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  • #21
  • Jun 4, 2020 10:54am Jun 4, 2020 10:54am
Quoting Trader555
{quote} From my neck of the woods, sadly, what happens in America affects my part of the world and on a very large scale, since America was first discovered. Amongst witnessing a number of emotional moments of close friends this and last week based on the events in America, the hardest point was listening to a close friend explaining to his 12 year old daughter, in the gentlest possible way, why a section of society (at this point, the number of which is difficult to quantify) hates her skin colour. He had to do this after she herself started receiving...
My extra 2c: There is ALWAYS something stupid happening in America. Every day that something mind-numbingly dumb happens in America is just another day the sun rose.

Quite frankly, it's BORING and EXPECTED.

After a bunch of kids got shot to shit and America just went "Well, too hard. Thoughts and prayers #yolo" a lot of people washed their hands of giving a shit anymore. America makes its own bed, then lays in it.

I'm not on board with kneeing handcuffed people in the neck, but deciding what to eat for dinner is more of a concern in my life. I'm sure there really are more important things happening elsewhere in the world, it's just that there's an unflushed turd pretending to be a leader and people somehow give more damns than the whole situation deserves.

What's happening in North Korea? Is that flat-top fat fuck still alive, or what? I lost track, and it's more interesting.
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #22
  • Jun 4, 2020 12:04pm Jun 4, 2020 12:04pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Unfortunately this is a cycle of hate & mistrust that is deep ingrained into society, not just in the US but across the world. Black people feel" hard done by" society, media also perpetuates this constantly. Black people have negative profiling similar to how muslims were after 911 It will take great leaders to change this perception and bring people, whatever their race or colour together. Jacinda Aherne, the New Zealand Prime Minister comes to my mind as one such example. I have nothing but praise for her how she has brought her people...
Quoting nubcake
{quote} My extra 2c: There is ALWAYS something stupid happening in America. Every day that something mind-numbingly dumb happens in America is just another day the sun rose. Quite frankly, it's BORING and EXPECTED. After a bunch of kids got shot to shit and America just went "Well, too hard. Thoughts and prayers #yolo" a lot of people washed their hands of giving a shit anymore. America makes its own bed, then lays in it. I'm not on board with kneeing handcuffed people in the neck, but deciding what to eat for dinner is more of a concern in my life. I'm sure there really are more important things happening elsewhere in the world, it's just that there's an unflushed turd pretending to be a leader and people somehow give more damns than the whole situation deserves. What's happening in North Korea? Is that flat-top fat fuck still alive, or what? I lost track, and it's more interesting.

People in positions of power have been given an undeserved amount of attention for far too long, particularly by the mainstream media. The rhetoric from 'certain' leaders fan the flames and us common folk on the ground have to deal with the brunt of that BS, both citizens AND police.

But...here's a thought...we the people, put them there, didn't we. And we keep doing that, time & time again. Until that changes, it'll be more of the same. In that sense, just like you Nubcake, I'm bored.

We need a better choice of politicians. Not the best of a bad bunch, which generally seems to happen with each passing election year, in many different countries.
Psychological evaluations need to happen for every person that wishes to enter government, particularly top positions, and those results should be made public so we can snuff out the sociopaths, narcissists & psychopaths from the sensible ones. PERIOD. It should be made mandatory by national and international law courts. And furthermore, if the prospective politician has no real life experience of living in poverty, of understanding harsh environments, hunger, the history of their own country (ffs), social welfare system, hospitals, education, of understanding different cultures etc etc & all the associated nuances, and all things alike & everything in-between BLAH BLAH BLAH, then you should automatically lose any right of being put in a position of power, PERIOD. Knowledge of something means JACK SHIT without actual experience of that something. The smartest person in the room, so they say, clearly needs to leave the room NOW, as those guys have been failing us, for a very long, long time.

Shabs19, do you feel we need more women in top positions of power within our world? I'm thinking yes, personally.

As mentioned, many politicians (or poli-ticks) do not have the actual EXPERIENCE of living life below the clouds, even though they feel by looking at a few pie charts, statistics and attending a few Monday morning boardroom meetings qualifies them to do so. One problem happens and those same poli-ticks threaten to nuke everybody. Another problem, those same poli-ticks talk about shooting down folks when peaceful measures could be implemented instead. One problem with another country, and let's make up a story, get everybody scared then invade! Yippeee! Talk about a reactionary lot!?

Besides, none of that matters anyway when large corporations steam role everybody out of the way with their large wads of cash. Their total disregard for the world & nature continues to keeps us on a steady course to oblivion. "Biofuel?!?! What's that?! Oh yes, burning trees, ain't it?!?!" The power really resides with them in 2020+ and has done so for a long time...the corporations...but everybody knows that and still we do nothing. After all, what can we do, eh?

Gosh, we the people deserve a pat on the back don't we. Doing a great job we are.
I'm really tired. Signing out for today. Perhaps nothing will change. Who knows. John Lennon & Bob Marley, rest in peace.
  • #23
  • Jun 4, 2020 12:55pm Jun 4, 2020 12:55pm
Quoting Shabs19
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/02/22/5-facts-about-blacks-in-the-u-s/ https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/raceinc.html {image}
So I guess we should just equalize incarceration across ethnicities regardless of who's committing the crimes?
  • #24
  • Edited 2:10pm Jun 4, 2020 12:59pm | Edited 2:10pm
Quoting Trader555
Based on the silence of all of you, we can therefore assume each of you fall into 1 of 3 main categories: 1) You are indifferent. 2) You are scared to reply. 3) You are a racist. So which one are you?
You forgot #4 and #5

4) you don't think "systemic racism" exists.

5) you don't think "white supremacy" exists.
  • #25
  • Jun 4, 2020 1:13pm Jun 4, 2020 1:13pm
This topic is right up my alley but I think if it continues someone is gonna get their membership revoked as the whole discussion violates the code. Anyway I'm all about facts rather than feelings and emotions so this is an awesome book with the facts.

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  • #26
  • Jun 4, 2020 2:41pm Jun 4, 2020 2:41pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} So I guess we should just equalize incarceration across ethnicities regardless of who's committing the crimes?
There are only 3 on the list. Sorry. That's the level we are at in 2020 - all other options are off the table according to the protestors that have spoken. Less and less wiggle room for certain people to look for those easy exits as I previously mentioned. So 1, 2 or 3. You choose.

I dunno. Get yourself incarcerated, then report back your findings to us. A smart answer for a smart question, innit. Or maybe look at the plea bargaining system and how it disproportionately affects one section of society compared with another.

I'd like to 'not' know what's up your alley thanks.

And fine, if my membership is revoked by FF, so be it. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I'm all about heart and real life experience. Good luck with your so called facts.
  • #27
  • Edited 5:38pm Jun 4, 2020 5:25pm | Edited 5:38pm
Quoting Trader555
{quote} There are only 3 on the list. Sorry. That's the level we are at in 2020 - all other options are off the table according to the protestors that have spoken. Less and less wiggle room for certain people to look for those easy exits as I previously mentioned. So 1, 2 or 3. You choose. I dunno. Get yourself incarcerated, then report back your findings to us. A smart answer for a smart question, innit. Or maybe look at the plea bargaining system and how it disproportionately affects one section of society compared with another. I'd like to 'not'...

hi people, especially about the continent where white people came and murdered the natives. They gave them alcohol and colorful colored glass in exchange for a large patch of land. Whom they could have murdered. Later, they forced black slaves to work to steal the country. KKK criminals, murderers and pedophiles. The USA has built prosperity on the suffering of millions of people. Karma is coming back.

USA You can't make life. Return the descendants of the Indians to their country. Pay descendants of slaves for the harm you have done to their great grandparents.
if you're doing we all have results with all
  • #28
  • Jun 4, 2020 5:43pm Jun 4, 2020 5:43pm
It's very sad what people think about America. Opportunity is there for anyone who is willing to pick themselves up and go grab it. The narratives of white supremacy, white privlege, systemic racism, etc. etc. don't exist except in the minds of the leftist media, the so-called "leaders" of those they represent and in the minds of the poor souls who believe the narratives.

Facts matter. The facts do not support the narratives. Individual experiences are not generalizable to larger groups.

Davit is correct about the black-on-black situation. Just look at how many are killed in Chicago on any given weekend. But you don't hear anything about it. But if a black individual suffers at the hands of a white individual then all of America is racist and should pay for it.

Those who commit crimes are the ones going to jail no matter their ethnicity. The facts unequivocally demonstrate this.

Those who believe the narratives are doomed to self-fulfilling prophecy. If someone believes that another race is racist towards them then in certain way the so-called oppressed can be expected to act in a certain way.

Racism exists here and in the entire world and it always will. But to suggest that it is systemic in America is false and in many instances is just an excuse to behave in a certain way.

Facts matter. Opinions are just opinions. Experiences are just experiences.
  • #29
  • Jun 4, 2020 5:57pm Jun 4, 2020 5:57pm
Quoting Winston Reed
It's very sad what people think about America. Opportunity is there for anyone who is willing to pick themselves up and go grab it. The narratives of white supremacy, white privlege, systemic racism, etc. etc. don't exist except in the minds of the leftist media, the so-called "leaders" of those they represent and in the minds of the poor souls who believe the narratives. Facts matter. The facts do not support the narratives. Individual experiences are not generalizable to larger groups. Davit is correct about the black-on-black situation. Just...
t makes sense what you write rhetorically. Look at evil and harm. Silent deaths of slaves, killings of the mafi, money laundering. Someone protects these people. Sytem, US government? People are not stupid to see injustice.
if you're doing we all have results with all
  • #30
  • Jun 4, 2020 6:04pm Jun 4, 2020 6:04pm
Quoting jarfx05
{quote} t makes sense what you write rhetorically. Look at evil and harm. Silent deaths of slaves, killings of the mafi, money laundering. Someone protects these people. Sytem, US government? People are not stupid to see injustice.
Rhetoric? Look at what you just wrote. Give me a break.

You're right people are not stupid. I'm one of millions of people in the US who are not stupid and know what is really going on. US government? What about it?
  • #31
  • Jun 4, 2020 6:06pm Jun 4, 2020 6:06pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Rhetoric? Look at what you just wrote. Give me a break. You're right people are not stupid. I'm one of millions of people in the US who are not stupid and know what is really going on. US government? What about it?
All illegal mafia money returns to the system. They support politicians and corporations. What is the Vatican doing with its money? Jewst has many unanswered questions
if you're doing we all have results with all
  • #32
  • Jun 4, 2020 6:15pm Jun 4, 2020 6:15pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Rhetoric? Look at what you just wrote. Give me a break. You're right people are not stupid. I'm one of millions of people in the US who are not stupid and know what is really going on. US government? What about it?

You like Pichfork, I like PF. Maybe we will talk about trade?
if you're doing we all have results with all
  • #33
  • Jun 4, 2020 7:09pm Jun 4, 2020 7:09pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Tell me how many Black people are stopped & searched by Police without any justification and how many white people are stopped & searched by Police, based upon the population sample ? Tell me how many Bankers were put before the courts and charged & jailed for the banking fraud in 2008 and had to be bailed out by taxpayers ? I know for a fact that Iceland was the only country to jail it's bankers, so what about the US, UK & Europe the major financial centres ? Of course serious crimes by anyone should be dealt with in the strongest way possible...

wrong question, no matter if you are black or white, if you belong to the money laundering system you are out of the law
if you're doing we all have results with all
  • #34
  • Edited 1:10am Jun 5, 2020 12:37am | Edited 1:10am
Quoting Winston Reed
It's very sad what people think about America. Opportunity is there for anyone who is willing to pick themselves up and go grab it. The narratives of white supremacy, white privlege, systemic racism, etc. etc. don't exist except in the minds of the leftist media, the so-called "leaders" of those they represent and in the minds of the poor souls who believe the narratives. Facts matter. The facts do not support the narratives. Individual experiences are not generalizable to larger groups. Davit is correct about the black-on-black situation. Just...
This will be my final post on the matter. I have to get back to my greed and self interest. Shit load of money out there to grab, wouldn't you agree, Mr Winston Reed.

At least now we know your number. Phew!!! We got there in the end. Don't waste so much time, the next time. But that's the thing....my third post was actually a TEST and nobody picked up on it! Mr Winston Reed, you almost had it by your response with your '4 & 5'...you had me on the edge of my seat for a moment. Alas, your brain started to pile in a bunch of so called 'facts', then you completely missed it. You see, nobody wants to be called a NUMBER. Nobody wants to be reduced to something so insignificant & meaningless. They do that in prisons, and less than 100 years ago, in concentration camps too. So for one fleeting moment in time you have tasted what it feels like to be classed as just a number. For one moment in time, you have tasted what it feels like to be profiled. For one moment in time, you actually don't matter anymore as a human being, save for your number. Now you have a teeny tiny bit of experience of this whole nasty affair i.e what is being EXPERIENCED & FELT, in various & endless forms, by a section of society for 400+ years! And it's perpetuated on a daily basis!! So well done you! Badge in the post. Wear it with pride everyday. Because you have actually LEARNT something of value for your life and that knowledge now belongs to you. This leads me nicely to my second paragraph...

ALL KNOWLEDGE, whether it has been taught to you, by a teacher say, or it's been put it into your head by you, via a book, youtube or newspaper, for example, is SECOND HAND INFORMATION. It doesn't belong to you. It's not yours. It belongs to somebody else. The only knowledge that is yours is that which you have directly experienced through your OWN 5 senses in your OWN brain, assuming you have one. In other words, through your own 'individual' perception and experience of life. That is FIRST HAND INFORMATION. And all of that belongs to you and nobody else. That's the part that people are interested in, frankly, Mr Reed. Well, human beings that have a heart and soul anyway. But's that's all emotional gibberish, right Mr Reed?! I'll save you the time. No need to tell me again. Point taken. I'll shut up now and go back to my AU TP whilst moving my SL to BE.

Your brain is too heavy with second hand knowledge, Mr Winston Reed. I encounter too often people like you. Davit is a decent artist in my view and for that he has my respect, but only for that part. Oh wait... and the calendar thing he does is pretty good too You are two-dimensional. Plastic. A walking encyclopedia. My ears do not absorb the voices of programmed robots. They only absorb the voices of free thinking individuals that speak in terms of their own experiences and perceptions of life, 'no matter their views.'

Good day to all of you and thanks for the contributions from those bold enough to stand, even you Mr Winston Reed. I tip my hat to you, sir.

PS I'll print off your posts and have my close friend read them to his 12 year daughter. I have a feeling she will sleep much better at night now. Sigh.

PPS "Loadsamoney!!! I'll wave my wad at the geezas in the gutter!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULeDlxa3gyc
  • #35
  • Jun 5, 2020 3:58am Jun 5, 2020 3:58am
Quoting Trader555
A reality check... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT5s3MQpeuU
Wanker.
  • #36
  • Jun 5, 2020 6:26am Jun 5, 2020 6:26am
Quoting Trader555
{quote} This will be my final post on the matter. I have to get back to my greed and self interest. Shit load of money out there to grab, wouldn't you agree, Mr Winston Reed. At least now we know your number. Phew!!! We got there in the end. Don't waste so much time, the next time. But that's the thing....my third post was actually a TEST and nobody picked up on it! Mr Winston Reed, you almost had it by your response with your '4 & 5'...you had me on the edge of my seat for a moment. Alas, your brain started to pile in a bunch of so called 'facts',...

Bravo! You've couched it in a simple convenient little box that is consistent with your very small world, devoid of reality. Knowledge leads to wisdom and truth. Seems you want none of it. Better to live with the safety of your experiences no matter how falsely representative of overall reality they are.
You started this false narrative and now you want to end it which is usually what happens when people like you see their world view crumbling around them. Didn't get the answers you wanted with your convenient poll (another false assessment of society) so take your ball and go home. Later Mr. Trader555!
  • #37
  • Jun 5, 2020 6:29am Jun 5, 2020 6:29am
Quoting jarfx05
{quote} You like Pichfork, I like PF. Maybe we will talk about trade?
Maybe but I doubt it
  • #38
  • Jun 5, 2020 6:33am Jun 5, 2020 6:33am
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  • Jun 5, 2020 6:36am Jun 5, 2020 6:36am
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  • #40
  • Edited 6:52am Jun 6, 2020 6:13am | Edited 6:52am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Bravo! You've couched it in a simple convenient little box that is consistent with your very small world, devoid of reality. Knowledge leads to wisdom and truth. Seems you want none of it. Better to live with the safety of your experiences no matter how falsely representative of overall reality they are. You started this false narrative and now you want to end it which is usually what happens when people like you see their world view crumbling around them. Didn't get the answers you wanted with your convenient poll (another false assessment...
...'I know that I know nothing' - Plato on Socrates.

Your post was mildly interesting so I had to reply. I really tried not to. I did. I promise

Let's put you & others like you in a single desperate 'real world' situation and see how you fare with all that 'great knowledge' you've acquired since day dot. Let's see if your knowledge saves you when you feel the weight of an officer's knee on your neck, cutting off the oxygen to your brain and you feel your life slipping away from your body until it's too late, simply because of the colour of your skin. Good luck, Mr Reed. I'm sure you'd do marvelously well in a situation like that, in the unfortunate event that that should ever happen to you, which it probably won't in all probability, based on your financial position, background, current status in society and privilege, I surmise or am I judging you like a book by its cover? Food for thought, eh? Quite a paradox we all are as a species (ffs).

I think you should shelve some of those books you've been reading that are 'right up your alley', so you say, and read something a little less poopy. Try some Gurdjieff. I dare you.

I think jarfx05 was onto something. I hope humanity's last divide, which we can all war over (before we eventually find peace), is by categorizing people into Wise and stupid. We'll put you and others like you in the stupid box, where you belong, methinks. After all, you'll have Edge540 to keep you company, so it'll be fun for you! Very wise, he is, clearly. You'll have lots and lots to discuss, I'm sure.

Happy protests, everybody!
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