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  • #7,901
  • Nov 13, 2019 6:20pm Nov 13, 2019 6:20pm
Quoting tuantm
{quote} Give me the link Please
Www.finviz.com
  • #7,902
  • Nov 14, 2019 7:57am Nov 14, 2019 7:57am
Quoting tuantm
{quote} Give me the link Please
https://www.myfxbook.com/en/forex-ma.../AUDUSD-NZDUSD

The reason I ask, i'm sure many of you are familiar with sam seiden. He looked at AUDUSD and AUDJPY, but did not validate one of the CPs on that impulse wave on AUDJPY, but validated both on AUDUSD. at least according to him he can be looking at 2 very similar pairs and get different results. So is there a pair you would prioritize over the other?

Example of a correlated pair:
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  • #7,903
  • Nov 15, 2019 1:44pm Nov 15, 2019 1:44pm
hello,
EURCHF long trade taken off the daily demand

cheers
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cut your losses short and let your profit run
  • #7,904
  • Nov 18, 2019 5:27am Nov 18, 2019 5:27am
So seen a couple of times where Michael said that the structure of a zone was not good. An attached example is from his youtube video "Supply and demand analysis for swing traders" from March 10, 2017. Can anyone shed any light on why the structure is bad?
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  • #7,905
  • Nov 19, 2019 12:04pm Nov 19, 2019 12:04pm
Quoting mohdhm
What do you guys think of correlated pairs in terms of Supply and Demand. Which pair is leading (ie. AUDUSD vs NZDUSD). Does it depend on which of them hits a nice strong high TF zone? {image}
Hello mohdhm
Thanks for the question

In terms of correlations, i often look at it from a risk management of view
If i have an opportunity on a dollar based pair for example, it is often going to be a similar opportunity on at least some if not all the other dollar based pairs
TO manage my risk as a speculator, i have the option of just picking the "best" pair by which i mean the strongest vs the weakest and put all my risk in that one pair, or i spread my risk across one or two more pairs in the the same currency, while making sure my entire risk in that currency (not currency pair) is within my allowed risk limits

hope it helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #7,906
  • Nov 19, 2019 12:17pm Nov 19, 2019 12:17pm
Quoting dmh44678
So seen a couple of times where Michael said that the structure of a zone was not good. An attached example is from his youtube video "Supply and demand analysis for swing traders" from March 10, 2017. Can anyone shed any light on why the structure is bad? {image}
Hello dmh44678

Welcome to T.I.O.F
Good to have you join us.

Please see the picture below for some thoughts on your question.

best wishes
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  • #7,907
  • Nov 19, 2019 12:23pm Nov 19, 2019 12:23pm
Hello AKT, how are you, hope you are good? i have a couple of questions on trading lower timeframes.
1.when we have( H4 as curve) (H1 as trend) which would you use as your entry(30,15 or 5mins)??
2.After we have gotten our curve,trend and entry do we then apply the same rules of trading supply&demand on higher timeframe to lower TF?
For instance, what i mean is, on the higher TF when price hits daily supply we go to the H1 and wait for 2 things to happen:
1.A break in upward trendline.
2.A break in upward trendline and removal of opposing demand zone,which will increase our profit margin.
So, taking it down to lower TF it will be, price hits H4 supply go to entry TF and wait for 1 of the 2 things to happen??

I hope you understand my questions AKT, and i would also like to know if you are finding it difficult to take trades on higher TF,because i am,its either price
doesn't get to my entry or my charts(currency pairs i watch)are not clear at all, which means no trading. Thats why i want to check lower TF out.

Thank you in advance.
  • #7,908
  • Nov 19, 2019 12:54pm Nov 19, 2019 12:54pm
I'm frustrated with ABBV, maybe this community can help.
I've been looking to buy it for 12+ months with the W-D-4 time set. I watched as it removed 2 demand zones and kept going. I thought "weekly supply being created, weekly demands being removed, trend is down, there is no reason to buy yet".

It came into the most distal zone on the weekly and seem to hold.
I stuck to the SND logic of "wait until there is removed supply on the 4 and / or broken momo on the daily/intermediate".

I got the daily momo break at the Pink X. But it didn't remove any weekly supply in Red.
So I waited. There was a strong rally that didn't break weekly supply or momentum (blue line) and "stay away" until the Black X.

Now price has gone from 65 to 89 and isn't looking back. I know I missed it, and I know it's all my fault, but I thought I was following the SND methodology, waiting patiently. Apparently I waited way too long. But at what point was I waiting too long?

Can someone(s) point out where I went wrong, what I missed, and what I could've done better.
I believe I was "patiently waiting" for the right events to happen and provide an opportunity, but did I just get it all wrong?

Thank you in advance.
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  • #7,911
  • Nov 19, 2019 11:42pm Nov 19, 2019 11:42pm
Quoting Diddyy
Hello AKT, how are you, hope you are good? i have a couple of questions on trading lower timeframes. 1.when we have( H4 as curve) (H1 as trend) which would you use as your entry(30,15 or 5mins)?? 2.After we have gotten our curve,trend and entry do we then apply the same rules of trading supply&demand on higher timeframe to lower TF? For instance, what i mean is, on the higher TF when price hits daily supply we go to the H1 and wait for 2 things to happen: 1.A break in upward trendline. 2.A break in upward trendline and removal of opposing demand...
Hello Diddyy
I am well thank you. Crazy busy but well

To your questions:

1. With multiple timeframe analysis it is important to remember that markets are fractal as we all know. So it is especially essential the timeframes in the sequences we use are not so close that they give no further useful addition information, and not too far apart that they become irrelevant to compare with one another.
In the supply and demand community the general convention is to use MWD, D41, 4hr1hr15min, etc. Now, there is nothing that says the trader cant use a MW12hr if they happen to see levels better and clearer on a 12hr for example, or a D430min for the same reason. What isn't advisable is to do a MW1HR or a d4hr2min, because of the fractal distance between the chosen timeframes. I have seen colleagues use the d430min but then "refine" the chosen level on a 15 or 10min, that is also another approach. Bear in mind, as with everything in trading there are advantages and disadvantages you will need to accept.

2. Yes, Supply and demand analysis is crucial on all timeframes, just for different reasons. I am for example much more keen on the quality of zones when i am doing supply and demand analysis on my entry timeframe compared to when i look at larger timeframes simply because i am using those timeframes for different purposes


In terms of your comment about your charts not being clear, that is always possible as there will be times of plenty when you have quality levels on many charts and times of "famine" when quality opportunities will not be present. This is the most difficult time for traders usually but as i always say to Roundtable members as was taught to me, the money is made in the waiting. Being able to sit on one's hands and watch and stalk a market can be difficult. Like you, traders start looking at other timeframes and can get confused or distracted delving into timeframes they have not developed a trading relationship with just so they can get a trade. I set alarms for levels and move on.

Hope that helps

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #7,912
  • Nov 20, 2019 5:24am Nov 20, 2019 5:24am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Diddyy I am well thank you. Crazy busy but well To your questions: 1. With multiple timeframe analysis it is important to remember that markets are fractal as we all know. So it is especially essential the timeframes in the sequences we use are not so close that they give no further useful addition information, and not too far apart that they become irrelevant to compare with one another. In the supply and demand community the general convention is to use MWD, D41, 4hr1hr15min, etc. Now, there is nothing that says the trader...
Thank you AKT, that really helps alot.
  • #7,913
  • Edited 4:26pm Nov 20, 2019 4:03pm | Edited 4:26pm
USOIL did several S/D auction this month , snf entry from today , it was really quick , leaving this overnight as immediate rejection to distrubution at daily , lets see how it works ,
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  • #7,914
  • Nov 20, 2019 4:16pm Nov 20, 2019 4:16pm
Meh , loosing gold trade from greedy haluk , thanks to stop loss , tomorrow will try this again
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  • #7,915
  • Nov 20, 2019 7:40pm Nov 20, 2019 7:40pm
Quoting cpuz
I'm frustrated with ABBV, maybe this community can help. I've been looking to buy it for 12+ months with the W-D-4 time set. I watched as it removed 2 demand zones and kept going. I thought "weekly supply being created, weekly demands being removed, trend is down, there is no reason to buy yet". It came into the most distal zone on the weekly and seem to hold. I stuck to the SND logic of "wait until there is removed supply on the 4 and / or broken momo on the daily/intermediate". I got the daily momo break at the Pink X. But it didn't remove any...
Hello cpuz,

If i may, firstly, i think your process has served you well going by what i see on my charts for this stock
Secondly, it may be a bit early to say you have missed the trade because you never know when the pull back for a potential entry will occur. This stock is still in an impulse move coming from being in a monthly downtrend that has now ended with the current ongoing impulse move. The waiting should be done now, for a possible pullback when it does happen. They always pullback because no market moves up permanently without pulling back, whether that is for some profit taking or from new selling coming in for whatever reason. The 77.30 to 73.60 area may be one area to consider watching when prices pullback.

Now even if prices don't pullback, it really isn't something i would worry about since it is not something within the trader's control We have enough worries dealing with what is in our power to control in terms of trading.

So if i may suggest, be patient with yourself and the markets and know that you are not supposed to "catch" every move, the moves are not running away from you that you have to catch them. Be an observer and wait for the opportunities to come to you. You will be wrong and you will be right..

As we say on the Round table, Follow the process and wait.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #7,916
  • Nov 21, 2019 9:14am Nov 21, 2019 9:14am
Quoting haluk
Meh , loosing gold trade from greedy haluk , thanks to stop loss , tomorrow will try this again {image}
XAUUSD, Entry obtained this time ,
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  • #7,917
  • Nov 21, 2019 10:53am Nov 21, 2019 10:53am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello cpuz, If i may, firstly, i think your process has served you well going by what i see on my charts for this stock Secondly, it may be a bit early to say you have missed the trade because you never know when the pull back for a potential entry will occur. This stock is still in an impulse move coming from being in a monthly downtrend that has now ended with the current ongoing impulse move. The waiting should be done now, for a possible pullback when it does happen.
Thank you Akt. Your seasoned perspective helps.
I am once again in waiting mode for a pullback - into higher prices.
I do think in hindsight that it broke the down momentum line on the daily (intermediate TF), removed proximal daily demand and I should've had a buy order in on the 4h demand zone given the strength of the lower most imbalance.
Because the Daily was my intermediate and a demand zone did form on the 4h - with a shallow backfilled LOTL decline nonetheless. The weekly down momentum seemed so strong at the time.
What I didn't realize was just how far up and how high the prices were on the weekly supply zones that any break of weekly distal supply or momentum would've been at much higher prices.

I also have in my notes that price had broken 2 consecutive demand zones and not to "be a hero, just wait for a weekly supply removal and then pullback into demand".
I remember feeling like I've gotten burned on price plunging lower and lower, removing demand after demand and that I didn't want to stick my hand in the fire again.

It's all a reminder that it's really tough to do it real time with real money.
  • #7,918
  • Nov 21, 2019 12:54pm Nov 21, 2019 12:54pm
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  • #7,919
  • Nov 22, 2019 12:17am Nov 22, 2019 12:17am
Good day fam.. I am a new member and would like to know how I can use the momentum line as a guide when making my trading decisions based on sz and dz.... thanks in advance
  • #7,920
  • Nov 22, 2019 9:52pm Nov 22, 2019 9:52pm
Quoting tradingbox
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Hello tradingbox
Good to meet you

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It violates the rules as set out on the first page.

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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