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  • #2,001
  • Apr 14, 2020 5:30am Apr 14, 2020 5:30am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} yes Karuner, I start thinking same idea, a potential cyber attack. After 4 days suspension for Easter and only after 25 min after official 9CET XETRA start time...... It would has been better to don't start at all today in Frankfurt!!! Now there are orders and positions in place, US ready to start their trading.... a little big mess in place!
i wonder why the brokers don't give prices for their CFDs, because their market makers should still operating.. they are not dependent on frankfurt, as other Dax-"Indikationen" (e.g. L+S) also have current prices
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  • #2,002
  • Apr 14, 2020 5:37am Apr 14, 2020 5:37am
Quoting karuner
{quote} i wonder why the brokers don't give prices for their CFDs, because their market makers should still operating.. they are not dependent on frankfurt, as other Dax-"Indikationen" (e.g. L+S) also have current prices {image}
And now we'll watch US Futures start their real dances next minutes with JPM and J&J earnings in sight. Here below waited numbers.....
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  • #2,003
  • Apr 14, 2020 5:42am Apr 14, 2020 5:42am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} yes Karuner, I start thinking same idea, a potential cyber attack. After 4 days suspension for Easter and only after 25 min after official 9CET XETRA start time...... It would has been better to don't start at all today in Frankfurt!!! Now there are orders and positions in place, US ready to start their trading.... a little big mess in place!
During the flash crash, orders below some level were automatically reversed later as if they did not occur. Not saying this will happen here off course.
There's a high level of correlation between the US and EU markets during US trading session. Pro traders will be using the US mkt for expressing their views on DAX and for hedging.
Now, from a technical point of view, 4 days nobody to look at the systems (well, the least experienced sysops only available). One could speculate they were solidly hacked in this period. Then today the hackers could have used their "backdoors" to place orders or do some other evil in the market. I imagine
the market was locked down until investigation is carried out to prevent further damage. I can't see any other reason for such a prolonged down time. Technically they could restart operations on backup servers/systems in a much shorter time, because they're planning these things around a max downtime allowed, perhaps 0 downtime allowed.
If there are specialists on the floor, I bet they're not dealing much. Perhaps only with huge institutional clients. The amount of volume they could move in this uncertain times is ridiculous so basically, there's no trading and no prices.
On reopening, the DAX shall reopen on the level that corresponds to the level of the US market as if nothing has happened. Yes, there will be huge volatility for the first seconds/minutes until the trade algos come online and stabilize.
I'm not worried. This is just an annoyance that we can weather with hedges and trading other markets.
  • #2,004
  • Apr 14, 2020 5:48am Apr 14, 2020 5:48am
Take a chill pill guys, I can make a movie outta the theories evolving here, lol!!
on a postive roll...
  • #2,005
  • Apr 14, 2020 5:59am Apr 14, 2020 5:59am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} And now we'll watch US Futures start their real dances next minutes with JPM and J&J earnings in sight. Here below waited numbers..... {image} {image}
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and pre market US BigBanks shares
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  • #2,006
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:03am Apr 14, 2020 6:03am
Quoting Rmg
Take a chill pill guys, I can make a movie outta the theories evolving here, lol!!
Which movie you will choose Rmg ......
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  • #2,007
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:04am Apr 14, 2020 6:04am
WATCH OUT : EUREX seems on pre-open mode right now!!!
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  • #2,008
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:05am Apr 14, 2020 6:05am
Quoting Brixen
WATCH OUT : EUREX seems on pre-open mode right now!!!
I'm trying to place some FDXM buy orders 1065..zone and below .
I have always a couple orders 550 and 490.
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  • #2,009
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:06am Apr 14, 2020 6:06am
Quoting Rmg
Take a chill pill guys, I can make a movie outta the theories evolving here, lol!!
That's exactly what we're doing. Chilling out with small talk
  • #2,010
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:12am Apr 14, 2020 6:12am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} I'm trying to place some FDXM buy orders 1065..zone and below . I have always a couple orders 550 and 490.
No way! No change, all blocked so far.
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  • #2,011
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:20am Apr 14, 2020 6:20am
Dow and Dax move idendicaly almost.
As of now sideways may drift lower when Ny opens accumulate then spike up or take out Y high straightway.
Oh i will choose "The big short."
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on a postive roll...
  • #2,012
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:28am Apr 14, 2020 6:28am
CQG WebAPI | User message | Error: The Eurex Exchange have sent following update:
(MIC:XEUR) Trading will resume according to the following times
13:15 CEST Pre Trading Instrument State BOOK
13:45 CEST Trading Instrument State OPENING AUCTION, with a minimum duration of 5 Minutes
13:50 CEST Trading Instrument State CONTINUOUS Please check your Non Persistent orders and be aware that there could be delays for some products due to manual state changes. | Source: Customer Service | 2020-04-14 12:25:55.093 *
on a postive roll...
  • #2,013
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:33am Apr 14, 2020 6:33am
Quoting Rmg
CQG WebAPI | User message | Error: The Eurex Exchange have sent following update: (MIC:XEUR) Trading will resume according to the following times 13:15 CEST Pre Trading Instrument State BOOK 13:45 CEST Trading Instrument State OPENING AUCTION, with a minimum duration of 5 Minutes 13:50 CEST Trading Instrument State CONTINUOUS Please check your Non Persistent orders and be aware that there could be delays for some products due to manual state changes. | Source: Customer Service | 2020-04-14 12:25:55.093 *
Just checked, but I'm not able to place or delete any order, both DAX XETRA CFDs and FDXM Eurex
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  • #2,014
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:33am Apr 14, 2020 6:33am
This is the official statement:

Trading in the Xetra market (MIC: XETR) will be resumed. Please login to Xetra. Non-persistent Orders and/or Quotes were deleted.

The restart procedure will take place with the following trading schedule:

For all instruments (in CET / CEST) :
Start Pretrading not before 13:20
Earliest start of Auction Call Phase: 13:50
Minimum duration of Auction Call Phase is 15 minutes.
  • #2,015
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:37am Apr 14, 2020 6:37am
but CFD trading/orders do not lie at xetra. they stay at the cfd-broker/market maker and normally don't reach the "real" markets
  • #2,016
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:40am Apr 14, 2020 6:40am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} I have 2 DAX CFDs 682
In any case I hold my small position from 682 and I will wait when all seem OK for a close around 750/770 or I will add 590 and slight above zone.

FDXM are a ? for me now, so better wait after the re.start of ordinary trading.
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  • #2,017
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:42am Apr 14, 2020 6:42am
Quoting Brixen
{quote} In any case I hold my small position from 682 and I will wait when all seem OK for a close around 750/770 or I will add 590 and slight above zone. FDXM are a ? for me now, so better wait after the re.start of ordinary trading.
710 at L&S currently..
https://www.ls-tc.de/de/index/lus-dax
  • #2,018
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:43am Apr 14, 2020 6:43am
Quoting karuner
but CFD trading/orders do not lie at xetra. they stay at the cfd-broker/market maker and normally don't reach the "real" markets
It's true in principle, but many brokers are waitng XETRA green light to have roughly same values.
Even US Futures are waiting for Frankfurt data, they had only a 0,3% range last 7 hours, compared to 3% range in a semi-holiday as yd!!!
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  • #2,019
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:44am Apr 14, 2020 6:44am
Quoting karuner
{quote} 710 at L&S currently.. https://www.ls-tc.de/de/index/lus-dax
C'mon up and up again
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  • #2,020
  • Apr 14, 2020 6:46am Apr 14, 2020 6:46am
Quoting karuner
but CFD trading/orders do not lie at xetra. they stay at the cfd-broker/market maker and normally don't reach the "real" markets
The brokers are not holding the bag. They hedge your orders in the market. no market, no hedge, no cfd.
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