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  • Jul 4, 2019 8:40am Jul 4, 2019 8:40am
  •  Ilovepippin
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Those who despise astrology are ignorant and lazy.

Or don't have the gift in their horoscope
Or are not quite there yet. Its all karma.
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  •  carbonmimeti
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Sorry Ilovepippin,
I did some research on astro but for now I am not comfortable with this matter.
I read some books of George Bayer and he pointed out that old fairytale books speak of planetary cycles.
below is a small excerpt taken from:
Preview of Markets
for November 1939
by
George Bayer

CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM RESEARCH MADE
DURING THE SUMMER OF 1939

1. The movements of markets are subject to planetary motions only, so that propaganda, one way
or the other, restrictions one way or the other, wars, droughts, pestilence which, in themselves
are nothing but the effects of planetary motions, wheels within wheels, influence markets only
the way Nature requires it.
2. We, ourselves have nothing to say about it.
3. Our lives are but one card of a serves of many decks.
4. Motions cannot be controlled, but they can be figured the way they are due to come and to
develop.
5. The laws of how to figure movements of any particular think alive, are contained in hundreds of
ancient works, such as the Bible, the Myths, the Fabled 1001 Nights, Decanieron, the Egyptian
“Book of thie Dead,” the Talmud and Al Koran.
6. The way these books have been worked up they appear as innocent so called religious books. It
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is said they are “open books” and therefore they can be understood if one takes off thie veil.
7. My conclusion from the research made so far points toward the following: All these works were
“Made in Ger nian)4’ between die years 800 and 1 500 or even a little later. The flmndaniental
laws might have been known by ancient nations possibly 1000 or more years-be ibrey but onhyat
thw above given period have they been put into story forms.
8. Common methods of astrology never get anyone towards the solution. Ali Baba says inihe story
of the 40 Thieves: “Their (the traders) methods were used to make profits, but for such
undertakings (of solving the puzzle of motion), one has to approach it in a clever and strange
way.
9. Ahi Baba and die 40 Thieves is die complete work of How to figure wheat niovements. At the
end of the story he says: “(Since he now understands the rules, what the actual meaning of each
word should be, what planets are meant, what type of motion is used, how the movement occurs
in the Zodiac, where the actual beginning of a cycle starts and when it HAS to repeat, etc.) Now
he doubted no more that he was the only one in the world who knew the secret of how to open
the Cavern so that the entire treasures contained therein were completely at his disposal.” This
is quite a broad statement to make. But I can see it that way myself The v~hole story comprises
but 28 pages and contains under cover all diat is to be known about wheat prices for any time,
any year, any month or day, clearly though concisely written.
10. The idea of substituting words for othwr words so as to cover up the actual meaning sounds
strange to the average man. However, it must have been the greatest art with these writers, much
greater than the actual finding of the laws. Because, when you realize it is but the question of
simple line’ s movement and they were able to write a wonderful story about it that makes you
feel like being in Fairy Land, such work is marvelous.
11. On the odier hand, die way some people feed die public diese stories and the way the public
does take them is just as marvelous and unbelievable. The joke of it all is that neither of the
parties knows what it is all about, and they never will know nor even try to know. We just find
in this condition anothier law of thie Universe.
12. When you read over the various articles produced in these six volumes of Preview, you will
notice that we covered an immense field. Most of it had to do with hidden secrets, where and
how to get a hold of them, how to tackle thiem patiently and persistently. We have not touched
on dividends, nor on car-loadings; we have not bodiered about die electric out-put for the mondi
nor about the rain of yesterday in the Middle West. We just simply have i~ored
EVERYTHING upon which the average trader pins his deductions and his hopes of arriving at
the conclusion: is the market a buy or a sale. If these writings have brought you only as far as to
say: the common approaches of traders to judge markets are valueless or very nearly so, then
your investnient shows big profits already. That the common way is more believable hitches on
the same laws as I give in point ii above and therefore don’t need repetitioiv
13. The writers of our texts MUST HAVE worked widi charts, not only widi one chart that of
planetary motions but with actual charts of the daily high and low prices of commodities. This is
clearly indicated and visible. They knew all about gaps up-gaps and down, gaps. They even tell
how to determine the time when they are due to come. On page 24 I explained all about
commodity charts.
14. The number of twisted German words mentioned in last month’s issue have increased greatly
during my research this past month; my reductions have proved absolutely correct since they fit
each place wherever they repeat in stories wliedier in 1001 Nights, Bible or Midrashi, and
ALWAYS mean the same thing. Having just now the book of 1001 Nights before me, I notice
without searching for a special case right on thie opened page, vol. III, 225: The story of Ali
Baba and the 40 Thieves ends when the captain of the Thieves takes the name of Chogia
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Husein. This “Husein” I said in the last issues, means: “Haus ems” or: “House No. 1.” The stoiy
that follows is entitled: “History of Ali Chodjah, Merchant of Bagdad.” Here we find “Chiogia,”
the captain of die Thieves widi anodier name, i.e.,“Cliodjali.” (LAUTVERSGHIEBUNG change
of consonants.) Therefore, it is but another name covering the previous one. And there are
people in this world who think them to be silly fables of the Orient.. The Mohamedanization of
the Bavarian dialect words or of medieval German words is another art these writers understood.
What fun they must have had when they wrote the stories for ifiture students. They might have
often said “Now, let’s see, how shall we say now: go and find a name for that aspect, go and find
a city for this top; but don’t go all over creation for it take one that SOUNDS believable for the
niasses.. Another one might have said; Let us call profit “salt” which I found to mean just that.
The translator of 1001 Nights from Arabian back into the original tongue. from which it grew,
says in a footnote, vol. III, page 221: “Salt indicated by the ancients the swibol of friendship
and trust (he hits that pretty well); they used it in all their offering and alliances.(Not bad ).
Beduins and Arabs of the desert considered it the symbol of trust and indicating the inviolance
of their treaties. They had greater respect of nothing but of bread and salt. If they once have
eaten withi a man (Can you see now what is meant by man?) bread and salt, it would be a terrible
crime to rob liini or his baggage or merchandise, etc. (He brings anodier 20 lines of his diouglits
to explain away the fact that salt in the Scriptures simply does mean everything but “profit.” Let
him be happy with his ideas, but we use ours, which is the true meaiiing.
15. It seems to me as if the Scriptures and similar writing never had been intended for the public;
they were not meant to be “Sacred Writings” but “Secret Writings.” They may be termed “Code
messages” for a few, and “Code messages” for all the rest. A Code message is decipherable for a
few: undecipherable for all the others and for both it is a Code Message.
16. I know diere are sonie readers who are going to follow careftilly all the suggestions niade in
these articles both for training and for personal research. I also feel sure thiatin this present era
planetary positions are such that one or the other of the many readers will find the true
beginning and build on it. Fade-outs will occur frequently but one of these fade-outs new
phoenix-like ideas will come forth until such time as the correct substitutions have been found.
Then everything will click from Adam over to Amen.
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  •  carbonmimeti
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I found interesting GEORGE WOLLSTEN (last pages..........)
I search for GEORGE MARECHAL's books but nothing...all deleted from web!
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  •  carbonmimeti
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in post 10302 there are some errors,I don't know why...I do copy and paste but for example when you find "die" it is "the"...or other words are copied in a wrong way,I don't know...please read the original text that you can find freely on the web
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  •  FxNature
  • | Joined Sep 2018 | Status: Member | 48 Posts
Looks like we are bottoming ahead of NPFs data today. My outlook says upward bias into the next week.


Grettings.
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  •  Suryananda
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As of next week, it may be possible to enter the EURUSD long.
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  • Jul 6, 2019 8:07am Jul 6, 2019 8:07am
  •  Suryananda
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[quote = Suryananda; 12358956]

We had made this prediction for this past week.
The results are in the graph.

I also do not know anything outside the DJIA because it is the only market that I have well studied astrologically.
I think Gann traded in commodities because it's so much easier. Commodities tend to have longer trends and are also much more physical than financial stock markets. Although the human mind that negotiates in them is always the same.

I am afraid that I have invaded a thread that is not mine.
For all this I think I will not upload more predictions about the DJIA here.
I apologize for having invaded this thread with inappropriate material.

Greetings to all.
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  •  Ilovepippin
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Sorry Ilovepippin, I did some research on astro but for now I am not comfortable with this matter. I read some books of George Bayer and he pointed out that old fairytale books speak of planetary cycles.
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Neither was I when I first started.
George Bayer is a little bit more straightforward than Gann, but I wouldn't start there.
I started with personal astrology, see how it works on yourself. The I did mundane astrology, just to see if it worked and from there I went into the Gann Reading list. I like the zodiac, and mythology it always fascinated me as a kid, and I started reading those books that explained a bit more about it.
If anything its a good read.
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  •  Ilovepippin
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I read some books of George Bayer and he pointed out that old fairytale books speak of planetary cycles. below is a small excerpt taken from: Preview of Markets for November 1939 by George Bayer CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM RESEARCH MADE DURING THE SUMMER OF 1939 1.
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Anyway, with the rise of the church which started with emperor Constantine and the following persecution of other faiths, the knowledge (gnosis) had to go underground for fear of execution. They wrote the knowledge in fables and certain books that later became part of the bible. Not all books became part of the bible, but some did. Knowledge was hidden in architecture of buildings, art, literature etc. If you know what to look for, you see it everywhere. One famous artist who did such things was Shakespeare, also Leonardo da Vinci and Miguelangelo, just to name a few.
John, Paul, Luke and Matthew have many references to planetary cycles.
The 40 days in the desert for instance where Jesus meets the devil 3 times, explains a mars retrograde cycle. Same as the 40 thieves, 40 years in the desert from Moses etc. You can check this with the astrolog software take a chart and set it to where mars goes retrograde. Then before the retrograde cycle ends, how many conjunctions did you see with the moon in that period? The devil, the little evil, is Mars in the story.
So the jest of the story is that persons represent planets and meetings are aspects. Times and dates are cycles.
Now you only have to figure out which person is which planet. The people mostly represent the various human types. Old people are usually Saturn, Saturn is also Satan, the big evil. Girls or woman represent female planets like Moon or Venus. etc. Smart people are Mercury. Once you figure it out its a lot of fun.
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  • Jul 6, 2019 11:20am Jul 6, 2019 11:20am
  •  Ilovepippin
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Quoting Suryananda
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I am afraid that I have invaded a thread that is not mine. For all this I think I will not upload more predictions about the DJIA here. I apologize for having invaded this thread with inappropriate material. Greetings to all.
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I think you are at the right place here. The Dow Jones "listens" the Jupiter and Venus longitudes and has made a triple top with the Jupiter longitude. On June 24 Jupiter and Venus were opposite and square of the price of 268. Price was exactly where the longitudes of Jupiter and Venus met.
I am expecting another downturn soon all the way back down to 22000 or so.
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  •  jnevins
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{quote} I think you are at the right place here. The Dow Jones "listens" the Jupiter and Venus longitudes and has made a triple top with the Jupiter longitude. On June 24 Jupiter and Venus were opposite and square of the price of 268. Price was exactly where the longitudes of Jupiter and Venus met. I am expecting another downturn soon all the way back down to 22000 or so.
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It is such a pleasure to have you back on this thread, ILP... your patience in explaining some basics to Zizoo is priceless.
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  •  jnevins
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End of week recap.... 104 pips for the week based on post 10,257, June 28.

A classic example how a CIT (change in trend) can be a down to sideways movement, 1 of 6 possibilities)

Had I used the green Uranus-Uranus, 3rd harmonic, phase study line, I would have had a more accurate entry on the last downward movement on Friday....
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{quote} Your understanding is incorrect. Gann used these lines as an overlay on this charts to see where support or resistance was. But he also used it to target certain price levels. If you draw a chart and put the Gann lines on the chart you can clearly see that price sometimes trades at the same level as the lines, so clearly no strength or weakness indication there. Why do you think Gann put som much effort in the exact location and scaling of the lines? Just to indicate strength or lack thereof? No of course not, for that I can just draw a...
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I see, thank you for correcting me. I think I'll better go study some more.
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  •  Oc6oph
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Interesting one can look through their telescope and tell where EURUSD is going. I’ll have to get me a telescope and learn more about this
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Outlook for next week... up week in store... 2nd image shows this spectrum calculation applied to last week's PA......
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  •  carbonmimeti
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ILOVEPIPPIN....thank you very much for your explanation.
I want add to list: GULLIVER'S TRAVELS
and,as I am Italian, DANTE ALIGHIERI'S DIVINA COMMEDIA,there are a lot of references to planets.
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  •  Suryananda
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Lunar Revolution 09 / Jul / 2019 06:36 AM.

Astrological prediction for the DJIA:
07/08/2019 Moderately bullish, LONG.
07/09/2019 Moderately bearish, SHORT.
07/10/2019 Bullish, LONG.
07/11/2019 Bullish, LONG.
07/12/2019 Moderately bullish, LONG.

We enter Long or Short depending on the astrological prediction. But combining the prediction with some other market analysis system like Market Profile.

Greetings to all.

Note:
To learn how to interpret soliloon revolutions:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Persian-Nat...eMmZc&pf_rd_p= 18edf98b-139a-41ee-bb40-d725dd59d1d3 & pf_rd_r = 9YGXXMH3AAMCX7FJMN88 & psc = 1 & refRID = 9YGXXMH3AAMCX7FJMN88
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  •  Suryananda
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[quote = carbonmimeti; 12369539] ILOVEPIPPIN .... muchas gracias por su explicación. Quiero agregar a la lista: LOS VIAJES DE GULLIVER Y, como soy italiano, DIVINA COMMEDIA DE DANTE ALIGHIERI, hay muchas referencias a los planetas. [/ Quote]

If you are Italian you can study Guido Bonatti.

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  •  carbonmimeti
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ok,thank you for your suggestion...I will look for his books/documents
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  •  becks.200
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Outlook for next week... up week in store... 2nd image shows this spectrum calculation applied to last week's PA...... {image} {image}
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Hi Jerry, is this Spectrum, Harmonic Box applied to it?
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