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Quoting taxfreelt
{quote} Next week on EURUSD {image}
End of this week and next week. Must be down week until 11.09

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What's the point of putting out a prediction when you are putting out the opposite direction also as a prediction.
I mean in that way you will always be right, but in trading you will make huge losses while being wrong on your first prediction.

Cycle analysis is all about choosing 1 prediction that has a high % of succeeding.
If you don't get that high % it's not worth mentioning/trading.

Just my thought's on this, since i have been able to predict pretty accurate i do also understand that software is not the way to go if you don't have the fundamentals of cycle analysis. That's also what my mentor said to me 100X.

I have seen people in here talking about cycles and software outputs, prediction lines etc ..
This discussion has been going on for 10 years but still there is no golden setting to use in the software or not even 1 edge which can be used over and over again.
Start by reading books about astrology/astronomy, watch which traders in history has been succesful using these techniques and learn from them.

The knowledge is out there, you just got to spend 1000's of hours studying and searching maybe to only find 1 cycle.
But that 1 cycle / technique can be life changing!

Software is a shortcut.

Also..

Why would astrologers make this kind of software? Because they are not able to predict the markets with astrology.
For their astrology consultent predictions they don't need any software and they are able to predict human lives very very accurate.

Problem here is that the rules of normal astrology doesn't count in the financial astrology. That's why so many softwares are out there.
Only a few of them are good software, but still the software can't be used succesfully without the right knowledge.


Just a golden tip here..
Not trying to attack anyone in here so don't take it personal because i know some will..
All i want to do in here is show some traders the right path in the cycle analysis field which will lead to succes.
Just passing on what my mentor teached me for years.
Quoting Gann1993
Not trying to attack anyone in here so don't take it personal because i know some will.. All i want to do in here is show some traders the right path in the cycle analysis field which will lead to succes. Just passing on what my mentor teached me for years.

The underlying problem is that the number of cycles is almost infinite in practice.
What cycles do you mean, the synodic, anomalistic, sidereal, retrogradations, etcetera?
Nothing that is not well tested in historical prices has reliability.
I have been testing the DJIA since 1896 and I know the limits of astrology in this subject. That is why I usually say that it is necessary to combine it with some other system.

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Results of this week:

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Prediction for next week:

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End of the week recap: 55 pips based on post 10,540, Sept. 1

I posted that I was replacing the original forecast with 10,540.
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Quoting Gann1993
Not trying to attack anyone in here so don't take it personal because i know some will.. All i want to do in here is show some traders the right path in the cycle analysis field which will lead to succes. Just passing on what my mentor teached me for years.

Great, Gann1993... do post your ideas and share them. This is a teaching/learning forum. All are welcome. I noticed that you have been working on a time based EA with RSI entries. I have been searching for this very thing for a couple of years now... I would like to automate entering trades on the long swings I am anticipating. Perhaps I can help fine tune the EA you are working on.

The attached image shows an almost 100 pip improvement in the outcome of my forecast from Sept. 1... The mindset was a long position all week... if an EA could enter long when an 8 period smoothed MA derived from a 33 period RSI crosses the 40 level from below 40 and exits the trade when the 75 period RSI crosses the 60 level from above, it would be a big help. 150 pips vs 55 pips for week.
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Outlook for next week.... I used a 100,200,400 RPO for detrending the Spectrum cycle, harmonic box distillation. Settings below. 30 min EUR/USD, 10,000 bars
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Jerry,

Re. post #10548

How do you intend to "handle" the divergences of the RSI indicator ?

https://school.stockcharts.com/doku....ngth_index_rsi

Sixer
Quoting Gann1993
This discussion has been going on for 10 years but still there is no golden setting to use in the software or not even 1 edge which can be used over and over again.

Only a few of them are good software, but still the software can't be used succesfully without the right knowledge. Just a golden tip here..
Simply said, yes and yes, although the 2nd statement contradicts the 1st.
Financial astrology cycles are fixed, they do not change and are pretty straighforward.
That is why I don't like using Timingsolutions to calculate cycles. In hindsight everything is 20/20 but a simple consistent setting I haven't seen yet.
Now, that is not to say that good software and good cycles haven't been posted here, they have, but you need the knowledge to recognize them.

Plenty of good software has been posted here. You only need a few simple programs, but a lot of knowledge, with that I agree.
Actually, you don't need any software at all. Gann did it with a pencil and a ruler.
Quoting Ilovepippin
{quote} Simply said, yes and yes, although the 2nd statement contradicts the 1st. Financial astrology cycles are fixed, they do not change and are pretty straighforward. That is why I don't like using Timingsolutions to calculate cycles. In hindsight everything is 20/20 but a simple consistent setting I haven't seen yet. Now, that is not to say that good software and good cycles haven't been posted here, they have, but you need the knowledge to recognize them. Plenty of good software has been posted here. You only need a few simple programs, but...

True..

I was only trying to make 1 point: we don't need software for cycle analysis
only software without knowledge isn't going to help traders , it's only going to confuse them.
But if you got the knowledge then we can use specific parts of the software to get faster analysis and more confirmations.

But exactly like you said you don't have to use software to predict the markets very accurate.
Gann didn't even had a calculator, which was a major advantage for him back in the time.
Since he created his own calculators on paper, which are 100x more effective in trading than the latest software on the fastest computer that costs 10000's of $.

I just have my own way of explaining which is not always the best way, but we get to the same point.
Always nice to discuss with you @Ilovepippin
Quoting Ilovepippin
{quote} Simply said, yes and yes, although the 2nd statement contradicts the 1st. Financial astrology cycles are fixed, they do not change and are pretty straighforward. That is why I don't like using Timingsolutions to calculate cycles. In hindsight everything is 20/20 but a simple consistent setting I haven't seen yet. Now, that is not to say that good software and good cycles haven't been posted here, they have, but you need the knowledge to recognize them. Plenty of good software has been posted here. You only need a few simple programs, but...

Some considerations about Gann:
1. W.D. Gann could never do scientific astrology because he lacked the statistical means to do so.
2. Gann's vibration law is the third law of the Kybalion.
3. Gann sought the application in the markets of the sixth law of Kybalion in astrology. But Gann's use of astrology was extremely rudimentary. Gann was not an astrologer. I didn't know astrology.
4. The Kybalion was written in 1908. Possibly by William Walker Atkinson.
5. Gann recommended reading poor books that lack practical utility
6. If Gann had earned a lot of money in the markets he would not have had the need to sell courses in his old age.

In my humble opinion, W.D. Gann is a myth that is still alive because it is used to sell books, courses and software.

The good news:
1. We do have the means to do scientific astrology applied to markets.
2. Markets work in an extremely simple way following astrological influences.

The bad news:
1. Studying this may require the time of a lifetime or it can be very easy to find. Depending on the luck you have and the work you apply.

Sorry for my bad English!
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Quoting Suryananda
{quote} Some considerations about Gann: 1. W.D. Gann could never do scientific astrology because he lacked the statistical means to do so. 2. Gann's vibration law is the third law of the Kybalion. 3. Gann sought the application in the markets of the sixth law of Kybalion in astrology. But Gann's use of astrology was extremely rudimentary. Gann was not an astrologer. I didn't know astrology. 4. The Kybalion was written in 1908. Possibly by William Walker Atkinson. 5. Gann recommended reading poor books that lack practical utility 6. If Gann had earned...

Haha
So let me get it right..

You are a 100% believer in astrology. But you don't believe there was a trading legend who used astrology to predict the markets?
Just like there are 100's of legends just like him ..

It's not even a question. 1000's of real documents that date from that time which you can all find on internet which proves everything he did in his life.
There is no myth since there are his students, family and partners who all confirmed his knowledge and wealth.

Please do your research first before saying things like that.
There are new traders reading this forum trying to find real value in the financial astronomy/W.D. Gann field and if they read things like your last post it could discourage them for no reason, because there is no proof of your statements.

And there is LOTS of proof of his succes and wealth.

Here is a very rare picture attached of W.D. Gann with his own plane "Silver Star".
Now let me ask you this:

How rich do you think you would have to be to have an personal airplane back in that time?!
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[quote = Gann1993; 12489927] {quote} Jaja Así que déjame hacerlo bien ... Eres un 100% creyente en la astrología. ¿Pero no crees que hubo una leyenda comercial que utilizó la astrología para predecir los mercados?Al igual que hay cientos de leyendas como él ... Ni siquiera es una pregunta. Miles de documentos reales que datan de esa época y que todos pueden encontrar en Internet, lo que demuestra todo lo que hizo en su vida. No hay mito, ya que hay estudiantes, familiares y socios que confirmaron su conocimiento y riqueza. Haga su investigación primero antes de decir cosas así. Hay nuevos operadores que leen este foro tratando de encontrar un valor real en el campo de astronomía financiera / WD Gann y si leen cosas como su última publicación, podrían desanimarlos sin ninguna razón, porque no hay prueba de sus declaraciones. Y hay MUCHAS pruebas de su éxito y riqueza. Aquí hay una imagen muy rara adjunta de WD Gann con su propio avión "Silver Star". Ahora déjenme preguntarles esto: {imagen} [/ cita]


I am a scientific astrologer. I have greater knowledge of astrology than most. Authentic knowledge based on real statistics. Not in unprovable beliefs.

When I say that Gann's books are useless for astrological purposes I say it with full knowledge of the cause.
How many people have managed to get rich reading those books? I believe nobody. Do you believe it or have you really seen it?

Gann created his own commercial myth around astrology because before the Second War many people still believed in astrology. That allowed him to have many stock agencies. When he did not have the agencies he was forced to sell courses.
Why did Gann have to sell courses for a living at the end of his life?

Have you already bought your personal plane? Your plane won't be a drone or a kite?
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Quoting Suryananda
[quote = Gann1993; 12489927] Gann created his own commercial myth around astrology because before the Second War many people still believed in astrology. That allowed him to have many stock agencies. When he did not have the agencies he was forced to sell courses. Why did Gann have to sell courses for a living at the end of his life? Have you already bought your personal plane? Your plane won't be a drone or a kite? .
I kind of agree with you. Gann was not talking about astrology rather he was using Astronomy terminology. Examples: All stars aligned means that price and some sort of pivots or Fibonacci confluence. Vibration, the expansion of the universe is simply astronomy observation of the aftermath of Big Bang, hence the concept of price expand and contract.

As of now I'm flying a drone into the tunnel thru the air, and the universe is still expanding, hence cannot reach my destination.
[quote = failinforex; 12490206] {quote} Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Gann no estaba hablando de astrología sino que estaba usando terminología de astronomía. Ejemplos: Todas las estrellas alineadas significan ese precio y algún tipo de pivotes o confluencia de Fibonacci. Vibración, la expansión del universo es simplemente una observación astronómica de las secuelas del Big Bang, de ahí el concepto de expansión y contracción del precio. A partir de ahora estoy volando un avión no tripulado en el túnel a través del aire, y el universo todavía se está expandiendo, por lo tanto, no puedo llegar a mi destino. [/ Quote]

Controversy[edit]
There has been a general disagreement whether Gann himself made profits by speculation.[45][46] Alexander Elder, in his book Trading for a Living,[11] said “I interviewed W.D. Gann’s son, an analyst for a Boston bank. He told me that his famous father could not support his family by trading but earned his living by writing and selling instructional courses. When W.D. Gann died in the 1950’s, his estate, including his house, was valued at slightly over $100,000.” Larry Williams, in the book The Right Stock at the Right Time,[12] also stated he met W.D Gann's son. Larry Williams stated that John Gann said “He asked why if his dad was a good as everyone said, the son was still smiling and dialing calling up customers to trade”. Larry Williams in the same book says “I also met F.B Thatcher who had been Gann’s promoter and advance man who said that Gann was just a good promoter, not necessarily a good stock trader”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Delbert_Gann

I personally think that Gann was a good reader of the tape. This coupled with some astronomical knowledge gave him a lot of edge while he had access to the tape. When he lost access to the tape he could not continue winning in the markets. Then he was forced to sell courses.

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Quoting Sixer
Jerry, Re. post #10548 How do you intend to "handle" the divergences of the RSI indicator ? https://school.stockcharts.com/doku....ngth_index_rsi Sixer
I'm not even close to being able to back test this idea for its practicality. I would like to find an EA though that would allow me to simply enter dates and times to take trades on a weekly basis... I would start with that.
Quoting Suryananda
[quote = failinforex; 12490206] {quote} Estoy de acuerdo contigo. Gann no estaba hablando de astrología sino que estaba usando terminología de astronomía. Ejemplos: Todas las estrellas alineadas significan ese precio y algún tipo de pivotes o confluencia de Fibonacci. Vibración, la expansión del universo es simplemente una observación astronómica de las secuelas del Big Bang, de ahí el concepto de expansión y contracción del precio. A partir de ahora estoy volando un avión no tripulado en el túnel a través del aire, y el universo todavía se está...

Yes offcourse i have seen it , because i use it myself to trade profitably.
My mentors also use it and believe me there is NOBODY in the world who can predict this accurate.
We can predict every turn for every market every week of the following year, we can predict the date for the next recession, we can predict that you will never be able to do just that because you are not open minded.

You say you have greater knowledge then the most about astrology?
That's the problem with astrologers in this field.
Indeed gann was not an astrologer, and that's why he was so great.
He believed in astrology and used an personal astrologer to predict phases in his life.

What he used was more scientific, because astrology was not proven to work and was not practical in financial markets.
He created his own Astronomy/Mathematical calculations which are 100% sure, scientific and tested for more then 100 years.

I use this myself, just like my mentor, just like his mentor, just like those other 1000's of traders which you do not hear about because they don't need to be talking about it online like i do. They just take those big ass profits, smile, and sit on a beach.

If you don't believe in W.D. Gann field which has been arround for +100 years which has been proven again and again and again.
Which is used in the most advanced most expensive software you could ever buy used by banks like JP Morgan.
He decoded the bible which you didn't do yet, did you decode tunnel thru the air? I dont think so ..

So what are you talking about, if you don't really know the knowledge you are talking about?
My friend then you are soooo wrong. I'm sorry to dissapoint you.
Gann is real


If you would have decoded the tunnel thru the air then you would know for 1000% that it is all real.
Because the knowledge this genius had back in the time will nobody ever have, we gann experts only know 20% of his knowledge and even that is more then enough to be making profits for the rest of my life.

It's like looking back at Albert Einstein, there will never be a genius just like him.
And if you don't believe in gann that's fine for me, it's not my goal to turn non believers into believers.

But i think it's really funny

It's like you are buying a Tesla car, because you believe in Tesla technology, you love the work of Elon Musk..

But you don't know a thing about Nikola Tesla and if someone says Nikola Tesla is the brain behind the technology you start right away saying his inventions are not working because Nikola Tesla was not rich, and Elon Musk is.

But the fact is that Elon Musk is just a business guy, and Nikola Tesla was the biggest genius ever lived on earth to my opinion.
Now why did Nikola Tesla didn't have money, because he didn't focus on that. He just wanted to make new inventions to help the world.

W.D. Gann comes from the same time as Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla. W.D. Gann had also connections with the smartest people from that time from which he could learn.

Again, how rich do you think you had to be back in that time to have your own personal plane?
He had 2 in his life.
People in here are still dreaming about having their own plane, this guy had 2 planes 100 years ago not long after the invention of the plane. LOL

How do you explain gann's predictions he made from 1940 untill this day today.
His predictions are still EXACTLY on point. And believe me he made ALOT of predictions that would continue after his death. And they still continue..

I'm not going to spend more time on this because now the real gann students can look for them self and will quickly realize what's true and what not.
If you are this great as you are telling yourself, let's do a prediction competition..

You choose the market and predict the next 30 days.
I will do my own analysis and we can compare it against each other.

Anyway if you have the balls to do this.
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