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  • #3,581
  • Jun 24, 2019 1:37am Jun 24, 2019 1:37am
Quoting skyway
Todays post by Zoltan and Bluesteele new thread convinced me their mocking and provocative insults will not stop. I have chosen to stop and disengage from them and their activities. Simple. I don't have a agenda on FF, they do.
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Steve, Mate you are definitely NOT a coward. You speak what is on your mind, like Andy, Kevin & George do. WE need people like you ALL in this world. That "honesty" comes from ALL your mouths is welcomed from us "listeners" But it is just draining on a congregation of like minded trading souls (if I may humbly speak for others as well as myself in this instance) to have to deal with reading it over and over and over to filter it out to get to the gems you guys bring. I can't save any situations, only bring them to the forefront every...
@TimeTells -- looks like your trading buddies threw you under the bus.

@skyway -- its okay. @bluesteele has been here since 2007. His last thread was 2012. He's been trolling for 7 years. Since he doesn't have any new content to share, his new thread is devoted to mocking mine. As they say there is no such thing as bad publicity.

If anyone is interested, here's a link to their new thread. @bluesteele is joined there by @moodybot and @George. Please leave them alone to pursue their mission of convincing forex traders that indicators and EAs are useless.

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=12346326#post12346326

Three bad actors (@George, @bluesteele, @moodybot) -- they'll never change.
  • #3,582
  • Jun 24, 2019 1:44am Jun 24, 2019 1:44am
Quoting SwingMan
Only a short contribution: @bluesteele blocked me 3 hours ago, but I swear I never wrote anything about him! He probably blocks all members who use the word "lazy"... OK, now I can write that as many others have said: he is a very unfair and full of hate member. I hereby demand that he should be banished for life from FF!
@Swingman -- guilt by association. @Nih98 and I have written good things about you and, so, he figured you probably wouldn't be a fan of his. It was a "proactive" block -- just in case you might have been thinking about posting.

At the rate they're blocking people, their playground will continue to shrink. But they have a way of fixing that -- create a bunch of pseudo aliases. What did @parisboy call them? Pseudopods?
  • #3,583
  • Jun 24, 2019 1:47am Jun 24, 2019 1:47am
Quoting giselle1723
{quote} They are Keltnar channels, and I use 3 different period HMA with them. {image} {image} {image}
@giselle1723 -- thanks. And what do you consider a signal, i.e. Entry?
  • #3,584
  • Jun 24, 2019 1:49am Jun 24, 2019 1:49am
Quoting skyway
{quote} You asked a question, I answered in good faith thinking you were on a fact finding mission. Next I read this, https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=12346334#post12346334 No more such nonsense for me.
yes, i am on fact finding.
but was any fact presented? NOT.
you made a claim, what you have no intention to back up to me or others.
but had someone else also on some search, for an answer,
thought your post would be very well link to his.
i am and will be very interested when you can back your claim to an edge ( by the indicator or without) backed with some data.
dont forget, i am a trader, and i dont have ego when comes to improving my trading.

on the last part, we can agree fully:
NO MORE SUCH NONSENSE FOR ME!

Quoting skyway
{quote} Tbf, I found one r4m creation that carries a clear edge. Especially when combined with swingmans creation. I posted the charts on here that put all of them together. As for demo I'm not sure if I have the time tbh.
nothing more is asked, than you asking others.
i did what you asking. can you do the same?
excuses, and BS, and double standards...a recurring theme.
i walk the walk i am talking. and would love to see others do that too!
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #3,585
  • Jun 24, 2019 1:52am Jun 24, 2019 1:52am
Hey -- sorry to interrupt the regularly scheduled programming.

Has anyone tried using the updated SpikeHunter indicator? And how about giving me your opinion about the new R4M-RsxExit.ex4 Exit indicator? I think it looks like a very good candidate for closing trades (compared to Take Profit).
  • #3,586
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:07am Jun 24, 2019 2:07am
Quoting robots4me
Hey -- sorry to interrupt the regularly scheduled programming. Has anyone tried using the updated SpikeHunter indicator? And how about giving me your opinion about the new R4M-RsxExit.ex4 Exit indicator? I think it looks like a very good candidate for closing trades (compared to Take Profit).
Hey Steve,

I placed a couple trades some hours ago using the centered TMA as entry and using the RSI for exit but I noticed the entry singals repaint?
  • #3,587
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:19am Jun 24, 2019 2:19am
Quoting Aussi
If anyone is butthurt that I have placed you on my Ignore list. Get over it ! That's life !! What you don't realize I will unblock each and every one of you....if you can provide a chart here on this thread of your choosing with a live call .... If you can't do that ...well then you will stay on my Ignore list.. If you want to be unblocked ...and post a chart ...all you need to do is state so..in your own thread ..and I or one of my inner circle friends will see it and let me know... Don't be shy...live calls .. we will analyze win lose or...
Hi Aussi,

May I respectfully suggest that they post a chart on my TRASH thread, that way we are not blocking R4M with possible unwanted posting.

Regards

RT
Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #3,588
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:21am Jun 24, 2019 2:21am
Quoting LongBTC
{quote} Hey Steve, I placed a couple trades some hours ago using the centered TMA as entry and using the RSI for exit but I noticed the entry singals repaint?
@LongBTC -- yes -- the centered TMA and smLazyBands envelopes repaint and, as a result, purple and blue dots may come and go -- when charts are updated in hindsight (i.e. down the road).

I wrote before about this trade-off using repainting envelopes -- on one hand they give really good looking signals, but on the other hand the repainting throws the signals into question (in hindsight). Until a couple of days ago I was pretty dead set against using repainting indicators for trading, but then something @bishopdotun wrote got me to thinking that perhaps for reverse trading they might be okay -- especially when there is a non-repainting filter indicator also being used as a "policeman".

We aren't looking for a needle in a haystack -- we are spike hunting. In general our signals are going to be very obvious -- in fact, you probably don't need a useless indicator to detect a spike. So, it then occurred to me that the subtle repainting might not be such a problem.

The fact that dots may come and go is an artifact of drawing. What's more important is whether the indicator generates good signals.

Could you post a screen shot of your trading charts so I can reproduce them and see what you are seeing?

@LongBTC -- you are a prince. The old farts here are only interested in a pissing contest. Leave it to the young whipper snapper to keep things focused. Thank you.
  • #3,589
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:25am Jun 24, 2019 2:25am
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} Hi Aussi, May I respectfully suggest that they post a chart on my TRASH thread, that way we are not blocking R4M with possible unwanted posting. Regards RT
@Robot Trader -- thanks for the considerate offer.

I don't mind people posting charts here if the charts help to confirm the indicators are working or not. In fact, examples where the indicator is NOT performing as expected are more interesting to me because then it gives me the opportunity to see if there is a way to remedy it.
  • #3,590
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:31am Jun 24, 2019 2:31am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @LongBTC -- yes -- the centered TMA and smLazyBands envelopes repaint and, as a result, purple and blue dots may come and go -- when charts are updated in hindsight (i.e. down the road). I wrote before about this trade-off using repainting envelopes -- on one hand they give really good looking signals, but on the other hand the repainting throws the signals into question (in hindsight). Until a couple of days ago I was pretty dead set against using repainting indicators for trading, but then something @bishopdotun wrote got me to thinking...
Hi R4M,

I thought I read where you said the repainting would to some degree be filtered out by a Policeman (Momentum Indicator) at the time of your post I was suspended and didn't comment.

I was going to say what type of Policeman was you thinking of using if its the one that chases the bad guys (lagging the action) then we will not get any better results. However if we have a traffic cop in front of the on coming vehicles and directing them which way to go then that would work.

Regards

RT
Some people say I'm lucky, but the more I practice the luckier I get
  • #3,591
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:44am Jun 24, 2019 2:44am
Quoting Aussi
{image} i have a sell thought i might put it here for the good guys and gals please dont follow me i have been wrong before i watched georges thread
@Aussi -- please don't post just random trades -- it serves no purpose here. It doesn't help me because a chart like that neither confirms we are on the right path or are on the wrong path. Seriously -- I can use feedback on whether or not I'm headed in the right direction with the indicators I'm developing.
  • #3,592
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:49am Jun 24, 2019 2:49am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @LongBTC -- yes -- the centered TMA and smLazyBands envelopes repaint and, as a result, purple and blue dots may come and go -- when charts are updated in hindsight (i.e. down the road). I wrote before about this trade-off using repainting envelopes -- on one hand they give really good looking signals, but on the other hand the repainting throws the signals into question (in hindsight). Until a couple of days ago I was pretty dead set against using repainting indicators for trading, but then something @bishopdotun wrote got me to thinking...
Hey Steve,

I was aware that the smLazyBands were repainting but didn't know the centered TMA's were also repainting, hence the amount of accurate entry signals I suppose. Yes indeed we are spike hunting and those can easily be noticed without an indi but we use them for an easy visual purpose. I have to do more testing but I think using the non repainting TMA bands that we are getting a lot of false or poor signals in a trending market. Maybe it is possible to use the centered TMA settings and throw them into a non repainting indi?

Thanks for the kind words Steve, I refuse to engage in all the dick slapping contests, probably because I'm half their age and don't have the time for it. If I want to have meaningless discussions then I'll talk to one of my girlfriends, they also love to cause drama over nothing.
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  • #3,593
  • Jun 24, 2019 2:53am Jun 24, 2019 2:53am
Quoting LongBTC
{quote} Hey Steve, I was aware that the smLazyBands were repainting but didn't know the centered TMA's were also repainting, hence the amount of accurate entry signals I suppose. Yes indeed we are spike hunting and those can easily be noticed without an indi but we use them for an easy visual purpose. I have to do more testing but I think using the non repainting TMA bands that we are getting a lot of false or poor signals in a trending market. Maybe it is possible to use the centered TMA settings and throw them into a non repainting indi? Thanks...
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one of my girlfriends, they also love to cause drama over nothing
Holy smokes, one of your girl friends? This certainly sounds more interesting than indicators and trading...

Thanks for posting the screen shots. I will take a closer look. It's one thing for dots to come and go in hindsight, but it would be a deal-breaker if repainting bands really can't be trusted to generate tradeable signals.
  • #3,594
  • Jun 24, 2019 3:01am Jun 24, 2019 3:01am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Swingman -- guilt by association. @Nih98 and I have written good things about you and, so, he figured you probably wouldn't be a fan of his. It was a "proactive" block -- just in case you might have been thinking about posting. At the rate they're blocking people, their playground will continue to shrink. But they have a way of fixing that -- create a bunch of pseudo aliases. What did @parisboy call them? Pseudopods?
yes - Robots4me they have exactly the same behaviour that I have seen on this french thread I wrote about.

After 4 years of previous practice in the years 2010-2014 forecasting them is easy.

First you see a bunch of new or recent FF joiners coming of nowhere on your thread lecture you on the theme "how great the master work is etc"

As you stubbornly stay on your lazy trader position kind of " explain me the master theory" they behave more and more aggressively with you.

The aim is to silence the dissenters

a) by depreciating you relatively towards other readers,
b) then by drowning your thread if you have one with posts which have nothing to do with the sunbject of interest. Hence your thread is less and less readable, this fact discourage the average reader
c) they use the "inversion accusatoire' where they accuse you before readers, posters and admin of what they do to yourself
d) they try to ban you of the site
  • #3,595
  • Jun 24, 2019 3:11am Jun 24, 2019 3:11am
Quoting skyway
I am going to stick my neck out again. Whoever opened AJ short trade at 74.785 There is a support level at 74.580 and 74.420 If I am wrong blame my lousy phone, ok ?
My 2 cents
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  • #3,596
  • Jun 24, 2019 3:41am Jun 24, 2019 3:41am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} yes - Robots4me they have exactly the same behaviour that I have seen on this french thread I wrote about. After 4 years of previous practice in the years 2010-2014 forecasting them is easy. First you see a bunch of new or recent FF joiners coming of nowhere on your thread lecture you on the theme "how great the master work is etc" As you stubbornly stay on your lazy trader position kind of " explain me the master theory" they behave more and more aggressively with you. The aim is to silence the dissenters a) by depreciating you relatively...
@parisboy -- thanks for your post and support.

Since I can code, then I'm independent and don't require an audience. However, since their thread is based on mumbo jumbo -- then they do require a following to validate their presence. There obviously is interest in indicators and EAs and I benefit greatly from the feedback and interactions -- so I'll keep posting and sharing.

While I continue with what I enjoy doing, they have a tougher road to hoe. They have a lot of work ahead of them to convince MT4 traders that indicators are useless. Some people will see them as they are, others will get sucked in. That's the way it works in the real world, as well. They will never change -- they have too much invested in deceit to back away now.

Again -- please let them be. They are on a mission of deceit and it is not our job to police them. You probably noticed that just as one of their threads shuts down then the next one pops up. It's like filling gopher holes -- just as you think you've got one filled, then another opens up.
  • #3,597
  • Jun 24, 2019 4:03am Jun 24, 2019 4:03am
Quoting robots4me
Again -- please let them be. They are on a mission of deceit and it is not our job to police them. You probably noticed that just as one of their threads shuts down then the next one pops up. It's like filling gopher holes -- just as you think you've got one filled, then another opens up.
You are right.
  • #3,598
  • Jun 24, 2019 4:07am Jun 24, 2019 4:07am
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @parisboy -- thanks for your post and support. Since I can code, then I'm independent and don't require an audience. However, since their thread is based on mumbo jumbo -- then they do require a following to validate their presence. There obviously is interest in indicators and EAs and I benefit greatly from the feedback and interactions -- so I'll keep posting and sharing. While I continue with what I enjoy doing, they have a tougher road to hoe. They have a lot of work ahead of them to convince MT4 traders that indicators are useless....
@Robots4me

you are right they are on a mission. And you , me and others on this thread have done the crime of crime we do not believe. We do not believe that the master "help" traders with his wisdom. Some of us have written that the Master is a fake and his "theories" are borderline void of non sense.

Anyway you are the biggest sinner of us. I am just an unbeliever from day 1, you are a relaps, you were a believer, you even had the opportunity to talk to the master himself, and you miss the chance. You are an heretic. And heresy has to be fighted by all means.

Let's go back to (useless) Envelopes and the rest !
  • #3,599
  • Jun 24, 2019 4:10am Jun 24, 2019 4:10am
Quoting Robot Trader
{quote} Hi R4M, I thought I read where you said the repainting would to some degree be filtered out by a Policeman (Momentum Indicator) at the time of your post I was suspended and didn't comment. I was going to say what type of Policeman was you thinking of using if its the one that chases the bad guys (lagging the action) then we will not get any better results. However if we have a traffic cop in front of the on coming vehicles and directing them which way to go then that would work. Regards RT
@Robot Trader -- I know you already know what I am about to write below. I decided to summarize where things currently stand for the benefit of those just arriving here from @bluesteeles new thread.

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I thought I read where you said the repainting would to some degree be filtered out by a Policeman (Momentum Indicator
You can't "filter-out" repainting -- that's the property of an indicator. A trading system needs (at least) 3 components -- a signal generator, a filter, and an Exit strategy.

For signal generation I'm using an extreme price that pokes its head above or below a band. When a price pokes its head above or below a band we call that a candidate signal. I emphasize the word candidate because we aren't yet sure whether or not we will use it as an Entry. The SpikeHunter indicator currently supports 8 different envelopes -- some repaint and some don't. I was hoping that people would help with testing so we can come to some consensus as to which envelope-type works best for generating true signals.

Since signal generation will result in both true signals and false positives, then the next step will be some type of filter to distinguish between the two. I'm using a momentum filter that is a combination of @Nih98's FX RSI filter and a stochastic momentum filter. Candidate signals that are consistent with the momentum filter live on, whereas those that are not consistent get ignored. Behind the scenes its just algebra -- comparing arrays of numbers.

And finally, for the Exit condition, I'm adapting the RSX indicator I described earlier.

Keep in mind I'm just combining indicators (with specific properties) into a sequence of rules (and displaying the results graphically on a chart).
Step 1. Signal generation
Step 2. Filter
Step 3 Exit

Since indicators are simply algebraic formulas they can only approximate data patterns -- then the results will not be 100% perfect. However, indicators can provide an "edge". And that's all we are looking for -- an "edge". Forex is a probability game -- with an edge (i.e. a strategy) you can increase your probability of winning.
  • #3,600
  • Jun 24, 2019 4:14am Jun 24, 2019 4:14am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} @Robots4me you are right they are on a mission. And you , me and others on this thread have done the crime of crime we do not believe. We do not believe that the master "help" traders with his wisdom. Some of us have written that the Master is a fake and his "theories" are borderline void of non sense. Anyway you are the biggest sinner of us. I am just an unbeliever from day 1, you are a relaps, you were a believer, you even had the opportunity to talk to the master himself, and you miss the chance. You are an heretic. And heresy has to...
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Anyway you are the biggest sinner of us ... you are a relaps, you were a believer...
Yep -- I've heard rumored I was even on the verge of being invited into the inner-circle -- for coding purposes and my sense of humor.

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Let's go back to (useless) Envelopes and the rest
Yes -- I agree. Aren't you going to ask me for the source code?
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