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  • #8,661
  • Aug 9, 2020 12:30pm Aug 9, 2020 12:30pm
Quoting DavidKl
{quote} Hi Mate, It really depends on what do you want to do. Do you want to trade with the trend or do you want to catch the bottom (risky). In this scenario what is your curve timeframe? Where is the price compared to your curve supply or demand. Looking at the picture from a point of view, is it a supply or demand, I wouldn't classify this as a true supply zone, I'd use the zone in question to see what's gonna happen there. Let's say, that this supply zone was created (or sell zone not sure if it was 2:1) near the curve Demand zone, I'd first...

Just came to say I agree with your thoughts on the post there David

D.B
  • #8,662
  • Aug 9, 2020 12:48pm Aug 9, 2020 12:48pm
Hey guys, I use MT4 platform, after updating to 1280 buid 4 version. some of my indicators not working, (=< 50% basing candles), anybody can help me to solve this problem or re writing the code?
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  • #8,663
  • Aug 9, 2020 12:51pm Aug 9, 2020 12:51pm
Quoting DavidKl
{quote} It can be, but you also need to score the level, where is it on the curve? low high or mid, did it move 2:1, move away, trend direction etc. After all that you can make decisions on what to do next. Thank you David
Yes you're right, but here I'm not talking about the odd enhancers or rules to take the supply or demand level. Please check out the original post #127
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...82#post8922582
  • #8,664
  • Aug 9, 2020 1:22pm Aug 9, 2020 1:22pm
Quoting Royal146
{quote} Yes you're right, but here I'm not talking about the odd enhancers or rules to take the supply or demand level. Please check out the original post #127 https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...82#post8922582
Hi, I wouldn't class this as a supply zone, It doesn't meet my 2:1 criteria that's the first thing. But going back to what I wrote previously, you need to look at the whole picture sometimes to determine if this is a zone or not. Otherwise, all the bots could trade every supply and demand zones, that's why we need to interpret the market and take the trades that have the highest chance of success. Thanks
  • #8,665
  • Aug 9, 2020 4:35pm Aug 9, 2020 4:35pm
Quoting Royal146
{quote} Yes you're right, but here I'm not talking about the odd enhancers or rules to take the supply or demand level. Please check out the original post #127 https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...82#post8922582

Just to add to what David said
There's a difference between a vaild zone that took out opposing level or broke trendline and the tradebility of that level

The supply zone is vaild because it took out an opposing demand however not tradable.
it becomes tradeable when the conditions started by David are met
  • #8,666
  • Aug 9, 2020 4:40pm Aug 9, 2020 4:40pm
Quoting Obiech
{quote} Just to add to what David said There's a difference between a vaild zone that took out opposing level or broke trendline and the tradebility of that level The supply zone is vaild because it took out an opposing demand however not tradable. it becomes tradeable when the conditions started by David are met

However if the supply zone is to remain untradeable but is taken out by a demand, that demand becomes validated.
However the demand becomes tradeable only when the conditions written by David are met.

I really hope I haven't confused you the more
  • #8,667
  • Aug 10, 2020 4:22am Aug 10, 2020 4:22am
Quoting Obiech
{quote} However if the supply zone is to remain untradeable but is taken out by a demand, that demand becomes validated. However the demand becomes tradeable only when the conditions written by David are met. I really hope I haven't confused you the more
Hi Obiech,

I agree with you mate.

It's all about context.

David
  • #8,668
  • Aug 10, 2020 5:08am Aug 10, 2020 5:08am
Quoting Obiech
{quote} Just to add to what David said There's a difference between a vaild zone that took out opposing level or broke trendline and the tradebility of that level The supply zone is vaild because it took out an opposing demand however not tradable. it becomes tradeable when the conditions started by David are met
If a sell zone took out a valid demand zone the zone becomes a valid supply (even if it's not tradable and doesn't meet our rules). We don't trade every supply and demand.
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I just wanted to know if the circled area (the cp - 50% body candle) that I've drawn on that picture was a demand or not. And I think it was a valid one based on monthly timeframe that I saw.
  • #8,669
  • Aug 10, 2020 6:50am Aug 10, 2020 6:50am
Quoting Royal146
{quote} If a sell zone took out a valid demand zone the zone becomes a valid supply (even if it's not tradable and doesn't meet our rules). We don't trade every supply and demand. . . I just wanted to know if the circled area (the cp - 50% body candle) that I've drawn on that picture was a demand or not. And I think it was a valid one based on monthly timeframe that I saw.
Hi Royal,

I agree what you are saying regarding if the zone is a supply zone or not. The reason why Obiech, D.B and myself are saying that you need to take the context into consideration is because in the end you need a good quality zone so you can trade from it and make money. Otherwise it may lead you in the wrong direction and you can loose money. Even if the zone will take out an opposing level it doesn't mean automatically that I will take the trade from it. Getting a closer look at it I wouldn't consider it as a true supply, I will look at it as an area that some sellers were still there, I'd probably use it for a confirmation trade going long.

Thanks

David
  • #8,670
  • Aug 10, 2020 6:59am Aug 10, 2020 6:59am
Quoting Royal146
{quote} If a sell zone took out a valid demand zone the zone becomes a valid supply (even if it's not tradable and doesn't meet our rules). We don't trade every supply and demand. . . I just wanted to know if the circled area (the cp - 50% body candle) that I've drawn on that picture was a demand or not. And I think it was a valid one based on monthly timeframe that I saw.
Hi Royal

I attached a screenshot below please see what happened, that's what I was saying about the quality of the zone.

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  • #8,671
  • Aug 10, 2020 9:01am Aug 10, 2020 9:01am
Quoting DavidKl
{quote} Hi Royal I attached a screenshot below please see what happened, that's what I was saying about the quality of the zone. {image}
Yes, I see that the above supply zone (that took out demands on the left and also moved 2:1 also nested in M selling zone) was tradable, the lower one didnt take out any demand , also weekly trendline has broken at the time and new demand created (but we don't trade demands here because monthly is downtrend. Just have to wait for price to move to the monthly.
  • #8,672
  • Aug 10, 2020 9:14am Aug 10, 2020 9:14am
Quoting Royal146
{quote} Yes, I see that the above supply zone (that took out demands on the left and also moved 2:1 also nested in M selling zone) was tradable, the lower one didnt take out any demand , also weekly trendline has broken at the time and new demand created (but we don't trade demands here because monthly is downtrend. Just have to wait for price to move to the monthly.
That's right, we just need to choose the best zone to trade with and this one would have been a great trade.
  • #8,673
  • Aug 10, 2020 10:52am Aug 10, 2020 10:52am
Quoting DavidKl
{quote} That's right, we just need to choose the best zone to trade with and this one would have been a great trade.
Do you trade set and forget or you wait for conformation (WOW)?
  • #8,674
  • Aug 10, 2020 11:10am Aug 10, 2020 11:10am
Quoting Royal146
{quote} Do you trade set and forget or you wait for conformation (WOW)?
Hi Royal, it really depends what situation I'm in, if my zone doesn't meet all of the criteria, 2:1 move away, it's not of the greatest departure etc, I will be taking the confirmation trade (WOW). sometimes curve TF is already doing the WOW setup then I'm more confident on set and forget on the middle TF or entry TF. I will only set and forget when I got all the TFs alligned and the price action is low on the curve. Also, I really like taking the confirmation type of entry when the price is sitting in my curve TF (4H) then I jump to the 15m looking for confirmation to either go long or short.
  • #8,675
  • Aug 10, 2020 12:12pm Aug 10, 2020 12:12pm
Hello everyone

I hope everyone is keeping safe and well.

I have been away for a little while, doing my bit during the pandemic and while we are not out of the woods yet, i feel it is time for me to return to continue the work here.

I wanted to say a big thank you to you all for keeping the thread going, respecting each other's points of view.
I also want to say thank you to all of you who have been in touch asking after my welfare, sharing your charts, etc.
Your communications have shown me how valued this thread has been to people looking to trade consistently and profitably.

Let us resume.

many thanks again and best wishes to you all.
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,676
  • Aug 10, 2020 12:15pm Aug 10, 2020 12:15pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone I hope everyone is keeping safe and well. I have been away for a little while, doing my bit during the pandemic and while we are not out of the woods yet, i feel it is time for me to return to continue the work here. I wanted to say a big thank you to you all for keeping the thread going, respecting each other's points of view. I also want to say thank you to all of you who have been in touch asking after my welfare, sharing your charts, etc. Your communications have shown me how valued this thread has been to people looking to trade...
Welcome Back AKT.. good to see you ..eagerly waiting for your YT videos.
  • #8,677
  • Aug 10, 2020 12:15pm Aug 10, 2020 12:15pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone I hope everyone is keeping safe and well. I have been away for a little while, doing my bit during the pandemic and while we are not out of the woods yet, i feel it is time for me to return to continue the work here. I wanted to say a big thank you to you all for keeping the thread going, respecting each other's points of view. I also want to say thank you to all of you who have been in touch asking after my welfare, sharing your charts, etc. Your communications have shown me how valued this thread has been to people looking to trade...
Hi Akt, welcome back
  • #8,678
  • Aug 10, 2020 12:40pm Aug 10, 2020 12:40pm
Quoting Royal146
{quote} Yes, I see that the above supply zone (that took out demands on the left and also moved 2:1 also nested in M selling zone) was tradable, the lower one didnt take out any demand , also weekly trendline has broken at the time and new demand created (but we don't trade demands here because monthly is downtrend. Just have to wait for price to move to the monthly.
Hello Royal146

If i may, some further thoughts on the zones on the GBPNZD i think are worth keeping in mind.

Further reason why the lower level was a further challenge to really focus on.

best wishes
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,679
  • Aug 10, 2020 12:41pm Aug 10, 2020 12:41pm
Quoting salmanali203
{quote} Welcome Back AKT.. good to see you ..eagerly waiting for your YT videos.
Hello salmanali203 & David K1

Thank you both and Keep up the good work

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,680
  • Aug 10, 2020 1:20pm Aug 10, 2020 1:20pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone I hope everyone is keeping safe and well. I have been away for a little while, doing my bit during the pandemic and while we are not out of the woods yet, i feel it is time for me to return to continue the work here. I wanted to say a big thank you to you all for keeping the thread going, respecting each other's points of view. I also want to say thank you to all of you who have been in touch asking after my welfare, sharing your charts, etc. Your communications have shown me how valued this thread has been to people looking to trade...
Hello Akt, glad to see you again
I am sorry, i speak English a little bit
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