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  • #201
  • Oct 8, 2019 7:56pm Oct 8, 2019 7:56pm
Quoting cfudge
OK, I really need to re-kickstart this thread again...It's disappointing that we have 1300+ downloads and a free EA from our friend JoeeF and nobody (including me) has put in any effort to further this idea. Anyway, I have spent the last few hours setting up some set files for the 30 min chart with signals from the 4hr, that's 8 candles of difference. It went pretty good, the only one that is a little off (not much) is AUDNZD the rest are pretty close. I tried to get a broad spectrum of pairs to try currencies, commodities, and crypto. I wanted...
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the EA Joe.
Have JFFRST running on GBPJPY M30, .xml file configured with your set file parameters.
Perfidious Pips
  • #202
  • Oct 9, 2019 1:47am Oct 9, 2019 1:47am
Quoting cfudge
OK, I really need to re-kickstart this thread again...It's disappointing that we have 1300+ downloads and a free EA from our friend JoeeF and nobody (including me) has put in any effort to further this idea. Anyway, I have spent the last few hours setting up some set files for the 30 min chart with signals from the 4hr, that's 8 candles of difference. It went pretty good, the only one that is a little off (not much) is AUDNZD the rest are pretty close. I tried to get a broad spectrum of pairs to try currencies, commodities, and crypto. I wanted...
Once I am back home later this week I will download and test on VPS. I will have results for you to analyse soon. Thx for your efforts Chris and Joe.
  • #203
  • Oct 9, 2019 8:34am Oct 9, 2019 8:34am
OK got this far

Is this where I edit the .xml file

How do I give each chart a different magic # and how do I give each chart a separate set of parameters?

Do I need to edit and save an individual .xml file for each symbol and setfile.

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  • #204
  • Oct 9, 2019 8:49am Oct 9, 2019 8:49am
Quoting cfudge
OK got this far Is this where I edit the .xml file How do I give each chart a different magic # and how do I give each chart a separate set of parameters? Do I need to edit and save an individual .xml file for each symbol and setfile. {image}
Please do not complicate it for now. Use for now only one chart with one EA and one XML. Use for example five symbols. Please try it.
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  • #205
  • Oct 9, 2019 9:05am Oct 9, 2019 9:05am
Quoting JoeeF
{quote} Please do not complicate it for now. Use for now only one chart with one EA and one XML. Use for example five symbols. Please try it. {image}
You are failing to consider the typical mindset on FF: If it is simple, it can't POSSIBLY be profitable.
So, add more indicators. And more instruments. Add more timeframes. Add more rules. Make the rules sound specific while also being vague. THEN you will finally have the readers' attention.
To free Gazans of Hamas, use whatever it takes.
  • #206
  • Oct 9, 2019 9:08am Oct 9, 2019 9:08am
Quoting DrDave
{quote} You are failing to consider the typical mindset on FF: If it is simple, it can't POSSIBLY be profitable. So, add more indicators. And more instruments. Add more timeframes. Add more rules. Make the rules sound specific while also being vague. THEN you will finally have the readers' attention.
Hi Dave
I was asking because each TF and pair has a distinctive set file. because we are trying to mirror the HTF settings.

I don't want a fucking spoon to be fed, I just want to ask questions and have answers...not condescension. But thanks anyway.
  • #207
  • Oct 9, 2019 9:17am Oct 9, 2019 9:17am
Quoting cfudge
{quote} Hi Dave I was asking because each TF and pair has a distinctive set file. because we are trying to mirror the HTF settings. I don't want a fucking spoon to be fed, I just want to ask questions and have answers...not condescension. But thanks anyway.
Please, in XML that I've putted a post above edit your proper symbols and periods. Edit settings for FramaRibbon and xSuperTrend too. Yes those settings will be common for all those symbols. For now. Please try it. Check if EA is working properly. We need it.

Later I'll show you how you can change configuration in few clicks.
And you will leave pain to take care of itself.
  • #208
  • Oct 9, 2019 9:34am Oct 9, 2019 9:34am
Quoting DrDave
{quote} You are failing to consider the typical mindset on FF: If it is simple, it can't POSSIBLY be profitable. So, add more indicators. And more instruments. Add more timeframes. Add more rules. Make the rules sound specific while also being vague. THEN you will finally have the readers' attention.
I've supposed that using XML configuration will be for people easy. Now I'm experiencing a lot of issues.
regards
And you will leave pain to take care of itself.
  • #209
  • Oct 9, 2019 10:04am Oct 9, 2019 10:04am
Quoting JoeeF
{quote} I've supposed that using XML configuration will be for people easy. Now I'm experiencing a lot of issues. regards
Hi Joe,

After some tinkering- I was able to make the EA work. My focus was on checking the functionality of the EA- to expedite the testing- i used only one symbol on 1 Minute Time Frame and the higher time frame being 5 Minutes.

EDIT- Used this version of EA-

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...7#post12538197

These are the settings:

1. Frama Ribbon:

time frame- 5 minutes
frama period- 2.0
frama multiplier- 1.0
signal multiplier-2.5

2. Super Trend:

time frame-current
super trend period-10
super trend multiplier-1.0

Attached:

1. XML file used-

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File Type: xml JFFRST.xml   4 KB | 265 downloads


2. Log File by the JFF frame work-

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File Type: txt JFFRST_EURUSD_2019.10.09.txt   7 KB | 302 downloads


(changed the file extension from .log to .txt as ff wasn't allowing to upload)

3. Screen shot of trades taken by EA

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Something is amiss in the EA- One sell trade it took after the close of orange dot, but closed it after some time i.e. even without dot of no opposite color- opened one sell order without any orange dot and closed it again- similarly next trade as well.


It took me some time tinkering with the xml file-wanted to test multiple symbols, but in the end was able to do only for one symbol- One major request is, if you could convert the xml file parameters into drop-down options in the input sections- It is not due to lack of trying or effort-the xml file has many dots,commas, shifting here and there- Also the fact that it is made complex by the strategy requiring different settings for each symbol and time frame. I mean, the strategy creator{Chris} can focus on tweaking the functionality of strategy, while the rest can help in testing the functionality of EA etc...

Once again-appreciate what you have done so far...

Thanks
  • #210
  • Oct 9, 2019 10:07am Oct 9, 2019 10:07am
Quoting cfudge
{quote} Hi Dave I was asking because each TF and pair has a distinctive set file. because we are trying to mirror the HTF settings. I don't want a fucking spoon to be fed, I just want to ask questions and have answers...not condescension. But thanks anyway.
Chris, you need to distinguish between sarcasm and condescension.
To free Gazans of Hamas, use whatever it takes.
  • #211
  • Oct 9, 2019 10:44am Oct 9, 2019 10:44am
Quoting aaven
It took me some time tinkering with the xml file-wanted to test multiple symbols, but in the end was able to do only for one symbol
Why. Simply add another one. One simple row.
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Quoting aaven
One major request is, if you could convert the xml file parameters into drop-down options in the input sections
Yes some inputs I'll put into inputs tab. Anyway, firstly we need to solve problem with repainting. More in my next post.
Quoting aaven
Also the fact that it is made complex by the strategy requiring different settings for each symbol and time frame.
It's as simple as copy and paste trading strategy:
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I'll continue in the next post ...
And you will leave pain to take care of itself.
  • #212
  • Oct 9, 2019 11:16am Oct 9, 2019 11:16am
Quoting JoeeF
{quote} Why. Simply add another one. One simple row. {image} {quote} Yes some inputs I'll put into inputs tab. Anyway, firstly we need to solve problem with repainting. More in my next post. {quote} It's as simple as copy and paste trading strategy: {image} I'll continue in the next post ...
Thanks Joe- At this point- to test the EA- i feel one symbol is enough-Looking forward to your next post- about the repainting...
  • #213
  • Oct 9, 2019 11:29am Oct 9, 2019 11:29am
Quoting aaven
{quote} Thanks Joe- At this point- to test the EA- i feel one symbol is enough-Looking forward to your next post- about the repainting...
One symbol for now is enough. Definitely yes. I agree.
Anyway you've pointed:
Quoting aaven
but in the end was able to do only for one symbol
That was weird for me. You need to add only one simple row ...
And you will leave pain to take care of itself.
  • #214
  • Oct 9, 2019 1:22pm Oct 9, 2019 1:22pm
Quoting aaven
{quote} Hi Joe, After some tinkering- I was able to make the EA work. My focus was on checking the functionality of the EA- to expedite the testing- i used only one symbol on 1 Minute Time Frame and the higher time frame being 5 Minutes. EDIT- Used this version of EA- https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...7#post12538197 These are the settings: 1. Frama Ribbon: time frame- 5 minutes frama period- 2.0 frama multiplier- 1.0 signal multiplier-2.5 2. Super Trend: time frame-current super trend period-10 super trend multiplier-1.0...
It's very tough to check proper functionality when FramaRibbon TimeFrame isn't the same as working timeframe.
You cannot check it on the chart.
Please look at this post.

To check proper functionality you need use the same period. And it would be wise to use a little bit higher period. For example 30 minutes.
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Now you can check it on the chart.
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  • #215
  • Oct 9, 2019 2:05pm Oct 9, 2019 2:05pm
Quoting JoeeF
{quote} It's very tough to check proper functionality when FramaRibbon TimeFrame isn't the same as working timeframe. You cannot check it on the chart. Please look at this post. To check proper functionality you need use the same period. And it would be wise to use a little bit higher period. For example 30 minutes. {image} {image} Now you can check it on the chart. {image}
Joe,

I want to apologize if i didn't make it clear... The trades which i attached were taken in real time{demo}- I did not use the strategy tester...

My understanding is, though the higher time time frame is small i.e.{5 Minutes} the behavior of the EA shouldn't change, so i just watched the trades in real time.

Strategy tester results are not that reliable- I feel it will make your job if we strip that layer away {strategy tester-not giving it focus} and just focus on the leanest version of working EA...

This is my thinking:

In the end it is about Efficiency of the strategy- How good the strategy is, that is something we will know as we keep getting the sample trades. This is something Chris{strategy creator} has to be in the driving seat- He can designate various permutation/combinations of time frames- Example-I can take one set of parameters and test in real time, others can take another set etc...

Prior to this happening, we need to check whether the EA is working as per the logic and co-ordinate with you to sort out any logic errors or bugs- for this also, it makes sense to have multiple people testing the EA- As you can see, people are struggling a bit with the xml- what i mean to say is, by wrapping this-we will have uniformity-since we can just choose from the input parameters i.e. there is no scope to commit any errors or for you to keep replying and troubleshooting each person...

I really hope, i do not come as a broken record...

Thanks
  • #216
  • Oct 9, 2019 2:10pm Oct 9, 2019 2:10pm
Quoting aaven
{quote} Joe, I want to apologize if i didn't make it clear... The trades which i attached were taken in real time{demo}- I did not use the strategy tester... My understanding is, though the higher time time frame is small i.e.{5 Minutes} the behavior of the EA shouldn't change, so i just watched the trades in real time. Strategy tester results are not that reliable- I feel it will make your job if we strip that layer away {strategy tester-not giving it focus} and just focus on the leanest version of working EA... This is my thinking: In the end...
In short, scrap the EA with XML settings. Create EA that uses ex4 file only (using input settings from drop down i.e like 99% of EAs) we can iron out any bugs, test logic etc. As it's much easier to test. Then in future when bugs are ironed out, re-introduce the .XML version so we can then test an array of strategies.

Well, that's how I read aaven's ever so polite reply.

Basically we are simpletons who cant figure out computer stuff!
  • #217
  • Edited 2:54pm Oct 9, 2019 2:36pm | Edited 2:54pm
Quoting aaven
we need to check whether the EA is working as per the logic and co-ordinate with you to sort out any logic errors or bugs
1) I'm repeating this again and again and again ...
2) Please read what I'm writing. If you use different working period and FramaRibbon period (for example M1 and M5) you cannot check results on the chart. Regardless if it is live/demo/tester ... It's due to FramaRibbon behavior.

Take care,
Joe
And you will leave pain to take care of itself.
  • #218
  • Oct 9, 2019 2:56pm Oct 9, 2019 2:56pm
Quoting JoeeF
{quote} 1) I'm repeating this again and again and again ... 2) Please read what I'm writing. If you use different working period and FramaRibbon period you cannot check results on the chart. Regardless if it is live/demo/tester ...
Joe,

Can you Please help me understand:

Can an ea be designed that can execute trades/orders in real time that uses different working period and Frama Ribbon period?

Thanks
  • #219
  • Oct 9, 2019 3:08pm Oct 9, 2019 3:08pm
Quoting aaven
{quote} Joe, Can you Please help me understand: Can an ea be designed that can execute trades/orders in real time that uses different working period and Frama Ribbon period? Thanks
Of course yes. Anyway you won't be able to check results on the chart due to repainting behavior of the indicator.
And you will leave pain to take care of itself.
  • #220
  • Oct 9, 2019 3:16pm Oct 9, 2019 3:16pm
Quoting JoeeF
{quote} Of course yes. Anyway you won't be able to check results on the chart due to repainting behavior of the indicator.
Thank you Joe... I too agree- because of the repainting we cannot check the results based on the charts...

We are on the same page...

What i was trying to convey was: We let the EA take the trades in real time- after x number of trades-example- 20 trades- we look at the winning percentages-maximum draw down etc... this will give the efficiency of strategy...

Really appreciate your patience so far...

Thanks
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