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  • #8,261
  • Mar 10, 2020 5:42am Mar 10, 2020 5:42am
Quoting Mf-Trader
Hi Everyone, I have been trading on and off and losing money. Read a few books, watched numerous videos but I still don’t have a concrete strategy. Now I am only trading using a demo account, after blowing real accounts a few times. I tried to quit trading thinking there is no way to make money but always get excited when I see charts and try to look for patterns. I tried to follow many so called gurus but could never understand how they came up with their strategies and in my experience it rarely worked. I would love to day trade but at this time...
You can learn it here from members especially Akt or Alfonso/ Go on youtube look up Magic Trader Fx, watch all the videos from beginning. It helps, and practice for a while. That is the way to learn supply/demand strategy.
  • #8,262
  • Mar 10, 2020 1:23pm Mar 10, 2020 1:23pm
Quoting Mf-Trader
Hi Everyone, I have been trading on and off and losing money. Read a few books, watched numerous videos but I still don’t have a concrete strategy. Now I am only trading using a demo account, after blowing real accounts a few times. I tried to quit trading thinking there is no way to make money but always get excited when I see charts and try to look for patterns. I tried to follow many so called gurus but could never understand how they came up with their strategies and in my experience it rarely worked. I would love to day trade but at this time...
I'll offer some thoughts to get you started. Firstly before you consider spending a great deal of time going through post after post or going online and driving yourself crazy with information that you simply will not understand or be able to apply yet start with a simple exercise and continue with this for a month so you can see price moving daily and get a feel for that.

Pick a pair it really doesn't matter which and watch this on the daily chart ONLY for a whole month. At the end of each trading day see how the daily candle formed and where you think it is likely to be going. Don't try and guess just watch each day and then forget about the chart until the end of the next day when you will be looking again.

This will firstly slow you down and get you focused on a higher time frame instead of the lower time frame crap most traders look at when they are beginning and or struggling. Secondly this exercise will teach you to see where price is a. going b. moving away from c. staying if its consolidating and d. reacting to.

I'll check back at the end of the month

LSP
  • #8,263
  • Mar 15, 2020 4:50pm Mar 15, 2020 4:50pm
Hello all,

First post but have been lurking in the shadows for a while. Information in here is invaluable, thanks to AKT and everyone else for helping me grow! I took a trade on NZDUSD last week that I wanted to share with the group. This was on the W-D-4h

W - Touched into weekly supply so started looking for shorts
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D - Same happened on the daily, drilled down to the 4h to look for an entry as I missed it here.
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4h - Entered on this 4h supply zone, realised I should've included the candle to the left in the zone so was lucky not to get stopped out. Took my profit at just under 4:1. Feedback welcomed
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  • #8,264
  • Mar 16, 2020 2:54pm Mar 16, 2020 2:54pm
Quoting Gervais
Hello all, First post but have been lurking in the shadows for a while. Information in here is invaluable, thanks to AKT and everyone else for helping me grow! I took a trade on NZDUSD last week that I wanted to share with the group. This was on the W-D-4h W - Touched into weekly supply so started looking for shorts {image} D - Same happened on the daily, drilled down to the 4h to look for an entry as I missed it here. {image} 4h - Entered on this 4h supply zone, realised I should've included the candle to the left in the zone so was lucky not to...
Hi Gervais, now I see what you meant, it was not S&F, but confirmation after reaction from weekly supply
Good job
  • #8,265
  • Mar 18, 2020 9:24am Mar 18, 2020 9:24am
Quoting Gervais
Hello all, First post but have been lurking in the shadows for a while. Information in here is invaluable, thanks to AKT and everyone else for helping me grow! I took a trade on NZDUSD last week that I wanted to share with the group. This was on the W-D-4h W - Touched into weekly supply so started looking for shorts {image} D - Same happened on the daily, drilled down to the 4h to look for an entry as I missed it here. {image} 4h - Entered on this 4h supply zone, realised I should've included the candle to the left in the zone so was lucky not to...

i like this forum, some real stuff here with order flow.

I took the same trade as you and closed out 2/3

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another trade i took on gbpjpy and closed out 2/3rd so far on 1 min

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Indicators only Indicate, Price action dictates.
  • #8,266
  • Mar 18, 2020 12:56pm Mar 18, 2020 12:56pm
Quoting Gervais
Hello all, First post but have been lurking in the shadows for a while. Information in here is invaluable, thanks to AKT and everyone else for helping me grow! I took a trade on NZDUSD last week that I wanted to share with the group. This was on the W-D-4h W - Touched into weekly supply so started looking for shorts {image} D - Same happened on the daily, drilled down to the 4h to look for an entry as I missed it here. {image} 4h - Entered on this 4h supply zone, realised I should've included the candle to the left in the zone so was lucky not to...

closed out my short as it hit my target tho i was thinking of holding it lower to 0.5060. to late now.

trade with 2 or 3 lots, leave one to linger. you never know how far it will go

just a thought
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Indicators only Indicate, Price action dictates.
  • #8,267
  • Mar 19, 2020 1:23am Mar 19, 2020 1:23am
Quoting joe123
{quote} closed out my short as it hit my target tho i was thinking of holding it lower to 0.5060. to late now. trade with 2 or 3 lots, leave one to linger. you never know how far it will go just a thought {image}
Nice one! Yeah, I think I might have to add that to my trading plan.
  • #8,268
  • Mar 19, 2020 1:42pm Mar 19, 2020 1:42pm
Quoting tuantm
Hi AKT Where are you ? How are you ? Do you have a cough and fever ? Correct me, please.
Hello tuantm
Thank you to you and all who have been in touch with me

I am well but i can't say the same for my colleagues.
I am involved in helping in the fight against the virus.
We have been planning for this for weeks and are inundated with patients
So please forgive me for not being around.
It is now a big war we as medics are fighting and all hands are on deck. We will win but it will take time and unfortunately we may lose some.

Stay safe good people. The markets are not going anywhere and for now it is hard for me to post with everything going on.
I will be back from time to time over the next few weeks and fully again in the very near future but when things are not as bad..

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,269
  • Mar 20, 2020 11:29pm Mar 20, 2020 11:29pm
Quoting Gervais
Hello all, First post but have been lurking in the shadows for a while. Information in here is invaluable, thanks to AKT and everyone else for helping me grow! I took a trade on NZDUSD last week that I wanted to share with the group. This was on the W-D-4h W - Touched into weekly supply so started looking for shorts {image} D - Same happened on the daily, drilled down to the 4h to look for an entry as I missed it here. {image} 4h - Entered on this 4h supply zone, realised I should've included the candle to the left in the zone so was lucky not to...
Thats frustrating , especially when it a good r/r trade. My charts are a little different but usually that wick is another zone on a lower timeframe. that makes the stops too big sometimes and maybe use a lower time frame and look for two areas to trade from, splitting your initial entry size in two parts
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  • #8,270
  • Mar 24, 2020 2:19pm Mar 24, 2020 2:19pm
Hi Akt, I'm Álex, it's a pleasure to meet you. I am learning a lot with all the information here. Thank you. What to know if I am on the right track I want to show you an example with the EURAUD and know if I have understood everything. In the first chart we have the EURAUD 4H, with 2 fresh zones, the supply area that has broken the bullish momentum, and the demand area that has previously broken the sharp decline. Therefore we look for lengths to the supply area. At 1h we have a chart where the price has previously broken down within the area. Which is indicating that the demand zone is good. So to find the entry point we go to 15 minutes. At 15 minutes again, the bearish momentum has been broken by a new demand zone that breaks the trend, so we would look for our entry point in said demand zone when it is again touched and having in favor the largest of 4h. The take profit would be where the 4h supply zone (we would look for sales since this area is fresh) and a stop loss in, there I have the doubt, it would go below our 15-minute entry demand zone or the large one 4 hours? Thank you.
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  • #8,271
  • Mar 25, 2020 6:10am Mar 25, 2020 6:10am
Quoting epunyfx
Hi Akt, I'm Álex, it's a pleasure to meet you. I am learning a lot with all the information here. Thank you. What to know if I am on the right track I want to show you an example with the EURAUD and know if I have understood everything. In the first chart we have the EURAUD 4H, with 2 fresh zones, the supply area that has broken the bullish momentum, and the demand area that has previously broken the sharp decline. Therefore we look for lengths to the supply area. At 1h we have a chart where the price has previously broken down within the area....
Hi Álex. My opinion.
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  • #8,272
  • Mar 25, 2020 3:42pm Mar 25, 2020 3:42pm
Quoting BogdanM.ua
{quote} Hi Álex. My opinion. {image} {image}
Hello Bogdan. Thanks for your answer. What still assails me many doubts, and being all in English, the videos cannot understand them. I am going to present my experience, I have always relied on technical analysis and fibonacci, and it went quite well, until I discovered that these areas may be an even better potential to implement in my technical analysis strategy. But since I try to square it, I get a lot of analysis but the price always eats my stop before. So I look close but there are still things that fail ... I will expose this for someone to explain it to me. I now try to see both strategies combined, here in the first chart I have the EURSEK. I make it simple, I want to work 4h and 1h. In graph 4h I have an upward trend and it just coincides with a fresh demand zone that is in favor of the 4h direction, therefore I am looking for purchases in 1h and take profit until the last maximum, why? Because without zones it has always worked that way for me and apart from that I do not see any sense of cutting profits before, because the supply zones would go against the trend of 4h. A different thing would be if you will look for sales at 15 minutes ... as margin to the highest demand area at 4h ... But then there is this other example, the GBPCHF. I have a lifelong downtrend as it has been done, the first thing I focus on is that there is a supply area, that the price eats it like nothing, because there I would have to look for purchases if I have a downtrend? If the EURSEK I have an uptrend and I am looking for purchases in my favor? In what changes the two graphics ??? I see the same thing ... Yes, there is a cut in the last two bearish highs, but if it traced a trend since the beginning of the decline, is it still bearish, because it was not going to seek sales? I know that the supply and demand is what creates these forms, and that is why I stick to them next to the areas, therefore why doesn't it fit? I have about 100 pages read in this forum, but I find it lacking information, there is no mention of fibonacci or the golden zones and they are very important to keep in mind when studying the market. Many strong impulses due to an imbalance in supply and demand, many times later break the line of the curve, but what sense does it make to change the direction, if when there is a strong impulse, the price when it reaches 50% 61.8% fibonacci will rebound again and there the curve line does not make any sense ...... I ask it for someone to clarify it for me, nor do I want it to be taken as a novice, if I say this it is because I have been studying the behavior of the market for more than 2 years and for something I say it. All this is what I try to combine and it works very well but I still do water in some ways but I know it works because many analyzes are successful but before they take me out of the market, also another doubt, if multiple zones where I place the stop coincide in the same point ? Because if I want to operate a 20 pips offer zone for example, but it is just inside a weekly 200 pips supply zone, I cannot operate at 4h then? Because many times the price will look for the largest zone by jumping the 4h stop because it coincides with a weekly one ... so how do I operate in short terms? Thank you for your attention. Greetings and thanks. Sorry for my English.
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  • #8,273
  • Mar 26, 2020 7:12am Mar 26, 2020 7:12am
[quote=epunyfx;12837465]{quote} Hello Bogdan. Thanks for your answer. What still assails me many doubts, and being all in English, the videos cannot understand them. I am going to present my experience, I have always relied on technical analysis and fibonacci, and it went quite well, until I discovered that these areas may be an even better potential to implement in my technical analysis strategy. But since I try to square it, I get a lot of analysis but the price always eats my stop before. So I look close but there are still things that fail ...

Hi Álex. I think the combination of the two strategies complicates trade. The losses will always be, you need to control Money Management.
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  • #8,274
  • Mar 26, 2020 4:57pm Mar 26, 2020 4:57pm
[quote = BogdanM.ua; 12838933] [quote = epunyfx; 12837465] {quote} Hola Bogdan. Gracias por tu respuesta. Lo que aún me asalta muchas dudas, y al estar todo en inglés, los videos no pueden entenderlas. Voy a presentar mi experiencia, siempre he confiado en el análisis técnico y el fibonacci, y funcionó bastante bien, hasta que descubrí que estas áreas pueden ser un potencial aún mejor para implementar en mi estrategia de análisis técnico. Pero como trato de corregirlo, obtengo muchos análisis, pero el precio siempre me detiene antes. Así que miro de cerca pero todavía hay cosas que fallan ... Hola Álex. Creo que la combinación de las dos estrategias complica el comercio. Las pérdidas siempre serán, debe controlar la administración del dinero. {imagen} {imagen} {imagen} [/ quote]

Hi Bogdan thanks for replying. But I still have a lot of doubts, maybe combining both techniques is confusing but I know it works, but I'm still testing this new way of seeing the market in demo. And I will be honest with you about the last 10 operations, 9 have expelled me from the market. But those 9 have taken the direction that I really took at the beginning, therefore I still have the fault there and I do not know if it is due to the issue of multiple zones. And I think something is still wrong. Well I think not, I think so, because everything has practically gone in the predicted direction without being already in the market. I have just made a deeper analysis of the USDMXN as an example and better explained so that you can provide your opinion.
All my learning I have learned from a person who has more than 20 years of experience and I think without a doubt that it is the best that I have been able to find on the Internet and the world of Forex, until now. I started with the market structure, technical analysis and fibonacci. Everything works quite well, until he got a supply and demand book that explained that they were still more powerful than technical analysis, since it really is how the market moves, and that combined with previous knowledge, we would obtain a very good potential to operate and market knowledge. That is why I combine both strategies and try to frame them because I know how the market works, but the areas fail me and combine the various times. As times I usually use the highest weekly / daily and to operate the 1 and 4 hours Greetings and thank you!
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  • #8,275
  • Mar 26, 2020 5:54pm Mar 26, 2020 5:54pm
Hello AKt,
I am a new member in the forex factory
First of all, I would like to thank you for your videos, online threads, and everything you are offering, I have learned a lot!

I have a question about the supply and demand strategy.

If the price is low on the curve location (close to the HTF demand), meaning that I should look for buying opportunities. What if the trend is down, which means I cannot go long.
Should I go counter-trend? Or what exactly should I do in this situation (which I encounter a lot)?

Thanks!
  • #8,276
  • Mar 27, 2020 8:48am Mar 27, 2020 8:48am
Quoting slomon
Hello AKt, I am a new member in the forex factory First of all, I would like to thank you for your videos, online threads, and everything you are offering, I have learned a lot! I have a question about the supply and demand strategy. If the price is low on the curve location (close to the HTF demand), meaning that I should look for buying opportunities. What if the trend is down, which means I cannot go long. Should I go counter-trend? Or what exactly should I do in this situation (which I encounter a lot)? Thanks!
Hello slomon
Good to meet you and welcome to T.I.O.F
Patiently wait for new demand levels to form on your timeframe is a more conservative approach than the set and forget approach which requires more experience and know-how.
"Patiently wait" is easier said than done for most of us so that is where some work on one's psychological strengths and weaknesses is critical

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,277
  • Mar 28, 2020 1:20am Mar 28, 2020 1:20am
Quoting epunyfx
[quote = BogdanM.ua; 12838933] [quote = epunyfx; 12837465] {quote} Hola Bogdan. Gracias por tu respuesta. Lo que aún me asalta muchas dudas, y al estar todo en inglés, los videos no pueden entenderlas. Voy a presentar mi experiencia, siempre he confiado en el análisis técnico y el fibonacci, y funcionó bastante bien, hasta que descubrí que estas áreas pueden ser un potencial aún mejor para implementar en mi estrategia de análisis técnico. Pero como trato de corregirlo, obtengo muchos análisis, pero el precio siempre me detiene antes. Así que miro...
Hello epunyfx. My opinion.
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  • #8,278
  • Mar 29, 2020 6:17am Mar 29, 2020 6:17am
Hello BogdanM.ua and epunyfx, my thoughts
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  • #8,279
  • Mar 29, 2020 9:28pm Mar 29, 2020 9:28pm
hello.

correct me pls
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  • #8,280
  • Mar 30, 2020 2:11am Mar 30, 2020 2:11am
Greetings Akt,

I have been following your videos and thread for the past 3 months... I am grateful for your generous contribution to all the desirous traders... I am a huge fan of you, your methodology of S & D and the way you explain it in your videos and posts... I have learned a lot from those and hope to continue improving my trading skills even further... It would be great for me to use this thread for asking doubts, posting charts, getting clarifications, etc....Once again, I thank you for providing such opportunity to all of us.

Thanks
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