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  • #5,481
  • Aug 2, 2019 5:37am Aug 2, 2019 5:37am
Quoting rogertaggart
{quote} Hi R4M, Can you provide a screen shot of the settings used for this test. I know they are at the top of the report but is easier to read from the dialogue box. I want to run this test in visible mode to watch the behaviour Thx in advance Roger PS can you post a link to the latest updated EA thx
@rogertaggart -- In my post above I include a link to the latest software release.

As for settings -- there's only a few. It shouldn't be too hard to pick them out of the Strategy Report. It was just a test -- I'm not using those settings in real trading. And, of course you know that Strategy Tester is completely, totally, absolutely, without any doubt, UNRELIABLE. You will NOT get those results when trading live Real or Demo accounts.
  • #5,482
  • Aug 2, 2019 6:21am Aug 2, 2019 6:21am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @FiveRows -- so, you know, this was a very, very good bug. It took awhile to figure out, but I believe it should be fixed in the next release, which I will update shortly. Thank you -- this was an excellent catch... The screen shots below show that the different types of exits give different results. The settings have not been optimized, so don't read too much into the statistics. The point I wanted to make is they are different. Oh, yes, I almost forgot. When testing Exits it is important to set the TP very high so that only Exits cause...
Glad to be of assistance R4M.
Your quick response and skill in coding is exceptional.
Thankyou.
  • #5,483
  • Aug 2, 2019 7:42am Aug 2, 2019 7:42am
I knew the problem with the indicators from the beginning, but I was surprised to see the R4M's ability and new aspects of it, and the merchants eventually understood the market's flow and couldn't change the market.
  • #5,484
  • Aug 2, 2019 8:09am Aug 2, 2019 8:09am
Quoting spae11
I knew the problem with the indicators from the beginning, but I was surprised to see the R4M's ability and new aspects of it, and the merchants eventually understood the market's flow and couldn't change the market.
What are you talking about?
Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #5,485
  • Aug 2, 2019 9:01am Aug 2, 2019 9:01am
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} What are you talking about?
I'll give you a quick summary. I got a different way than the way I wanted to do it by the system of R4m. And so I said, all merchants can't change the flow of the market after all, and they follow. It's a tragic story after all. Obviously, unsatisfied merchants will find the market confusing as the success rate increases, and it will only make the coder difficult.
  • #5,486
  • Aug 2, 2019 1:38pm Aug 2, 2019 1:38pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @alblive -- they are independent signals.
so why does 'cc plus + fractals' not show a dot, but setting it to just 'fractals' does have a dot? shouldn't the first setting keep the fractal dot there regardless if there is any cc dot as well?
edit: and not just the dot i circled. but many/all of the dots seem to change when changing this setting back and forth.
  • #5,487
  • Aug 2, 2019 4:28pm Aug 2, 2019 4:28pm
Quoting alblive
{quote} so why does 'cc plus + fractals' not show a dot, but setting it to just 'fractals' does have a dot? shouldn't the first setting keep the fractal dot there regardless if there is any cc dot as well? edit: and not just the dot i circled. but many/all of the dots seem to change when changing this setting back and forth.
@alblive -- thanks for the report. I'll take a closer look. Lately I've only been using CC and have been ignoring Fractals. But you are right -- you should see both and that was the intention.
  • #5,488
  • Aug 2, 2019 5:21pm Aug 2, 2019 5:21pm
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Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #5,489
  • Aug 2, 2019 5:30pm Aug 2, 2019 5:30pm
Quoting Robot Trader
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@Robot Trader -- the most common scenario to date is to place the indicator on its own chart and use a symbol changer.

I have alternative idea -- if the indicator detects that it is attached to the same chart as the EA then it won't display its text -- i.e. only the EA's text will be visible. Would that work?
  • #5,490
  • Aug 2, 2019 5:39pm Aug 2, 2019 5:39pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Robot Trader -- the most common scenario to date is to place the indicator on its own chart and use a symbol changer. I have alternative idea -- if the indicator detects that it is attached to the same chart as the EA then it won't display its text -- i.e. only the EA's text will be visible. Would that work?
Hi R4M,

That sounds good, it is just a visual check to make sure the EA and Indicator are set to the same values, so another idea would be that the EA automatically loads the indicator with values that have been set in the EA.

Regards

RT
Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #5,491
  • Aug 2, 2019 5:53pm Aug 2, 2019 5:53pm
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} Hi R4M, That sounds good, it is just a visual check to make sure the EA and Indicator are set to the same values, so another idea would be that the EA automatically loads the indicator with values that have been set in the EA. Regards RT
@Robot Trader -- nope. That may work for you, but not for others. That's definitely opening a can of worms.

You should definitely consider using the indicator in it's own chart with a symbol and time changer. Not only is it useful for checking other pairs, but also to see how the indicator and it's signals appear at different time frames. When the indicator is attached to a chart with an EA then you can't change anything because then the EA exits, reloads and uses a different data feed from your broker.
  • #5,492
  • Aug 2, 2019 6:02pm Aug 2, 2019 6:02pm
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} Hi R4M, That sounds good, it is just a visual check to make sure the EA and Indicator are set to the same values, so another idea would be that the EA automatically loads the indicator with values that have been set in the EA. Regards RT
@Robot Trader -- in my previous post I may have responded without thinking -- which would be a first...

Let me think about it. I don't use the single trading EA -- just the AllPairs and Dashboard EAs -- so I have't given much thought to usability. Yours might be a good idea. After taking my dog for a walk then it will become more clear.
  • #5,493
  • Aug 2, 2019 6:11pm Aug 2, 2019 6:11pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Robot Trader -- nope. That may work for you, but not for others. That's definitely opening a can of worms. You should definitely consider using the indicator in it's own chart with a symbol and time changer. Not only is it useful for checking other pairs, but also to see how the indicator and it's signals appear at different time frames. When the indicator is attached to a chart with an EA then you can't change anything because then the EA exits, reloads and uses a different data feed from your broker.
I do use the indicator on its own chart without the EA and if a want to flick through different currency pairs, I just simply drag one onto the chart from Market Watch and the indicator resets itself to that pair, very very simple to do.

It's down to how you have designed everything, I would rather know what the EA is doing with my money, so if the EA can only display the indicator setting it is using on the chart it is trading from then when it pulls the trigger, I know at a glance WHY it did so, I don't have to check if the Indicator and EA have exactly the same settings.

But it goes without saying that you always think differently to me
Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #5,494
  • Edited 7:53pm Aug 2, 2019 7:05pm | Edited 7:53pm
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} I do use the indicator on its own chart without the EA and if a want to flick through different currency pairs, I just simply drag one onto the chart from Market Watch and the indicator resets itself to that pair, very very simple to do. It's down to how you have designed everything, I would rather know what the EA is doing with my money, so if the EA can only display the indicator setting it is using on the chart it is trading from then when it pulls the trigger, I know at a glance WHY it did so, I don't have to check if the Indicator and...
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I do use the indicator on its own chart without the EA and if a want to flick through different currency pairs, I just simply drag one onto the chart from Market Watch and the indicator resets itself to that pair, very very simple to do.

Ahhh -- @Robot Trader -- the pairs may match but the settings wouldn't.

It is possible to launch an indicator from an EA -- but it becomes a little project to launch and pass settings. It can be done, but your scenario is not a common one. Why you wouldn't be interested in using the AllPairs EA escapes me. The single trading EA is primarily intended for back testing in Strategy Tester because it uses the same code as the single trading EA.

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I don't have to check if the Indicator and EA have exactly the same settings.
But you do. If they don't have the same settings then why bother -- the markings would be irrelevant. If you are only interested in the bands then why not drop an uninterpolated TMA on the chart? Why does it have to be the BD indicator?

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But it goes without saying that you always think differently to me
Because I think like a programmer -- I'm the guy who ultimately has to lay the bricks. Traders sit in comfy offices with 3x 30" monitors waving their hands about "just" doing this and that and without taking into account the benefit vs the cost. And by cost I don't mean money -- I mean time to develop and how many people would actually find it useful.
  • #5,495
  • Aug 2, 2019 8:33pm Aug 2, 2019 8:33pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} {quote} Ahhh -- @Robot Trader -- the pairs may match but the settings wouldn't. It is possible to launch an indicator from an EA -- but it becomes a little project to launch and pass settings. It can be done, but your scenario is not a common one. Why you wouldn't be interested in using the AllPairs EA escapes me. The single trading EA is primarily intended for back testing in Strategy Tester because it uses the same code as the single trading EA. {quote} But you do. If they don't have the same settings then why bother -- the markings would...
The AllPairs EA does not at a glance show me what the EA is doing with every currency pair that it is trading and the Single EA does BT's, but does not do them in visual mode with Tick data, because the Indicator will not display, which I find odd, because my correlation EA that needs to get data from Currency Pairs A & B and do a lot more calculations because of those unnecessary Money Management parameters that also need to be calculated and checked before each and every trade is opened, so with your EA one needs to babysit it in it's Single EA version while Forward Testing in a Demo Account, to see if it is really following the rules and thus can be relied upon to open/close trades correctly.

Developing EA's is a process, where you need to check out each and every parameter and this for me with your EA is made more difficult due to not being able to see what it is doing during a BT, for other members this may not be how they do their due diligence, but when I look at a BT graph and see a spike down, I normally do a small BT during that period of the spike down (the loss) in visual mode to see what was happening, I do not have the ability to do that with your EA.
Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #5,496
  • Aug 3, 2019 3:09am Aug 3, 2019 3:09am
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} The AllPairs EA does not at a glance show me what the EA is doing with every currency pair that it is trading and the Single EA does BT's, but does not do them in visual mode with Tick data, because the Indicator will not display, which I find odd, because my correlation EA that needs to get data from Currency Pairs A & B and do a lot more calculations because of those unnecessary Money Management parameters that also need to be calculated and checked before each and every trade is opened, so with your EA one needs to babysit it in it's...
You are spot on devceloping EA's is a process
  • #5,497
  • Aug 3, 2019 10:10am Aug 3, 2019 10:10am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Robot Trader -- the most common scenario to date is to place the indicator on its own chart and use a symbol changer. I have alternative idea -- if the indicator detects that it is attached to the same chart as the EA then it won't display its text -- i.e. only the EA's text will be visible. Would that work?
Hi when i applied Your indicator on mt4 my mt4 stuck. Irtum indicator and Bd Adr ...why this is happening with me???
  • #5,498
  • Aug 3, 2019 11:45am Aug 3, 2019 11:45am
Quoting greenfxx
{quote} Hi when i applied Your indicator on mt4 my mt4 stuck. Irtum indicator and Bd Adr ...why this is happening with me???
@greenfxx -- forget about the IRUTM indicator. Only use the R4M-BD-ADR indicator.
  • #5,499
  • Edited 2:10pm Aug 3, 2019 1:55pm | Edited 2:10pm
R4M-BD-ADR EA v19214

Hello R4M,

there must be something wrong with the exit conditions either on the Strategy Tester or the EA. I did a BT on GBPUSD with CC entry and exit Midline cross, SL ADR fraction=3 and got these results as an excerpt:

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As you may see for example on O.Nr. 30 sell opened at 1.30202... SL was 1.32372 but got closed by Midline Cross (?) at 1.31334 for a loss of 100.41. I do remember on a earlier post you explained this:

"2. Hard-coded MAX Stop
We use a StopLoss. The StopLoss is computed as a fraction of the ADR and registered with the broker at the time a trade is opened. It always takes priority over an Exit condition. The input setting 'StopLossFractionADR' is configurable."

Therefore that close of the sell order above actually shouldn't has been executed yet. Can you please check it...thanks.
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  • #5,500
  • Aug 3, 2019 3:26pm Aug 3, 2019 3:26pm
Quoting jdva
R4M-BD-ADR EA v19214 Hello R4M, there must be something wrong with the exit conditions either on the Strategy Tester or the EA. I did a BT on GBPUSD with CC entry and exit Midline cross, SL ADR fraction=3 and got these results as an excerpt: {image} As you may see for example on O.Nr. 30 sell opened at 1.30202... SL was 1.32372 but got closed by Midline Cross (?) at 1.31334 for a loss of 100.41. I do remember on a earlier post you explained this: "2. Hard-coded MAX Stop We use a StopLoss. The StopLoss is computed as a fraction of the ADR and registered...
@jdva -- thanks for the report. Could you upload a screen shot of the Strategy Tester Report -- complete with data horizon and settings, and then I should be able to reproduce it and take a closer look.
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