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  • #8,401
  • May 1, 2020 1:48pm May 1, 2020 1:48pm
Quoting nikosk0
i would like to say that SAD works better on exotics and majors. if you find 2 majors one at the supply and the other at the demand, then their cross, the minor pair could create a parabolic trend and would be the best thing to trade. gu today is at daily demand zone uc just reached iths supply gc could be explosive. i am in all 3 trades btw risk split in 3. gu scaled in 2 times already via 15m sad all could be explosive or none. risk is divided. average win should be 4r at least. if i am corect and patient on gu i could get a lot more, like 20r...
Overall GBPUSD bearish.
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  • #8,402
  • May 1, 2020 6:18pm May 1, 2020 6:18pm
Heads up stock traders Ticker ARWR is currently residing in weekly supply, knowing that we can agree that we want to
look for shorts, we go into ITF to get out break of ML, strong move away, we now go to our entry and
markup our zone and set alerts and await the arrival of prices.
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  • #8,403
  • May 1, 2020 6:20pm May 1, 2020 6:20pm
Here i see an oppurtinity on ticker CAT (W-D-4). Prices are reacting off weekly DBD supply,
Prices broke the upward ML on the ITF, therefore giving us the ability to mark out a supply zone.
we also removed a demand zone from the move away giving us confirmation that the sellers are starting to take control.
I mapped out the 4hr zone i will be taking short. Stop loss is at 130.90
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  • #8,404
  • May 2, 2020 12:36pm May 2, 2020 12:36pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} Overall GBPUSD bearish. {image}
yeap i agree, i have the same setup . i just confused supply with demand on writing. i am also short 3 positions
offering my system to copy trade. check my link
  • #8,405
  • May 4, 2020 5:04am May 4, 2020 5:04am
Hi All, My analysis on EUR/GBP, might be a good long on the 1 hour chart set and forget or even a 15M confirmation zone inside the 1 hour. 2nd option is to wait for the confirmation on the 5M timeframe. Let me know your thoughts.

4H

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1H

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  • #8,406
  • May 4, 2020 6:08am May 4, 2020 6:08am
Quoting DavidKl
Hi All, My analysis on EUR/GBP, might be a good long on the 1 hour chart set and forget or even a 15M confirmation zone inside the 1 hour. 2nd option is to wait for the confirmation on the 5M timeframe. Let me know your thoughts. 4H {image} 1H {image} 15M {image}
Just an update to the above.

Hi All, it looks like the price shot up on the hourly. it might create a 4 Hour Demand and the 1 HOUR zone will be inside the 4 hour.
  • #8,407
  • May 4, 2020 6:14am May 4, 2020 6:14am
just another analysis on my part. Happy Trading all.

This is GBPCAD

4H

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  • #8,408
  • May 4, 2020 7:41am May 4, 2020 7:41am
The outcome of the 1H on GBPCAD

Like always I stepped out for a short walk and didn't get the order set. LOL.

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  • #8,409
  • May 4, 2020 7:59am May 4, 2020 7:59am
Quoting DavidKl
The outcome of the 1H on GBPCAD Like always I stepped out for a short walk and didn't get the order set. LOL. {image}
Actually, there might be a 2nd entry possible as the first test of the 1 hour zone was very shallow.

just a thought.
  • #8,410
  • May 4, 2020 10:29am May 4, 2020 10:29am
Quoting DavidKl
Hi All, My analysis on EUR/GBP, might be a good long on the 1 hour chart set and forget or even a 15M confirmation zone inside the 1 hour. 2nd option is to wait for the confirmation on the 5M timeframe. Let me know your thoughts. 4H {image} 1H {image} 15M {image}
Update: I'm long in this trade. Will post the result later after the trade is closed.
  • #8,411
  • May 4, 2020 12:47pm May 4, 2020 12:47pm
Quoting Denden2012
I wanted to follow up on my EUR/AUD trade. TP has been hit with a +334 pips. This trade constitutes the biggest pip win in my short trading history. To celebrate I am going to have my morning coffee now. {image}
Kindly share the indicator on your MT4 that plots out the DZ and SZ with Mon TL. Will help me in my Curve Analysis into my entry TF trade. Thank you
  • #8,412
  • May 4, 2020 1:45pm May 4, 2020 1:45pm
Hi Guys,

anyone looking at the EURCHF pair? our price now is already in the DZ of daily and Weekly, can we hope the downtrend in the daily reverse?

https://www.tradingview.com/x/d0mIso6w/
  • #8,413
  • May 4, 2020 2:41pm May 4, 2020 2:41pm
Quoting DavidKl
just another analysis on my part. Happy Trading all. This is GBPCAD 4H {image} 1H {image} 15M {image}
Made a 1:1 to that trade. Still learning as I think my stop was too wide on that trade. I put it behind the 2nd 15m zone. I also got stopped out on the EURGBP Trade.

4H, 1H, 15M good trade.

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EURGBP Failed Trade. Could someone help me to understand why it went wrong on me? Was the 4H overextended? I'd be great to hear anyone's feedback.

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  • #8,414
  • May 5, 2020 5:35am May 5, 2020 5:35am
Hi Akt and Other Traders.

I got a question for you. Maybe you can help me with my dilemma.

I am trading H4, H1 and 15M sequence. my win to loss ration is currently 60/40 which is not bad, but I would like to increase this of course. The majority of the time I am getting stopped out is because I got a problem with the H4 chart. My question is about the trend on the 4H. please see the below:

1. H4 - when you are all looking at 4H chart as your curve chart. Do you consider the trend on that time frame or the direction is determined by the Zone in Control?

The scenario that confuses me is when you have a 4H Supply in Control but your 4H chart is in the uptrend.

a.) would you only trade to the short side on shorter timeframes because your on your curve chart price is reacting of the supply that's in control?

or

b.) you wait for the 4H demand to be hit first becuase the trend is up on the 4H and it's safer to do it that way?

Thanks in advance.

David.
  • #8,415
  • May 6, 2020 12:15am May 6, 2020 12:15am
Quoting DavidKl
Hi Akt and Other Traders. I got a question for you. Maybe you can help me with my dilemma. I am trading H4, H1 and 15M sequence. my win to loss ration is currently 60/40 which is not bad, but I would like to increase this of course. The majority of the time I am getting stopped out is because I got a problem with the H4 chart. My question is about the trend on the 4H. please see the below: 1. H4 - when you are all looking at 4H chart as your curve chart. Do you consider the trend on that time frame or the direction is determined by the Zone in Control?...
Hello David,
Greetings!

I assume that your biggest time frame is 4Hr. As it is a curve time frame, we draw valid S & D zones on 4HR chart.

Your question: 1. H4 - when you are all looking at 4H chart as your curve chart. Do you consider the trend on that time frame or the direction is determined by the Zone in Control? The scenario that confuses me is when you have a 4H Supply in Control but your 4H chart is in the uptrend.

I consider trend on curve time frame. If a zone is in line with trend, we may use set-and-forget trade.

If a zone is against the trend, for example: The price is at 4Hr supply, but trend is still up. it is sure that I will NOT consider stepping on the long side as the price is at its Supply Zone unless the holding supply zone is broken. Maybe it's time to wait for the price to show us some clues what to do next.


Your question:
a.) would you only trade to the short side on shorter timeframes because your on your curve chart price is reacting of the supply that's in control?

or

b.) you wait for the 4H demand to be hit first becuase the trend is up on the 4H and it's safer to do it that way?

4Hr trend is up, price is at supply. To be on the short side, it's time to wait for the price to show some evidence of sellers. To have a proper profit margin, I would look at price structure because I wouldn't want to have demand zone very near to current supply zone.

To go long in this situation, i would wait for price to break current holding supply zone first.

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I hope it helps and I believe AKT and other traders will contribute to your question too.

Regards,
Thiha
  • #8,416
  • May 6, 2020 4:50am May 6, 2020 4:50am
Quoting thiha
{quote} Hello David, Greetings! I assume that your biggest time frame is 4Hr. As it is a curve time frame, we draw valid S & D zones on 4HR chart. Your question: 1. H4 - when you are all looking at 4H chart as your curve chart. Do you consider the trend on that time frame or the direction is determined by the Zone in Control? The scenario that confuses me is when you have a 4H Supply in Control but your 4H chart is in the uptrend. I consider trend on curve time frame. If a zone is in line with trend, we may use set-and-forget trade. If a zone is...
Hi Thiha, that makes sense. I am trying to make sense of all the rules as Sam Seiden has different rules compared to Alfonso Moreno. I know AKT trading is a mix of two really, but even with AKT he has some his own twists on the whole S and D trading.

Also, I got a quick question ( I asked it earlier in the forum, but didn't get a response ). Do engulf candles act as a supply and demand zones by themselves, or you still have to meet the 2:1 departure rule?

Thank you

David.
  • #8,417
  • May 6, 2020 7:33am May 6, 2020 7:33am
Quoting DavidKl
{quote} Hi Thiha, that makes sense. I am trying to make sense of all the rules as Sam Seiden has different rules compared to Alfonso Moreno. I know AKT trading is a mix of two really, but even with AKT he has some his own twists on the whole S and D trading. Also, I got a quick question ( I asked it earlier in the forum, but didn't get a response ). Do engulf candles act as a supply and demand zones by themselves, or you still have to meet the 2:1 departure rule? Thank you David.
Hello DavidK1

Always best to meet the minimum standards for distance moved from a zone, ie the 2:1. Anythin less is just less probability.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,418
  • May 6, 2020 7:39am May 6, 2020 7:39am
Quoting thiha
{quote} Hello David, Greetings! I assume that your biggest time frame is 4Hr. As it is a curve time frame, we draw valid S & D zones on 4HR chart. Your question: 1. H4 - when you are all looking at 4H chart as your curve chart. Do you consider the trend on that time frame or the direction is determined by the Zone in Control? The scenario that confuses me is when you have a 4H Supply in Control but your 4H chart is in the uptrend. I consider trend on curve time frame. If a zone is in line with trend, we may use set-and-forget trade. If a zone is...
Hello thiha

Thank you for this.
Lessons well learnt.

To buttress your correct responses, DavidK1

Your scenario - price is in 4hr supply in a 4hr uptrend. Immediately, the information being communicated by that scenario is that for prices to have gone into an uptrend, supply zones had to have been removed and demand zones have taken over.

The question is then, what is the most appropriate action?

As you know, the moethodology does not allow for buying whilst prices are at supply, on any timeframe. So that option is out the window.
The option to buy when/if prices pull back to 4hr demand is the higher probability option.
Selling at 4hr supply that prices are at is not impossible but is not only lower probability compared to the first option, it will also require more skill and experience

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,419
  • May 6, 2020 7:53am May 6, 2020 7:53am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello DavidK1 Always best to meet the minimum standards for distance moved from a zone, ie the 2:1. Anythin less is just less probability. best wishes
Hi Akt, thank you for 2 of your responses to my questions, that helps a lot. The hardest part for me is to stay disciplined enough to follow all the rules. That's why I post those questions here all the time and I appreciate the response. Sometimes you just need the clarification on 1 or 2 things and the rest just follows. Funny enough I don't have a problem with more advanced stuff, it's the basics where I make the mistake (it might sounds stupid, but that's true).
  • #8,420
  • May 6, 2020 7:59am May 6, 2020 7:59am
Quoting DavidKl
{quote} Hi Akt, thank you for 2 of your responses to my questions, that helps a lot. The hardest part for me is to stay disciplined enough to follow all the rules. That's why I post those questions here all the time and I appreciate the response. Sometimes you just need the clarification on 1 or 2 things and the rest just follows. Funny enough I don't have a problem with more advanced stuff, it's the basics where I make the mistake (it might sounds stupid, but that's true).
No worries DavidK1

You are welcome.
Just stay the course, the foundations are critical to get. Everything else after that, as they say, is gravy.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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