.

For example, if one is entering with one micro-lot it would not be wise to try to target a curve level for exit.
Whereas, one trading multiple lots is able to vary exit locations by scaling out at pre-determined targets or trailing the stop.
Trading zone to zone is probably the most reasonable approach for traders trading smaller sizes.

One another approach would be using what are called "fixed exits" based on reward to risk ratios. For example, setting a 2:1 or higher multiple of risk to exit the trade.
This approach requires the trader to be entirely fine with whatever prices do after that exit is hit. This is a very important point, as there will be times
when post-exit the market continues in the same direction. Some traders will have the type of personality that this will not sit well with and so it can
affect their mindset and therefore their subsequent trades in a negative way.

So as usual, with speculation, it all comes down knowing oneself and trading in a fashion that is line with one's personality and in one's best interest.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,832
  • Sep 4, 2020 2:11am Sep 4, 2020 2:11am
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone. Speaking about the use of trend lines and the significance of trend line breaks in S.A.D Best wishes {image}
The Trend is your friend-ish. Interesting view of trend from the perspective of Newtons laws
  • #8,833
  • Sep 4, 2020 12:49pm Sep 4, 2020 12:49pm
Hello AKT, glad you're recently back online. I assume SandD methodology can be applied to any market since that's what it's all about. I did a top down analysis of BTC/USD. Kindly check them and let me know what you think, I also asked some questions in the chart and if you could share your analysis BTCUSD, that would simply be superb. Thanks in advance.
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  • #8,834
  • Sep 4, 2020 4:20pm Sep 4, 2020 4:20pm
Hello AKT
I haven't posted anything yet because i have been watching the storehouseanalytics YouTube videos and going through all the trading ideas and conversations from the thread from page 1.While doing so i came across the word "embedded zone" a couple of times.Is it a hidden zone or a zone within a zone?

Best wishes
  • #8,835
  • Sep 4, 2020 8:32pm Sep 4, 2020 8:32pm
Quoting Pbee
Hello AKT I haven't posted anything yet because i have been watching the storehouseanalytics YouTube videos and going through all the trading ideas and conversations from the thread from page 1.While doing so i came across the word "embedded zone" a couple of times.Is it a hidden zone or a zone within a zone? Best wishes

Hey Pbee, when we talk about embedded zones we're talking about identifying a zone on a timeframe, then drilling down to a smaller timeframe and looking for a zone within the zone you just defined.

i.e Defining your curve level on the Daily then moving down to the 4H and finding a zone on the 4H that is also inside the Daily area you defined. Helps pin-point where the start of the move is. It also, in most cases, helps decrease your risk.

So to answer your question plainly. Zone within a zone.

Hope that helps.
  • #8,836
  • Sep 7, 2020 9:55am Sep 7, 2020 9:55am
Hey guys,

Do you take this zone as CP or Valley?
Thanks
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  • #8,837
  • Sep 7, 2020 10:27am Sep 7, 2020 10:27am
Quoting Royal146
Hey guys, Do you take this zone as CP or Valley? Thanks {image}
CP All day
  • #8,838
  • Sep 7, 2020 12:00pm Sep 7, 2020 12:00pm
GBPUSD intraday short... 30mins/1min sequence
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cut your losses short and let your profit run
  • #8,839
  • Sep 7, 2020 12:05pm Sep 7, 2020 12:05pm
USDCAD long trade...h4/30mins sequence
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cut your losses short and let your profit run
  • #8,840
  • Sep 7, 2020 12:10pm Sep 7, 2020 12:10pm
Quoting bleeze
GBPUSD intraday short... 30mins/1min sequence {image} {image}
It's about to fly up son
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