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  • #8,361
  • Apr 23, 2020 10:00am Apr 23, 2020 10:00am
Trade Review - 1 - EURAUD (Long) - Loss

Price inside Weekly Demand Zone
Weekly trend - Up
4H Confirmation inside W DZ
Long position at 4H DBR DZ
stop loss hit as it was placed slightly below distal line

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Comments are welcome
  • #8,362
  • Apr 23, 2020 11:14am Apr 23, 2020 11:14am
Quoting rhlroger10
Trade Review - 1 - EURAUD (Long) - Loss Price inside Weekly Demand Zone Weekly trend - Up 4H Confirmation inside W DZ Long position at 4H DBR DZ stop loss hit as it was placed slightly below distal line {image} {image} Comments are welcome
I would have also included previous zone, because of the engulfing structure. Green lines would be targets to go for.
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  • #8,363
  • Apr 23, 2020 11:21am Apr 23, 2020 11:21am
Short off Hourly supply.
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  • #8,364
  • Apr 23, 2020 12:20pm Apr 23, 2020 12:20pm
Quoting cisco92111
{quote} Option A is what i would consider a change in direction, especially if it happens inside a higher timeframe zone.
Thank you for your reply Cisco. It helps a lot.
  • #8,365
  • Apr 23, 2020 12:37pm Apr 23, 2020 12:37pm
Quoting cisco92111
{quote} I would have also included previous zone, because of the engulfing structure. Green lines would be targets to go for. {image}
Thanks cisco
  • #8,366
  • Edited 2:08pm Apr 23, 2020 1:53pm | Edited 2:08pm
1m break-out trade
based on 1hr break-out
based on 4hr sad
targeting daily sad
based on monthly sad
textbook trades

this is how to combine timeframes with sad and price action
1% risk gave me +10% this week on the trades show in 1hr tf
0.2% short gave me +0.6%
the current 1m entry is 0.2% with rr i dont know more than 10 for sure only if it reaches the 5m highs it can go to 4hr highs or daily highs i dont know how much i am gonna let it run or keep on getting in n out of it

i hade 2 positions failed at break-even to start this with (missed my tp1 for some pips and hit my break-even stop loss at the exact spot where it reversed, talk about less than a pip, that made me really mad....)

but from then on, textbook
dont know if you can see the reasoning and the timeframe alignnment in the screenshots.

hope you can learn something from this.

this is why you only need to find the perfect setups (for me this was perfect, to other people its not, everyoone has his way of trading), anything less than perfect is not good enough to trade it

1-2-3 trades like this, as many as the market can give, build a plan around them and make shit loads of money. you dont need more trades. 10rr?20rr? 50rr? yeah you can get that. just do some proper planning and management if you trust your strategy

stay green! happy pipping
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offering my system to copy trade. check my link
  • #8,367
  • Apr 23, 2020 6:14pm Apr 23, 2020 6:14pm
Hi everyone,
Thoughts on this potential NZDUSD short?

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Never know if price may reach there but if it does I intend on going short at the supply zones highlighted.
They are also fresh zones.

D.B
  • #8,368
  • Apr 23, 2020 6:25pm Apr 23, 2020 6:25pm
Quoting rhlroger10
Trade Review - 1 - EURAUD (Long) - Loss Price inside Weekly Demand Zone Weekly trend - Up 4H Confirmation inside W DZ Long position at 4H DBR DZ stop loss hit as it was placed slightly below distal line {image} {image} Comments are welcome
So, you got stopped out before the trade could take off?
If yes, do you think your SL was too small or are you are you happy with how you sized your SL.

Just constructive questions.

D.B
  • #8,369
  • Edited Apr 24, 2020 3:42am Apr 23, 2020 6:43pm | Edited Apr 24, 2020 3:42am
For the week so far I have closed 4 trades.

The first 3 were losers and the 4th was a winner.
So my weekly profit is essentially at break-even.

However, I've been working on my risk management and following my rules so I only take a trade if the R:R is >= 1:3.
The one winner which hit TP covered all my losses.

Just wanted to share this personal progress i've been making as before, after 3 losses, I might've abandoned my rules and ended up losing more money.

Peace,
D.B
  • #8,370
  • Apr 24, 2020 3:22am Apr 24, 2020 3:22am
Quoting DavidKl
Hi. I wondered if any of the SD traders could help me out with the Trendlines and trend. I know it's a simple question but I need to fully understand it. Obviously I know when we have a downtrend or an uptrend by being able to draw the trendline and seeing the opposing zones being removed. However, when we have this downtrend and I see that the trendline is broken but it hasn't removed the opposing zone we are in consolidation stage. My question is when do we consider that this downtrend is now an uptrend in that particular time frame? A) Do we...
Hello DavidKl
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  • #8,371
  • Apr 24, 2020 3:44am Apr 24, 2020 3:44am
Quoting ykn4f
{quote} Hello DavidKl {image} {image}
Useful to me as well, thank you, ykn4f.

D.B
  • #8,372
  • Apr 24, 2020 4:35am Apr 24, 2020 4:35am
Quoting D.B
{quote} So, you got stopped out before the trade could take off? If yes, do you think your SL was too small or are you are you happy with how you sized your SL. Just constructive questions. D.B
Yes.
Actually, i have observed that if structure of a zone is clean (not wicky) in such type of locations, then it gets respected....also, if i had included previous zone for a structural SL, my new zone would have become 1.5x...that's why, my SL was tight.

there was a similar setup in AUDCHF :-

Price inside Weekly Supply Zone
Weekly trend - Down
4H Confirmation inside W SZ

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Both the zones were formed at the same time and also, prices reached those zones at the same time...AUDCHF worked well...but EURAUD didn't...it was unfortunate that i missed the AUDCHF trade.

Comments are welcome
  • #8,373
  • Apr 24, 2020 6:17am Apr 24, 2020 6:17am
Quoting rhlroger10
{quote} Yes. Actually, i have observed that if structure of a zone is clean (not wicky) in such type of locations, then it gets respected....also, if i had included previous zone for a structural SL, my new zone would have become 1.5x...that's why, my SL was tight. there was a similar setup in AUDCHF :- Price inside Weekly Supply Zone Weekly trend - Down 4H Confirmation inside W SZ {image} Both the zones were formed at the same time and also, prices reached those zones at the same time...AUDCHF worked well...but EURAUD didn't...it was unfortunate...
I see, and I agree with you that clean zones tend to work out better compared to wicky zones.
I think the S.A.D reason for that would be that the orders to be filled at that price level far outweigh the buyers/sellers currently moving price and thus price makes a sharp, quick move away.

Regarding the setup, it all makes sense but I never personally noticed that EURAUD and AUDCHF moved so similarly.

D.B
  • #8,374
  • Apr 24, 2020 6:26am Apr 24, 2020 6:26am
Here is a USDCAD Trade I got stopped out of early before market moved just as I had predicted.

My reasons for taking this short was that the market being in a downtrend with demand far away, so I was looking for shorts and price was revisiting a fresh supply zone which a generated a big move away.

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Can't catch them all.

D.B
  • #8,375
  • Apr 27, 2020 7:06am Apr 27, 2020 7:06am
Quoting Nii.N
Hello, when we're the beginning of a uptrend, and we have 2-3 supply above, what we should do, because this counfuse me alot, can an trader who uses supply demand with experience answer? Thanks. {image}
Hello Nii.N
Welcome to T.I.O.F
Good to have you join the conversation.

To answer your question, once a trend changes, it is usually best to look to a higher timeframe level to short, rather than the levels you highlighted in your schematic.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,376
  • Apr 27, 2020 7:08am Apr 27, 2020 7:08am
Quoting D.B
Here is a USDCAD Trade I got stopped out of early before market moved just as I had predicted. My reasons for taking this short was that the market being in a downtrend with demand far away, so I was looking for shorts and price was revisiting a fresh supply zone which a generated a big move away. {image} Can't catch them all. D.B
Hello DB
Thank you for sharing your trade.
You are correct, we can't get them all, nor shoudl we expect to. Otherwise it would not really be speculation which is what we are doing after all.

If i may, i think it might be worth keeping a note of how far such trades move against you to see if this becomes a theme, in which case it may help to make adjustments to your stops/buffer amounts to help keep you from being unnecessarily stopped out

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,377
  • Apr 27, 2020 7:10am Apr 27, 2020 7:10am
Quoting ykn4f
{quote} Hello DavidKl {image} {image}
Many thanks for sharing this ykn4f.
A walking archive

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,378
  • Apr 27, 2020 7:54am Apr 27, 2020 7:54am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello DB Thank you for sharing your trade. You are correct, we can't get them all, nor shoudl we expect to. Otherwise it would not really be speculation which is what we are doing after all. If i may, i think it might be worth keeping a note of how far such trades move against you to see if this becomes a theme, in which case it may help to make adjustments to your stops/buffer amounts to help keep you from being unnecessarily stopped out best wishes
Thank you, the tip you gave is much appreciated

D.B
  • #8,379
  • Apr 28, 2020 3:43am Apr 28, 2020 3:43am
Hey Akt what an awesome Thread big up to you,went through it since I'm new to S&D trading,well I know you might have answered the questions I'm about to ask but thought I should anyway.....My first is you said a zone becomes a zone after it takes out an opposing zone or rather breaks a momentum TL,you further said we have a Zone and we have buying/selling areas, that's a bit confusing to me,so let's just say we have a Demanding buying area it hasn't took out any zone or broke a momentum TL then prices just decides 2 turn before reaching a HTF zone and breaks the momentum TL,coming down when breaks takes out those buying area do we classify those who took out those buying ares as Supply now.....Hope I make sense thanks
  • #8,380
  • Edited 8:17am Apr 28, 2020 7:07am | Edited 8:17am
Quoting ykn4f
{quote} Hello DavidKl {image} {image}
Hi YKN4F, thank you for your reply. That helped a lot, I think I am getting a little confused with how Alfonso Moreno is using the trendlines, as he was considering a change of trend when the trendline is broken and 1 supply zone is removed. I think this is more viable when looking at the confirmation trades. Also, maybe you or AKT could help me out with understanding the multiple time frame analysis and the sequence you all use when entering a trade. It might be a newbie question, but I'd appreciate as it would help me to lay down the foundations.

If per say, I'd decide to trade a combination of Daily Curve/4H Trend/1H entry. The way I understand it is:

Daily Curve - Price already reacted form the daily demand and it's already under way.
4H - I am looking at the trend and is up, so it's in line with the Daily picture. My question here is: Is the 4H time frame purely for trend direction or do we also draw supply and demand zones in there and we will use that as a target for the 1 hour?
1H - So this is my execution TF. Do I execute in this time frame on the fresh 1H demand zones in line with 4H trend only? Or am I only allowed to execute on the 1H timeframe when the 4 Hour Demand is hit?

If anyone could give me some insights on how to execute this sequence I'd appreciate.
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