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  • #1,381
  • Jan 23, 2020 12:11pm Jan 23, 2020 12:11pm
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} That's the problem in a nutshell, great thread, brilliant minds but boy it just give's me a headache now, with information overload ?
Touche.

Jenkins says in Secret Science, to only pick that which resonates with you.

That if you try to apply all the methods he lays out, you'll end up worse off ( TRUE )

There's a lot of stuff I don't understand ( e.g Paris Boy's bands ) but it's no matter because I get one or two other geometric methods
  • #1,382
  • Jan 23, 2020 12:38pm Jan 23, 2020 12:38pm
Quoting gettoefl
so 11035 was 15 pips below target not +-50 which was the max ... time is nearly done so long limits are set now ... as i wrote last weekend when talking about Elliott wave, right here should be the bottom for long time to come
Can you post some charts to show us your analysis...that way we can follow your reasoning...thanks
  • #1,383
  • Jan 23, 2020 12:41pm Jan 23, 2020 12:41pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} quite amazing how he drew with such accuracy...
Word!

PS: this has just reminded of something Jenkins mentions in the last book that DiamondMiner said we should all get and read by hook or crook
[ Stock Trading Using Planetary Time Cycles The Gann Method Volume 1 ]

The ancients went to great lengths to keep track of the huge master cycle ( 25,920 years ) when EVERYTHING WOULD REPEAT IDENTICALLY.

I remember CJ, for example, trading a current EURAUD chart based on price movements that EURUSD had made 4 years earlier.
He said it was like a SINE WAVE. Same wave, but different points in the cycle. That was what correlated pairs were.

In thinking about the number 25,920, I want to investigate and check what that might translate to in the forex markets fractal-wise
Example:
a) 25,920 periods? or 2592 bars ?
b) 25,920 / 365 = 71.01 months ?
c) 25,920 / 360 = 72 times round a circle ?

The rabbit hole runs deep. We shall emerge grinning like the Cheshire Cat!
  • #1,384
  • Jan 23, 2020 12:50pm Jan 23, 2020 12:50pm
Quoting fundiwambao
{quote} Word! PS: this has just reminded of something Jenkins mentions in the last book that DiamondMiner said we should all get and read by hook or crook [ Stock Trading Using Planetary Time Cycles The Gann Method Volume 1 ] The ancients went to great lengths to keep track of the huge master cycle ( 25,920 years ) when EVERYTHING WOULD REPEAT IDENTICALLY. We shall emerge grinning like the Cheshire Cat!
Fundi, Gann mentioned it as well, but Yes, Jenkins, totally believes that eventually everything repeats, as I think it was the "Secret Science of the Stock Market" book I read it in. Let's face it, Jenkins has opened up the eyes of many people. If anyone reading this now doesn't agree, LEAVE.
You NEVER will be the person you could be, without pressure & discipline
  • #1,385
  • Edited 1:41pm Jan 23, 2020 1:20pm | Edited 1:41pm
Quoting fundiwambao
{quote} Word! PS: this has just reminded of something Jenkins mentions in the last book that DiamondMiner said we should all get and read by hook or crook [ Stock Trading Using Planetary Time Cycles The Gann Method Volume 1 ] The ancients went to great lengths to keep track of the huge master cycle ( 25,920 years ) when EVERYTHING WOULD REPEAT IDENTICALLY. I remember CJ, for example, trading a current EURAUD chart based on price movements that EURUSD had made 4 years earlier. He said it was like a SINE WAVE. Same wave, but different points in the...
fundi your methodology is ok

but IMHO as for cycles when you trade, it is totally inefficient and a lost of time and energy to look for a cycle of 25 920 years because YOU HAVE NOT THE MARKET DATA TO PROVE IT. It is obviously a dead end.

hence your methodology using other Time Units

By the way Edward Dewey and the researchers of the Fondation of the Study of Cycles were of the opinion that the 6 Years Cycle was the most common in life, not only in market.

6 Years = 6 x 12 months = 72 which is very close of the 71.01 months = 25.920 / 365
  • #1,386
  • Jan 23, 2020 1:22pm Jan 23, 2020 1:22pm
Hi everyone ;-) Great thread. I just started to learn about gann . Really interesting I have studied ichimoku for two years from the japanese readings and hosoda also told that time was the most important in the market like gann . I use mostly ichimoku for my trading with time cycles and I learn a lot from studying gann now and using it with ichimoku.
  • #1,387
  • Edited 2:13pm Jan 23, 2020 1:43pm | Edited 2:13pm
Quoting fundiwambao
{quote} Touche. Jenkins says in Secret Science, to only pick that which resonates with you. That if you try to apply all the methods he lays out, you'll end up worse off ( TRUE ) There's a lot of stuff I don't understand ( e.g Paris Boy's bands ) but it's no matter because I get one or two other geometric methods

fundi if you use 25.920 years cycle, it is normal that you can not understand Parisboy's bands !
  • #1,388
  • Jan 23, 2020 1:47pm Jan 23, 2020 1:47pm
Quoting hidekin
Hi everyone ;-) Great thread. I just started to learn about gann . Really interesting I have studied ichimoku for two years from the japanese readings and hosoda also told that time was the most important in the market like gann . I use mostly ichimoku for my trading with time cycles and I learn a lot from studying gann now and using it with ichimoku.
I was wondering how long it would be before someone brought up Ichimoku. the cloud is plotted in the future tense and I have often used it running in the background on my daily charts to show where my trade may run into support or resistance . Chinko plots the past and if you enter a trade on the wrong side of the market it will alert you in advance if your heading down the wrong side of the market..........I read recently though, and I believe the statement that there are very few traders who really know how to use it properly....including the home of Ichi being Japan. Anyway, thanks for posting and welcome....
  • #1,389
  • Jan 23, 2020 1:53pm Jan 23, 2020 1:53pm
the 6.01 year Cycle in Stock Market - Cycle Magazine - Mai 1966
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  • #1,390
  • Jan 23, 2020 1:56pm Jan 23, 2020 1:56pm
Quoting parisboy
the 6.01 year Cycle in Stock Market - Cycle Magazine - Mai 1966 {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}
Parisboy, truly you are our Cycles guy....
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  • #1,391
  • Jan 23, 2020 1:58pm Jan 23, 2020 1:58pm
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  • #1,392
  • Jan 23, 2020 2:32pm Jan 23, 2020 2:32pm
Quoting fundiwambao
{quote} Word! PS: this has just reminded of something Jenkins mentions in the last book that DiamondMiner said we should all get and read by hook or crook [ Stock Trading Using Planetary Time Cycles The Gann Method Volume 1 ] The ancients went to great lengths to keep track of the huge master cycle ( 25,920 years ) when EVERYTHING WOULD REPEAT IDENTICALLY. I remember CJ, for example, trading a current EURAUD chart based on price movements that EURUSD had made 4 years earlier. He said it was like a SINE WAVE. Same wave, but different points in the...
FUNDI

In the example hereunder

a) Enveloppes allow you most of the time to identify and classify the dominant(s) cycle(s) at work within Price Action
b) The Underlying Trend is the Sum of ALL cycles whose period is greater than the longest period of the Envelope - here 256 Time Units.
This includes the 25.920 years cycle !

Hurst called this Sum of Cycle Sigma L. The Underlying Trend shows the influence of Sigma L within Price Action

Notice that in this specific case :

The Dominant (visible) Cycles fuctuates up and down within the Enveloppe 128 Time Unit
The influence of the Underlying Trend on Price Action is 2,5 times greater than that of the Dominant Cycles
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  • #1,393
  • Jan 23, 2020 3:24pm Jan 23, 2020 3:24pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} I was wondering how long it would be before someone brought up Ichimoku. the cloud is plotted in the future tense and I have often used it running in the background on my daily charts to show where my trade may run into support or resistance . Chinko plots the past and if you enter a trade on the wrong side of the market it will alert you in advance if your heading down the wrong side of the market..........I read recently though, and I believe the statement that there are very few traders who really know how to use it properly....including...
yes exactly ichimoku can shows you important levels in from the past and plot them in the future. Ichimoku has also time cycle analysis and wave analysis but it's not known by many peoples . I have read a lot of ichimoku content from japanese and also watched youtube videos in japanese to learn more about it At least my many years of studying was useful for something
Most of the time the cycles repeat by waves of 9 , 17 , 26 bars . A lot of variations with those cycles. I think it's similar to gann but with some differences.
Here is an example on how you can use ichimoku with time and wave analysis

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  • #1,394
  • Edited 4:19pm Jan 23, 2020 3:51pm | Edited 4:19pm
Quoting hidekin
{quote} yes exactly ichimoku can shows you important levels in from the past and plot them in the future. Ichimoku has also time cycle analysis and wave analysis but it's not known by many peoples . I have read a lot of ichimoku content from japanese and also watched youtube videos in japanese to learn more about it At least my many years of studying was useful for something Most of the time the cycles repeat by waves of 9 , 17 , 26 bars . A lot of variations with those cycles. I think it's similar to gann but with some differences....
You have to prove it. More precisely Ichimoku has to prove it.

Moreover Ichomoku guys generally do not know what they are talking about

Ichimoku uses for example the Senku Span , average of Tenkan and Kijun, and projects this average 26 time units forward.

This is efficient is you have a Cycle of 52 (2x 26) Time Units period operative (dominant) within Price Action . Otherwise you go nowhere
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  • #1,395
  • Jan 23, 2020 3:54pm Jan 23, 2020 3:54pm
Ichimoku uses for example the Chiku Span , last close, and projects this price 26 time units backward.

This is efficient is you have a Cycle of 52 (2x 26) Time Units period operative (dominant) within Price Action . Otherwise you go nowhere
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  • #1,396
  • Jan 23, 2020 4:01pm Jan 23, 2020 4:01pm
Ichimoku uses for example the Senku Span B, average of high and low of the 52 last data, and projects this average 26 time units forward.

Here again This is efficient is you have a Cycle of 52 (2x 26) Time Units period operative (dominant) within Price Action . Otherwise you go nowhere
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  • #1,397
  • Edited 4:23pm Jan 23, 2020 4:10pm | Edited 4:23pm
This way you can confirm

a) a Top (2)
b) a Low (1)
c) the crossing of your cycle 52 period (in blue) and of its projection forward of 1/2 period (26) allows you to calculate a target price
d) when Price Action is in range notice that peaks and troughs of price action and of its projection are synchronized (3)

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  • #1,398
  • Jan 23, 2020 4:16pm Jan 23, 2020 4:16pm
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  • Jan 23, 2020 4:17pm Jan 23, 2020 4:17pm
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  • #1,400
  • Jan 23, 2020 4:20pm Jan 23, 2020 4:20pm
hit 11050 precisely at the end of day 16 of the decade, you cannot make it up
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