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  • #21
  • Edited 4:25pm Oct 2, 2019 4:14pm | Edited 4:25pm
Quoting nastynatty
Man, seems like your having a blast trading these things. We're limited on what we can trade in the states anymore... Thanks Enron! Regardless, enjoying your journey and the future possibilities for us to get involved in similar markets.
Tnx... Well I would suggest that you involve yourself if you want... Firstly just watching the markets, trying to see where they might be going... And if it would appear you have "the juice", I think you would find a way to trade in any markets.. I mean, what about forming a cheap company in EU, opening trade account? I would think that would be good and legal? BTW are you sure you can not trade this CO2 market? Where does it get stuck?

EDIT: Just checked, seems to be problems with CFD trading for US citizens? Well, so same thing as before... I would focus on the "edge" or the "juice" and if it would appear... I would be checking opening the company somewhere and trade via it.. I would assume that would be legal and fine? Might not be the cheaper option but if you can find/get the juice.. the costs would be negligible...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #22
  • Oct 3, 2019 4:11pm Oct 3, 2019 4:11pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Tnx... Well I would suggest that you involve yourself if you want... Firstly just watching the markets, trying to see where they might be going... And if it would appear you have "the juice", I think you would find a way to trade in any markets.. I mean, what about forming a cheap company in EU, opening trade account? I would think that would be good and legal? BTW are you sure you can not trade this CO2 market? Where does it get stuck? EDIT: Just checked, seems to be problems with CFD trading for US citizens? Well, so same thing as before......

Exactly right. We are pretty limited over here. There is a similar market that is known as Renewable Energy Credits (RECs), but I'm not sure that is even accessible to retail traders. I'm looking into that as well as your suggestions.
  • #23
  • Oct 4, 2019 5:08pm Oct 4, 2019 5:08pm
Quoting nastynatty
{quote} Exactly right. We are pretty limited over here. There is a similar market that is known as Renewable Energy Credits (RECs), but I'm not sure that is even accessible to retail traders. I'm looking into that as well as your suggestions.
Tnx! We might start a thread for this since it seems some traders are completely cut off from some good opportunities. I myself would focus on "the juice"...
Would even switch countries in extreme situations/opportunities... but yeah, might be more difficult for US citizens although some did so! Also note in EU we also do have some problems, for higher leverage trading in particular... they limited us a lot... but at least we can trade anywhere in the world (afaik) at brokers that do allow higher... Thankfully at the moment still no global restrictions for EU citizens... But if we disregard this extreme options... Setting up company for trading would be the easiest, cheapest and legal option for real trader that make at least some money with it So it totally dependence on the market and trading "juice" in particular...
In fact, for some markets and opportunities I was looking into setting up US company myself, but atm there are still no real grounds for this... I do have the plan on the table, awaiting some conditions to be filled

What do you think would be this be discussion enough (setting of companies for trading for various citizens, for various reasons) to start a new thread for this? You might start it otherwise I might, if there would be interest for this, it would certainly seem so since it seems US citizens have no value from this CO2 thread since they might not be able to trade except via company If I understand...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #24
  • Oct 9, 2019 1:39pm Oct 9, 2019 1:39pm
Man, should have trusted my analysis more, missed good amount of profits! Check my posts, was rather sure on the direction but was somewhat discouraged because of the stal... Makes some more sense now since I found out that US traders are not allowed to "CFD"... Check my "Company Formation" thread, so we can discuss how to find a way... More faith maybe But it was hard since I have waited "so long" for trade to be hit, at least compared to what I am (was) used in FX... which is in a painful stall/swing often atm... Anyway, in this post I have showed you that I made 50% from shorting 2632->2500.... Now the price went to 2200 almost.... Do you see the missed potential (and the leverage is just 10:1)? And what's more... It went pretty much from there DOWN.. no up spikes/uptrends in between etc... But hey, rather to pull-out than sorry But will track this market.. I would buy it blindfold at like 500... and maybe even at 1000-1500... For more certainty, would need to make further/deeper analysis... Currently have resources on other markets, but I do check this CO2... Missed much opportunity.. will see how it goes further, If I can predict the TURNing point... trend-wise... would love to be in a buy also, when the time is right..

Check the current chart here (one of below links, you choose):

  1. https://www.plus500.com/Instruments/...rchTerm=carbon
  2. https://sandbag.org.uk/carbon-price-viewer/
  3. https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...rbon-emissions

Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #25
  • Oct 13, 2019 8:53am Oct 13, 2019 8:53am
Quoting auricforecas
Man, should have trusted my analysis more, missed good amount of profits! Check my posts, was rather sure on the direction but was somewhat discouraged because of the stal... Makes some more sense now since I found out that US traders are not allowed to "CFD"... Check my "Company Formation" thread, so we can discuss how to find a way... More faith maybe But it was hard since I have waited "so long" for trade to be hit, at least compared to what I am (was) used in FX... which...
Price rebounded to 2500... Seems to be a good SET level to SHORT it to or BUY to... in retrospect... Will watch it from now on... Would not enter the BUY atm... but will watch for opportunities to SELL it again.. above 2500.... or BUY at much lower level as it is now...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #26
  • Oct 15, 2019 3:54pm Oct 15, 2019 3:54pm
Very interesting market... https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...banner-dismiss
Dancing around 2500 so far.. went up again... 2570s atm... I am a little out of the market, still check it rather passively atm.. but would still not BUY at rather high prices atm If I would be forced to trade now.. I would be in the SELL again, TP2500 again I mean, don't you US traders miss this?
Try it.. you can trade by chart itself.. for TEST... to see if you have the juice... And if you do... You know what do to
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #27
  • Oct 23, 2019 1:36pm Oct 23, 2019 1:36pm
Quoting auricforecas
Very interesting market... https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...banner-dismiss Dancing around 2500 so far.. went up again... 2570s atm... I am a little out of the market, still check it rather passively atm.. but would still not BUY at rather high prices atm If I would be forced to trade now.. I would be in the SELL again, TP2500 again I mean, don't you US traders miss this? Try it.. you can trade by chart itself.. for TEST... to see if you have the juice... And if you...
Wow still below 2500... I mean those SHORTS above 2500 would still pay of af... I stopped in the end of SEPT and made 50%... but do not regret it... still track this CO2 market.. but won't be entering it again for some time due to my my focus being distributed already... might change in a month or two... I might go back to CO2 trading.. depends on how (performance) on other markets will go....
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #28
  • Oct 28, 2019 2:54pm Oct 28, 2019 2:54pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Wow still below 2500... I mean those SHORTS above 2500 would still pay of af... I stopped in the end of SEPT and made 50%... but do not regret it... still track this CO2 market.. but won't be entering it again for some time due to my my focus being distributed already... might change in a month or two... I might go back to CO2 trading.. depends on how (performance) on other markets will go....
Looks like it's perked up a bit. Is there a relation to crude? What's your outlook?
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  • #29
  • Oct 28, 2019 3:00pm Oct 28, 2019 3:00pm
Quoting vpn
{quote} Looks like it's perked up a bit. Is there a relation to crude? What's your outlook? {image}
Hi man! To be honest, lost a little track atm... So focused on other markets right now.. Specially in this trinity week... FED, ECB, BREXIT... Some TWEETS (I am sure), not to mention some headlines/development... We might have Pentinity week even I mean, once FED gives statement, I am sure ECB would follow shortly... BREXIT situation might update its status around that dates also... And of course, to make the full cup, at least "someone" will TWEET heavily... to either SUPPORT the move or to counter it And of course, there are some spicy developments in/about asia/middle east...

But If I would have to "guess".. I would short it above 2500 For further analysis, I would have to be more "in it"... (to win it)... which I might be after we set the course in other markets by the mid of NOV.. They I might be looking in CO2 again.. Also this CFDs expires in 16DEC19... we might see what happens then... So I think I will be out of this CO2 for this year... but will check it from time to time because it sure does seem interesting to trade...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #30
  • Nov 8, 2019 12:11pm Nov 8, 2019 12:11pm
Quoting auricforecas
If I would have to "guess".. I would short it above 2500 For further analysis, I would have to be more "in it"... (to win it)... which I might be after we set the course in other markets by the mid of NOV.. They I might be looking in CO2 again.. Also this CFDs expires in 16DEC19... we might see what happens then... So I think I will be out of this CO2 for this year... but will check it from time to time because it sure does seem interesting to trade...
Man, seem to had quite lock in this market.. Yeah I traded it till 50% then decided to watch/analyse but not trade, just in case.. Also, since I am involved in other markets actively, with live trades.. and it is hard to track all of them... But if you have been checking my timestamped posts... Seems to be SPOT on.. till now..
Epic money could be made out of this... But nevertheless... will wait for at least end of the year, since I have allocated resourced atm... Will sure do keep an eye on this CO2, at least from time to time... But if there are no questions... might suspend it a little more also...

LATEST DATA, fell below 2500, as I posted above...
https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...banner-dismiss

Not making any prediction from this point on... Will re-check the market if there will be any activity in this thread or some time later...
And yes, will check it in exactly one week, after, I believe, other markets consolidate... so would be interesting to see CO2 (trend) then... and what effect other markets might have....
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #31
  • Nov 13, 2019 6:31pm Nov 13, 2019 6:31pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Man, seem to had quite lock in this market.. Yeah I traded it till 50% then decided to watch/analyse but not trade, just in case.. Also, since I am involved in other markets actively, with live trades.. and it is hard to track all of them... But if you have been checking my timestamped posts... Seems to be SPOT on.. till now.. Epic money could be made out of this... But nevertheless... will wait for at least end of the year, since I have allocated resourced atm... Will sure do keep an eye on this CO2, at least from time to time... But if...
Huh rather nice drop...rather clean too... meaning not much counter movements/spikes before it did so.. so it would be great for leveraged SELL, even if only at 10:1:blush:
Very tempted to enter the market again, but can not allocated the resources atm.. since I am already tracking few markets... and is hard to be GOOD at all of them
Anyone tempted to enter? Some US guys missing it? You had the option to enter or at least try with demo first and if it would seem to imply that you have the juice, I think you can find a way around it.. check my company formation thread for more...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #32
  • Nov 15, 2019 2:51pm Nov 15, 2019 2:51pm
Wow! Epic DROP! Now I ALMOST regret not trading this anymore... Huh man... But trading plan is a trading plan, can not afford to split my focus atm.. involved in other markets, 3 big one... alredy, but will be keeping and eye on this market now and then... will decide if I shall re-enter it NEXT year, also new CFDs coming since this this one have "Last dealing date and time 16/12/19 17:00" https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...banner-dismiss
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #33
  • Nov 19, 2019 1:48pm Nov 19, 2019 1:48pm
Quoting auricforecas
Wow! Epic DROP! Now I ALMOST regret not trading this anymore... Huh man... But trading plan is a trading plan, can not afford to split my focus atm.. involved in other markets, 3 big one... alredy, but will be keeping and eye on this market now and then... will decide if I shall re-enter it NEXT year, also new CFDs coming since this this one have "Last dealing date and time 16/12/19 17:00" https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...banner-dismiss
You joking Still dropping.. Ok will give it a few weeks tops and then will seriously consider re-entering this market... because seems like a no-brainer atm
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #34
  • Nov 19, 2019 5:14pm Nov 19, 2019 5:14pm
I met a few traders in a big energy trading house in London. They said emissions are very technical driven, much more than oil/gas. Make me wonder if it's similar to FX. It's an area I'm definitely exploring.
  • #35
  • Nov 20, 2019 2:32pm Nov 20, 2019 2:32pm
Quoting Faybonachi
I met a few traders in a big energy trading house in London. They said emissions are very technical driven, much more than oil/gas. Make me wonder if it's similar to FX. It's an area I'm definitely exploring.
Well they might be technical driven but I do not by the same parameters as in FX... Specially not so volatile to events as I see no real spikes, etc...
If you check the market seems very SLOW, very like... tradable pattern https://www.ig.com/uk/commodities/ma...banner-dismiss I see you are from UK so you have zero problem trading it I guess... Will you try it with demo and see how it goes? BTW I have been trading FX 10+ years... and although I use basically same (core) of price prediction model... this CO2 market is much different to me... Much more "predictable" maybe... but it moves slow as hell which might be a good thing! The leverage is 10:1.. but we have time to move and much less exposed to some tweets, events, high-economic news, etc... So it has it's advantages... I am very interested, unfortunately I am tied in some other markets/trades.... But would love to have this CO2 on the side since it takes "forever" for it too move... So I can make other trades in other markets in the meantime.... I encourage you to test for yourself... One other advantage is that not many people (relatively to FX) are trading it... As you see, US is out of it due to CFD ban... So it might give you additional edge.. I remember how BTW was at the beginning, similar somewhat... This CO2 seems to offer great opportunities... BTW price rebounded a little but still bellow 2500...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #36
  • Nov 25, 2019 4:15pm Nov 25, 2019 4:15pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Much more "predictable" maybe...
That's what I heard
  • #37
  • Dec 3, 2019 2:27pm Dec 3, 2019 2:27pm
Quoting Faybonachi
{quote} That's what I heard
Tnx man... I just re-checked the market... I mean if one would be trading just arround (sell ABOVE, BUY above) 2500 number that I gave been rementioning for quite some time... he might have GOOD money by now... WIll maybe re-check this market much more... I am in the other markets and I really hate those nasty spikes and swings.. This CO2 is slower but seems more stable or/and even more predictable.. so you might get good source for this... BTW, you got it from some REAL traders from LON? City or Canary?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #38
  • Dec 7, 2019 3:57am Dec 7, 2019 3:57am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Tnx man... I just re-checked the market... I mean if one would be trading just arround (sell ABOVE, BUY above) 2500 number that I gave been rementioning for quite some time... he might have GOOD money by now... WIll maybe re-check this market much more... I am in the other markets and I really hate those nasty spikes and swings.. This CO2 is slower but seems more stable or/and even more predictable.. so you might get good source for this... BTW, you got it from some REAL traders from LON? City or Canary?
Heh, crazy, still working I threw a good car away (missed opportunity Will see what happens when futures expire in 9 days...
If things go well... I might seriously reenter this market... at new futures... 2020. And with greater deposits Stay tuned!
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #39
  • Dec 9, 2019 12:57pm Dec 9, 2019 12:57pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Heh, crazy, still working I threw a good car away (missed opportunity Will see what happens when futures expire in 9 days... If things go well... I might seriously reenter this market... at new futures... 2020. And with greater deposits Stay tuned!
Breached 2500 again Let's see how far it goes till it drops bellow 2500 again... Also Expiry date closing in: 16/12/19.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #40
  • Dec 10, 2019 1:18pm Dec 10, 2019 1:18pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Breached 2500 again Let's see how far it goes till it drops bellow 2500 again... Also Expiry date closing in: 16/12/19.
I mean isn't that wonderful, now seriously regret I didn't earn with swings around 2500 (as before for the past months!
It is below 2500 (again).
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