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  • #5,081
  • Jul 19, 2019 6:43am Jul 19, 2019 6:43am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @jdva -- no burden. Please keep the reports coming. One of the EA's settings is MaxOpenTrades. The default is '10'. This applies per pair. So, if the number of open EURGBP trades is greater than MaxOpenTrades then the EA will ignore further Entry signals until the number of open trades drops below MaxOpenTrades. Do you think that could be the issue?
@R4M..unfortunately not the issue, just the first EG trade and MaxOpen set to 20...
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  • #5,082
  • Jul 19, 2019 6:51am Jul 19, 2019 6:51am
Quoting jdva
{quote} @R4M..unfortunately not the issue, just the first EG trade and MaxOpen set to 20...
...also no EURUSD trade:

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  • #5,083
  • Jul 19, 2019 6:58am Jul 19, 2019 6:58am
Quoting Robot Trader
Hi R4M, This was the reply I got from the support team, is this something that needs to be done to the code or is it local to my MT4 platform? Regards RT {image}
@Robot Trader -- in their response they acknowledge it's an MT4 setting -- i.e. Tools / Options / Expert Advisors 'Allow DLL imports'.

Forget about the BD EA and let's focus on the HelloWorldEA. You have the code, right? You see it does nothing. Calling Window's MessageBox is very, very common.

I wonder whether your MT4 installation is messed up -- e.g. perhaps there is a zombie configuration file for the Tester that thinks DLLs are not allowed. Could you create a fresh installation without having to re-register your plugin?
  • #5,084
  • Jul 19, 2019 7:02am Jul 19, 2019 7:02am
Quoting jdva
{quote} @R4M..unfortunately not the issue, just the first EG trade and MaxOpen set to 20...
@jdva -- are the indicator and EA using the same settings?

I'm going to modify the indicator to also display its current settings. A few times now people have reported similar observations but it turned out the indicator and EA were using different settings.

I'll continue looking into this.
  • #5,085
  • Jul 19, 2019 7:04am Jul 19, 2019 7:04am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @jdva -- are the indicator and EA using the same settings? I'm going to modify the indicator to also display its current settings. A few times now people have reported similar observations but it turned out the indicator and EA were using different settings. I'll continue looking into this.
...yes same settings 1440-40 on both
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  • #5,086
  • Jul 19, 2019 7:07am Jul 19, 2019 7:07am
Quoting jdva
{quote} ...yes same settings 1440-40 on both
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  • #5,087
  • Jul 19, 2019 7:10am Jul 19, 2019 7:10am
Quoting jdva
{quote} {image}
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  • #5,088
  • Jul 19, 2019 7:15am Jul 19, 2019 7:15am
Quoting jdva
{quote} {image}
@jdva -- okay, thanks. This weekend I will use Strategy Tester to see if I can track down the discrepancy.
  • #5,089
  • Jul 19, 2019 1:50pm Jul 19, 2019 1:50pm
This weeks recap.
6 positive trades, 1 negative and 1 still running. Live trading on D1 with allpairsEA and standaard settings. I like this
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  • #5,090
  • Edited 6:04pm Jul 19, 2019 5:04pm | Edited 6:04pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Robot Trader -- in their response they acknowledge it's an MT4 setting -- i.e. Tools / Options / Expert Advisors 'Allow DLL imports'. Forget about the BD EA and let's focus on the HelloWorldEA. You have the code, right? You see it does nothing. Calling Window's MessageBox is very, very common. I wonder whether your MT4 installation is messed up -- e.g. perhaps there is a zombie configuration file for the Tester that thinks DLLs are not allowed. Could you create a fresh installation without having to re-register your plugin?
Hi R4M,

@Robot Trader -- in their response they acknowledge it's an MT4 setting -- i.e. Tools / Options / Expert Advisors 'Allow DLL imports'

I read it different than you, we know that when loading the EA onto the Chart (to trade on a Demo/Live account) there is a Tick Box for "Allow DLL imports" and this must be Ticked to allow any EA to work that requires DLL, so "ME" the user can manually tick this box and the EA works fine on my Demo account.

However their comment is this "The Tick Data Suite has nothing to do with the error, you simply need to allow the EA to import that function in your MT4 options"
Now in Strategy Tester I do not have the ability to Tick a Box to allow DLL this is something that must be builtin to the EA code and Birt is saying you just simply need to allow the EA to import that function. Birt is supporting his software and that software is designed to test EA's so he will not be interested in talking about trading EA's on Demo/Live accounts and ticking DLL boxes, so when he makes his comment he means the EA must be allowed to talk with Strategy Tester.

All my other EA's when trading on Demo/Live account require me to Tick the "Allow DLL imports" otherwise they will not work, but when I back test them in Strategy Tester, I just load them and they work with no issues. So this being said, why should your EA be any different when using it in Strategy Tester, with the Hollow World EA it loaded on my chart OK with a smiley face and when I pressed OK to the message no alarm came up to say DLL was not working, so I don't know what that EA is telling me might not be working correctly.

I do not see the issue being anything to do with my MT4 platform when every other EA that require DLL work fine both on Demo/Live/ & Strategy Tester, I am not the only member reporting a DLL issue, there is another member on the BD thread saying it does not work with his VPS, but I do not know if this is a common DLL issue or they are different DLL issues.

Regards

RT
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  • #5,091
  • Jul 19, 2019 8:01pm Jul 19, 2019 8:01pm
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} Hi R4M, @Robot Trader -- in their response they acknowledge it's an MT4 setting -- i.e. Tools / Options / Expert Advisors 'Allow DLL imports' I read it different than you, we know that when loading the EA onto the Chart (to trade on a Demo/Live account) there is a Tick Box for "Allow DLL imports" and this must be Ticked to allow any EA to work that requires DLL, so "ME" the user can manually tick this box and the EA works fine on my Demo account. However their comment is this "The Tick Data Suite has nothing to do with the error, you simply...
@Robot Trader -- sorry, I would disagree. Here is their response:
"The Tick Data Suite has nothing to do with the error, you simply need to allow the EA to import that function in your MT4 options"

"MT4 Options" is a global setting. Yes, it's true, that just prior to launching an EA the the 'Common' tab allows you change the DLL setting. In other words, there is a "global" and "local" DLL setting. This is because some people may have the global set to 'false' but will occasionally want to allow a specific EA to allow DLL imports. Or, other people may have the global set to 'true' but may not want to allow a specific EA to allow DLL imports.

Also, check out this link. Clear, clearly Strategy Tester is intended to work with imported Windows DLLs:
"The Tick Data Suite has nothing to do with the error, you simply need to allow the EA to import that function in your MT4 options"

The fact that many other people can run the EA under Strategy Tester is proof that the issue is isolated to your installation. The fact that you can run other EAs doesn't mean anything because they may not use that particular functionality. And the other user here who had a problem never followed up -- it could have been they had the global parameter set to 'false'. The fact you can run the HelloWorldEA outside Strategy Tester is also an important clue. There is something wacky about your installation -- either MT4 or the way the plugin behaves.

Allowing imported DLLs is an integral part of developing indicators and EAs. Show your coder my simple HelloWorldEA and ask him/her whether or not it should run under Strategy Tester. Ask him/her whether DLL imports are an integral part of MT4. The fact it is configurable is a security issue -- some people are more paranoid than others. Importing DLLs is essential for many indicators and EAs and that is why MT4 supports it.

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I do not see the issue being anything to do with my MT4 platform when every other EA that require DLL work fine both on Demo/Live/ & Strategy Tester
Nope -- show me. You have no proof that your other EAs import DLLs and call their APIs. You have other EAs, but you don't know whether or not they import a DLL and call one of its APIs. Show me a snippet of source code that imports a DLL and calls a Windows API.
  • #5,092
  • Jul 19, 2019 8:22pm Jul 19, 2019 8:22pm
Quoting jdva
{quote} @R4M..unfortunately not the issue, just the first EG trade and MaxOpen set to 20...
@jdva -- so I found a "logic" issue that could cause trades to be missed -- and it is isolated to the AllPairs EA. To prevent intra-bar ticks from triggering multiple BUY / SELL orders then I compare the time of the current bar with the time of the last BUY / SELL order. If they are the same, then that means it's an intra-bar tick and should be ignored (since the current bar has already been used to open an order).

This works fine for the single-pair trading EA -- R4M-ADR-EA. But it's wrong for the AllPairs EA because I'm not distinguishing between different pairs when it comes to the time of their last order. In other words, suppose the AllPairs EA opens an order for EURUSD on the current M30 bar. And then it checks GBPNZD and it also has an Entry signal. But because the EA has already opened a trade on the current bar it treats it as an intra-bar tick and ignores the GBPNZD signal. Do you know what I mean? So, the fix is to keep track of each pair's most recent order time separately -- and I will do that.

In the mean time, could you check the Trade log to see if there was an order for a different pair around the time of the missing trades.
  • #5,093
  • Jul 19, 2019 9:04pm Jul 19, 2019 9:04pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Robot Trader -- sorry, I would disagree. Here is their response: "The Tick Data Suite has nothing to do with the error, you simply need to allow the EA to import that function in your MT4 options" "MT4 Options" is a global setting. Yes, it's true, that just prior to launching an EA the the 'Common' tab allows you change the DLL setting. In other words, there is a "global" and "local" DLL setting. This is because some people may have the global set to 'false' but will occasionally want to allow a specific EA to allow DLL imports. Or, other...
Hi R4M,

I have cut and pasted our conversation and have gone back to Birt for further clarification, it could be the case that your use of Windows DLL is causing the issue and Birt may not have been aware of this. He is a very experienced MT4 coder and many years ago, he ran a site that reviewed commercial EA's and EA developers would offer him their latest EA's to see if his testing software would give them good results, because if they past Birt's tests they would have more credibility and would sell better within the Forex community, you may not have heard of Birt, because you are new to EA trading within Forex.

Regards

RT
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  • #5,094
  • Jul 19, 2019 9:17pm Jul 19, 2019 9:17pm
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} Hi R4M, I have cut and pasted our conversation and have gone back to Birt for further clarification, it could be the case that your use of Windows DLL is causing the issue and Birt may not have been aware of this. He is a very experienced MT4 coder and many years ago, he ran a site that reviewed commercial EA's and EA developers would offer him their latest EA's to see if his testing software would give them good results, because if they past Birt's tests they would have more credibility and would sell better within the Forex community,...
@Robot Trader -- I'm familiar with Birt. I used to use their TickData Suite. Did you send them the HelloWorldEA.mq4? If not, you need to send them the HelloWorldEA.mq4 along with a screen shot of the error. Simply ask them why does this simple EA complain about importing user32.dll.

If you simply send our conversation they will respond as before. And I don't want to hear that he's so experienced blah blah blah. Give them a test case and allow them to confirm for themselves. Otherwise we're just going to keep going 'round and 'round.
  • #5,095
  • Edited 10:09pm Jul 19, 2019 9:55pm | Edited 10:09pm
Quoting skyway
Fact correction - base on the algo formula the original ADR.mq4 indicator repaints or recalibrate during the day.
@skyway -- is that a question or a statement? ADR.mq4 is not mine, but I suspect it neither repaints or recalculates. The ADR is sort of like a moving average in that it computes the average daily range for the most recent 20 days. That value isn't going to change until the following day. And, even then, it probably won't change that much.

The ADR gives you the delta between a day's High and Low. But what is missing is the 4th dimension -- time. All you know is that between the Asian Open and the Australian Close the price will visit a High and Low who's delta is the ADR. But you don't know when the price will make those visits. Furthermore, today's High and Low have no bearing on tomorrow's High and Low. It's the delta that doesn't change.

Do you remember awhile back that @rosalieone made the observation that when a session was about 0.7 completed the ADR had been fulfilled? That is approximately the time between the Asian Open and the NY Close. Which makes sense. That additional 0.3 is the remainder of the Australian session and, as we all know, Aussie's are lazy and don't know how to trade so they have minimal impact on the ADR.

And @Robot Trader -- I'm kidding!!!! I was just checking whether you were paying attention or still engulfed with ticks.


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Fact correction - based on the algo formula the original ADR.mq4 indicator repaints or recalibrates according to the high low of the day.
I'm too lazy to check -- but I don't think it would recalculate until the beginning of the next day. So -- during the course of the current day the ADR would be stable. I don't think it recalculates with each tick -- that wouldn't make sense. And that's because if it did then the range for the current day between tick #1 and tick #2 would be 0 and that would throw-off the average.

Okay -- I overcame my laziness and checked the code. It uses the first bar of each day. So, I don't think it constantly updates throughout the day.

The reason why the BD indicator shifts is not because the ADR recalculates but, rather, because the midline of the centered TMA slightly shifts with each tick and our yellow steps are drawn as fixed offsets from the midline. Hence, our yellow steps appear to shift. But it's not because of the ADR.
  • #5,096
  • Jul 19, 2019 11:32pm Jul 19, 2019 11:32pm
Quoting skyway
{quote} I was referring to the standard ADR.mq4 that draws the ADR high and ADR low levels on the chart. In the pic example, the ADR value is 0.501. The ADR high level = day low + ADR value = 120.801 + 0.501 = 121.311 The ADR low level = day high - ADR value = 121.282 - 0.501 = 120.781 At the start of the day, The ADR high level = day open + ADR value = 121.222 + 0.501 = 121.723 The ADR low level = day open - ADR value = 121.222 - 0.501 = 120.721 All that recalibration(repaint) according to the algo formula of this ADR level type indicators with...

@skyway -- those bands have to shift up and down during the course of the day. That's because you don't know in advance when each day's High and Low will occur. However, the delta (i.e. ADR) between the upper and lower band will remain fixed.

I thought you were suggesting the ADR was recalculating, now I understand you were referring to the bands.

Recalculation is different than repainting. Let's leave repainting out of this. There is definitely no repainting going on. The bands do shift together most of the day, and then at some point (around 0.7 through the session) they will hold their position. I wouldn't consider that recalculation in the same sense other indicators shift with each tick -- that's different. In this case the movement of the bands is expected and even desirable because their movement provides insight into how the price is moving that day.

Recalculation due to ticks provides no edge. But the way these ADR bands move can provide an edge. For example, if the session is more than 0.7 complete then the odds are the day's High and Low up to that point probably won't be exceeded. Similarly, if the session is less than 0.7 complete and the ADR hasn't yet been fulfilled, then there is a good chance the High or Low up to that point will be exceeded. So -- there definitely is an edge in there.
  • #5,097
  • Jul 20, 2019 12:08am Jul 20, 2019 12:08am
Quoting robots4me
The reason why the BD indicator shifts is not because the ADR recalculates but, rather, because the midline of the centered TMA slightly shifts with each tick and our yellow steps are drawn as fixed offsets from the midline. Hence, our yellow steps appear to shift. But it's not because of the ADR.
That's what I also observed, the shifting of the bands, but now it's clear to me why. It's the centered TMA that causes it not the ADR. Thanks for the explaination.
  • #5,098
  • Jul 20, 2019 12:10am Jul 20, 2019 12:10am
Quoting benjun9
{quote} That's what I also observed, the shifting of the bands, but now it's clear to me why. It's the centered TMA that causes it not the ADR. Thanks for the explaination.
@benjun9 -- yep, that's right...
  • #5,099
  • Jul 20, 2019 12:25am Jul 20, 2019 12:25am
Quoting skyway
{quote} I have made comparison with similar such bands in this same category and come to the conclusion that your R4M-BD-ADR performs the best among the lot in the test conducted. It's an extremely great creation.
That's very gratifying to hear -- thanks @skyway.
  • #5,100
  • Jul 20, 2019 12:29am Jul 20, 2019 12:29am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @jdva -- so I found a "logic" issue that could cause trades to be missed -- and it is isolated to the AllPairs EA. To prevent intra-bar ticks from triggering multiple BUY / SELL orders then I compare the time of the current bar with the time of the last BUY / SELL order. If they are the same, then that means it's an intra-bar tick and should be ignored (since the current bar has already been used to open an order). This works fine for the single-pair trading EA -- R4M-ADR-EA. But it's wrong for the AllPairs EA because I'm not distinguishing...
@R4M...yep, congrats well done , I know what you mean that very probably could have been the reason. Around the same time of the EURUSD signal the AllPairs EA opened an EURAUD trade and on the missing EURGBP trade it was an EURCHF trade!
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