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  • #8,601
  • Jun 25, 2020 8:22pm Jun 25, 2020 8:22pm
Quoting justhere
Hello everybody, I have a few months looking at this group and can say that I see the market in a different way thanks to all of you. Today Ive created an account in FF because I wanted to ask you guys where can I continue learning in an advance way, I just know the very basic that all young guy dreaming about forex start with, so thats why I am asking you right now. If anyone of you know where a newbie can learn more about SnD or study advance concepts that I know all you guys knows, please let me know. I am just interested in supply and demand...
Go to set and forget channel on YouTube

There is a 1hr video were he explained the concept well. The other 10 min videos aren't that important tho.

Before that go to his page on ff (Supply and demand in a nutshell by Alfonso Moreno)
Read his pdf. You can get it on his page
That should help
  • #8,602
  • Jun 25, 2020 8:30pm Jun 25, 2020 8:30pm
Quoting Yfxtrading
can someone please explain why I should not have bought at the fresh monthly demand?? {image}

Where is your MTF analysis
  • #8,603
  • Jun 26, 2020 6:52am Jun 26, 2020 6:52am
Quoting Yfxtrading
can someone please explain why I should not have bought at the fresh monthly demand?? {image}
There isn't anything on the chart that tells you why this zone shouldn't have worked out, you simply just have to accept that not all zones that fit the criteria will work out profitably.
The main thing is that you focus on the process; if you get an entry, you take it. If you don't then, you don't. If the trade loses it doesn't mean you did something wrong, it just means that the trade idea wasn't meant to work out. That's all you should focus on. Now that the monthly demand zone has been broken, you should now draw in the monthly supply zone that caused the break. Instead of trying to figure out the secret message that says that the zone wouldn't have worked out, just adapt your analysis with the market.

Hope that helps
  • #8,604
  • Jun 26, 2020 12:23pm Jun 26, 2020 12:23pm
Last night I had that area highlighted red to be a potential supply zone before dropping down, I woke up this morning it spiked down after hitting into that supply ended up rallying but that rally seemed to me as if a demand zone was placed there before which I shown with the blue marked after seeing that rally.

but For someone who wants to Pursue Intraday/Swing what TFs are important , and for Gold in which we know is a metal so they move a little faster than currencies so what TFS for gold as Intraday/Swing
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  • #8,605
  • Jun 27, 2020 11:15pm Jun 27, 2020 11:15pm
Quoting ItsTroyy
Last night I had that area highlighted red to be a potential supply zone before dropping down, I woke up this morning it spiked down after hitting into that supply ended up rallying but that rally seemed to me as if a demand zone was placed there before which I shown with the blue marked after seeing that rally. but For someone who wants to Pursue Intraday/Swing what TFs are important , and for Gold in which we know is a metal so they move a little faster than currencies so what TFS for gold as Intraday/Swing {image} {image}
Hey Troy,

Both Intraday and Swing will use different timeframes.

If you trade intraday then your analysis and trades will not use any timeframe greater than the daily and you will not be looking to hold trades for several days on end.
Examples of time frame combinations: Daily -> 4Hr -> 1Hr OR 4Hr -> 1Hr -> 15mins OR 1Hr -> 15mins -> 5mins
Intraday trading also encompasses scalping.

Swing trading on the other hand is for traders who are looking to take larger trades and hold them for several days but not for weeks and months on end.
A simple swing trading combination is Weekly -> Daily -> 4Hr

As you can see, once you understand the definition of each then choosing the timeframes simply boils down to personal preference.
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Edit: I checked out the images you sent and it seems you missed a decent opportunity on gold there, it happens. On to the next.

One thing to note though, your zones seem to be drawn from the wicks only and not encompassing the bodies of the candles.
I am not sure if that is simply how you trade but if you're trading this methodology we do draw the zones differently.

Regards,
D.B
  • #8,606
  • Jun 28, 2020 7:59am Jun 28, 2020 7:59am
Quoting Yfxtrading
can someone please explain why I should not have bought at the fresh monthly demand?? {image}
Hello Yfxtrading, truly not all VALID supply and demand zones will work, not because your analysis was wrong but, simply because of a change in market dynamics.
Below is my analysis of GBPAUD.
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Hope this helps you to understand why you shouldn't have bought at that point.

Cheers.
  • #8,607
  • Jun 28, 2020 1:24pm Jun 28, 2020 1:24pm
Quoting Diddyy
{quote} Hello Yfxtrading, truly not all VALID supply and demand zones will work, not because your analysis was wrong but, simply because of a change in market dynamics. Below is my analysis of GBPAUD.{image} Hope this helps you to understand why you shouldn't have bought at that point. Cheers.
Very detailed, nice.

D.B
  • #8,608
  • Jun 28, 2020 1:47pm Jun 28, 2020 1:47pm
My top down analysis for GBPJPY, didn’t quite have a intraday entry and see what this pair wants to move to for the day for Sunday’s Open. Let me know what to fix up and your opinions if you were to look for swing/intraday opportunity in this pair
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  • #8,609
  • Jun 28, 2020 4:39pm Jun 28, 2020 4:39pm
Quoting ItsTroyy
My top down analysis for GBPJPY, didn’t quite have a intraday entry and see what this pair wants to move to for the day for Sunday’s Open. Let me know what to fix up and your opinions if you were to look for swing/intraday opportunity in this pair {image} {image} {image} {image}

I trade the weekly daily and 4hr
I don't ever go below

Nice analysis
but how I trade mine is that I would look for long opportunities when the daily trend change from down to up and not when price hits the weekly demand
  • #8,610
  • Jun 28, 2020 6:48pm Jun 28, 2020 6:48pm
Quoting Diddyy
{quote} Hello Yfxtrading, truly not all VALID supply and demand zones will work, not because your analysis was wrong but, simply because of a change in market dynamics. Below is my analysis of GBPAUD.{image} Hope this helps you to understand why you shouldn't have bought at that point. Cheers.

Just an observation
Why didn't you consider that white candle that got engulfed by the other red candle as a zone
The candle just below the zone you numbered 7
  • #8,611
  • Jun 28, 2020 10:04pm Jun 28, 2020 10:04pm
Quoting Obiech
{quote} I trade the weekly daily and 4hr I don't ever go below
Hey Obiech,

Just a question: Have you noted poorer results from trading lower timeframe combinations or the W->D->4Hr TF combo is just your preference?

Thanks,
D.B
  • #8,612
  • Jun 29, 2020 8:36am Jun 29, 2020 8:36am
Quoting D.B
{quote} Hey Obiech, Just a question: Have you noted poorer results from trading lower timeframe combinations or the W->D->4Hr TF combo is just your preference? Thanks, D.B

Yes I've noted poor results
I feel to trade lower tf would require a little adjustment to my system
Although I know someone that trades lower tf well, his rules are different from mine but the core concept is the same, so maybe supply and demand would also work on smaller Tf if done well but at the same time I can remember reading a post from a mentor were he said we shouldn't go below the daily as our curve tf.
But the weekly works well for me so i just stick with it
  • #8,613
  • Jun 29, 2020 1:07pm Jun 29, 2020 1:07pm
Quoting Obiech
{quote} Yes I've noted poor results I feel to trade lower tf would require a little adjustment to my system Although I know someone that trades lower tf well, his rules are different from mine but the core concept is the same, so maybe supply and demand would also work on smaller Tf if done well but at the same time I can remember reading a post from a mentor were he said we shouldn't go below the daily as our curve tf. But the weekly works well for me so i just stick with it
Understood, thanks for the feedback.

D.B
  • #8,614
  • Jun 29, 2020 4:13pm Jun 29, 2020 4:13pm
hi D.B,

I actually tried to do the D-4H-1H couple of weeks ago, but I wasn't getting the setups as frequently as I thought I will. I am working from home so I can go ahead and watch the chart every 30/1h to see if the setups are forming. What I found quite frustrating on the the D-4H-1H is when I see a confirmation setup it might not occur for another few hours and I found myself just waiting and waiting for it to happen. Once I was in the trade, I had to wait even 10-12 hours for the trade to complete, of course sometimes it would have been couple of hours etc, but I found that I need more trades in the live environment to make adjustments if necessary, the higher tf combination wasn't giving me enough screen time. I am actually thinking about opening 2nd live account where I am going to be swing trading and I will compare the results with the 4H-1H-15M as soon as I have enough data. Going back to TF combination it's not really about which one is more successful, I hear about guys using 15m as their curve timeframe so you can imagine how quickly they got to be in or out, but that's just waaay to quick for me, but they make it successful. Their brain feels comfortable in that situation and mine doesn't, my sweet spot is the 4H as curve and then work the way down.
  • #8,615
  • Jun 29, 2020 4:40pm Jun 29, 2020 4:40pm
This is very useful insight David,
The matter of timeframes really seems to just boil down to personal preference/individual trading style in the end.
I'll be looking forward to hearing your results from swing trading on the second account.

D.B
  • #8,616
  • Jul 2, 2020 9:48am Jul 2, 2020 9:48am
Hi Guys, just a random question.

For your curve levels, do you only use levels i.e. 4H curve, when the level consumed opposite level or do you take into consideration a level that created a 2:1 imbalance and it shows that there was some buying in that area?

I attached a pic below. It's the zone where the black arrow is pointing.

Thanks

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  • #8,617
  • Jul 2, 2020 12:41pm Jul 2, 2020 12:41pm
Quoting DavidKl
Hi Guys, just a random question. For your curve levels, do you only use levels i.e. 4H curve, when the level consumed opposite level or do you take into consideration a level that created a 2:1 imbalance and it shows that there was some buying in that area? I attached a pic below. It's the zone where the black arrow is pointing. Thanks {image}

I take into consideration 2:1 imbalance
  • #8,618
  • Jul 2, 2020 1:02pm Jul 2, 2020 1:02pm
Quoting Obiech
{quote} I take into consideration 2:1 imbalance
Got it
  • #8,619
  • Jul 2, 2020 9:20pm Jul 2, 2020 9:20pm
Quoting Obiech
{quote} I take into consideration 2:1 imbalance
Same here

D.B
  • #8,620
  • Jul 3, 2020 2:27am Jul 3, 2020 2:27am
Question why would you consider it if the daily is making lows ? Or would you not take the cp on the daily as a point ?
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