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  • #4,381
  • May 10, 2019 9:23pm May 10, 2019 9:23pm
Thanks Alula,

I know its tempting, I want to be here a long time though

Im not fussed even if I my 10pips a week...just constantly 10 pips
  • #4,382
  • May 11, 2019 3:05pm May 11, 2019 3:05pm
Not too bad for the week, over 7,000 pips, maybe next week will be better.

This was on the H4.

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  • #4,383
  • May 11, 2019 9:50pm May 11, 2019 9:50pm
Quoting seller9
Not too bad for the week, over 7,000 pips, maybe next week will be better. This was on the H4. {image}
That's superb Gene thank you once again. Assuming this was running Cycle Trader v4 on DB/TS H4 and default settings (ATR 0.5) starting Monday on London open. Would also be interesting to know the max DD size reached here.

There seems to be some consensus now on H4 demonstrating smoother build up of profits with lower number of trades and potentially more suitable a setup for smaller account trading using 0.01 lot size. Would be interesting to see if RSI filtering could help us lower DD even further in the coming week.

Cheers
  • #4,384
  • May 12, 2019 2:06am May 12, 2019 2:06am
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} That's superb Gene thank you once again. Assuming this was running Cycle Trader v4 on DB/TS H4 and default settings (ATR 0.5) starting Monday on London open. Would also be interesting to know the max DD size reached here. There seems to be some consensus now on H4 demonstrating smoother build up of profits with lower number of trades and potentially more suitable a setup for smaller account trading using 0.01 lot size. Would be interesting to see if RSI filtering could help us lower DD even further in the coming week. Cheers
I have not tested the RSI filter enough to say that the DD may be smaller or not, but it definitely reduces the number of trades taken. Next week I will run the whole week with H4 RSI, I also prefer 1 wait candle on H4 we'll see what happens. Here is the result for just Friday:

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  • #4,385
  • May 12, 2019 3:11am May 12, 2019 3:11am
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} I have not tested the RSI filter enough to say that the DD may be smaller or not, but it definitely reduces the number of trades taken. Next week I will run the whole week with H4 RSI, I also prefer 1 wait candle on H4 we'll see what happens. Here is the result for just Friday: {image}
Thank you for those; here are also a few results from Friday's Cycle Trader v4 with default setting and first run of RSI filters. Still early days and my focus remains on reducing max DD for smaller account trading if possible. All the best
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  • #4,386
  • May 12, 2019 4:08am May 12, 2019 4:08am
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} ........... PSS: Another idea I have is to start two DB with the same TS settings and lot sizes, one DB would have a fixed TP of say 500pips and the other DB would have a EL of 500pips/10pips in case the TS goes for a run. The Brokers I use allow multiple accounts within the same user, so this should be feasible.
Hi All,

I have been running some tests last week on 15m charts with a couple of different setups. One was with 0.2 Lot and 200/125 EL to see if I could snag a 1 and Done per session. This seemed to work well and have posted some pics below. Max DD got to 1437 but it basically grabbed one basket with each session. I start the trading 5mins after the open of the forex session for Tokyo, London and NY. You will see I didnt turn on the 1 basket setting at one point accidently but in general it seemed to grab a basket each session. I think there was only one session that flowed into the next and that was a Tokyo into London. Overall it this made $2145 for the week.

With regards to JuntUncles PPS, I was actually running that on 15min charts with same settings with one setup with left just to trade and one setup to take baskets. MY open trading setup seemed to go into a long DD for a while then recovered. The setup taking the baskets was set to 0.5lot with 75/35EL. Like above this pretty much took a basket at each session and ended up in profit $1800 with max DD of $815. Again there was a couple of times I forgot to set the Basket to 1 so it did take multiple baskets a couple of times.
Unfortunately I forgot to take screenshots on the open setup however this ended up only making $328 and I cant tell what the max DD was due to lack of screen shots. I will reset those test this week and run them the whole week as It would be good to see if leaving it open to the market is much more profitable than taking baskets. My feel from what I did last week is that taking the baskets each session seems to be the way as leaving it open makes it vulnerable to larger and longer DD's.

I see there seems to be some good success with the 4H charts so will run a couple of tests on that also.

Matt.

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  • #4,387
  • May 12, 2019 7:20am May 12, 2019 7:20am
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi All, I have been running some tests last week on 15m charts with a couple of different setups. One was with 0.2 Lot and 200/125 EL to see if I could snag a 1 and Done per session. This seemed to work well and have posted some pics below. Max DD got to 1437 but it basically grabbed one basket with each session. I start the trading 5mins after the open of the forex session for Tokyo, London and NY. You will see I didnt turn on the 1 basket setting at one point accidently but in general it seemed to grab a basket each session. I think there...
Hi Matt thanks for the feedback and looking forward to our collective H4 testing in the coming week.

Meantime wondering if I understood the above correctly as per JustUncleL's PPS; is the concept based on running multiple setups on the same account (ie using the same capital) but with different logins eg one Pepperstone account with multiple logins or instances using different DB Magic Numbers and trade comments?

Just that sometime ago I tried the idea of running multiple setups on the same account using different trade comments and magic numbers per DB instance but found some level of equity interference between them and eventually gave up on the idea.

I guess the background to my question and perhaps confusion relates also to the fact I have had multiple smaller live accounts setup with the intention of finding the preferred broker and now should be looking to consolidate funds into a single account and by doing so provide the necessary room for Cycle Trader to do its job.

I think what I'm therefore asking is if and how JustUncleL's PPS can be implemented with a Pepperstone or ICMarkets account for instance. Hope this makes sense!

Thanks in advance for any further elaboration.
  • #4,388
  • May 12, 2019 9:30am May 12, 2019 9:30am
Here's my result for the past 2 trading days. S9DB @ Daily Cycle Trader v4 at 4 hrs, the rest at default settings.
Will try S9 DB at 4HR next week for comparison.

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  • #4,389
  • May 12, 2019 12:59pm May 12, 2019 12:59pm
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} Hi Matt thanks for the feedback and looking forward to our collective H4 testing in the coming week. Meantime wondering if I understood the above correctly as per JustUncleL's PPS; is the concept based on running multiple setups on the same account (ie using the same capital) but with different logins eg one Pepperstone account with multiple logins or instances using different DB Magic ........
Hi Fairtraderuk,

From what I understood of Justuncles PPS, it was about seeing the difference of two separate accounts with the same settings however one is running open with no EL or TP’s used and the other uses EL and TP. I think the concept was to see what the DD and tp would be for each to ascertain weather taking baskets and resetting is the way to go or leaving it just to run like some of the others.

feom what I gather from your question, in the past I have used the DB on the same account with one having a magic number add of 100. From what I remember and this was on a live account it did work however I can’t remember the reason but I ended up splitting the account and traded on two separate accounts. I guess the best way would be to test on a demo account and see what the results are. I have a feeling where it falls down is with some of the overall settings like max DD etc as it looks at the whole account, not just the Magic numbers for that DB, I could be wrong but I think this is why I split the account.

Hope this helps
  • #4,390
  • May 12, 2019 5:24pm May 12, 2019 5:24pm
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi Fairtraderuk, From what I understood of Justuncles PPS, it was about seeing the difference of two separate accounts with the same settings however one is running open with no EL or TP’s used and the other uses EL and TP. I think the concept was to see what the DD and tp would be for each to ascertain weather taking baskets and resetting is the way to go or leaving it just to run like some of the others. feom what I gather from your question, in the past I have used the DB on the same account with one having a magic number add of 100....
Yes thanks a lot for that Matt the penny just dropped and indeed it was because of the mixed Equity/DD pot that I also gave up on the idea in spite of the magic number segregation. All the best

Update: just to wrap this one JustUncleL could you please elaborate what you meant by "allow multiple accounts within the same user"? Thanks a lot
  • #4,391
  • May 12, 2019 5:29pm May 12, 2019 5:29pm
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} Hi Matt thanks for the feedback and looking forward to our collective H4 testing in the coming week. Meantime wondering if I understood the above correctly as per JustUncleL's PPS; is the concept based on running multiple setups on the same account (ie using the same capital) but with different logins eg one Pepperstone account with multiple logins or instances using different DB Magic Numbers and trade comments? Just that sometime ago I tried the idea of running multiple setups on the same account using different trade comments and magic...
Within most Brokers, including Pepperstone one user can manage multiple accounts to trade with, for example on Pepperstone I have 5 Demo accounts to test the DB with and I can do the the same with Live accounts. On Pepperstone with the live accounts we can also move money between accounts, so my proposal was to create two accounts as a group then trade them as if they were one account with two separate MT4 terminals on different accounts, so no need for magic number changes etc. The other Broker I use "Oanda" also has this multiple account capability, even more so, so I'm assuming many Brokers have the same account management function.
  • #4,392
  • May 12, 2019 5:31pm May 12, 2019 5:31pm
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi Fairtraderuk, From what I understood of Justuncles PPS, it was about seeing the difference of two separate accounts with the same settings however one is running open with no EL or TP’s used and the other uses EL and TP. I think the concept was to see what the DD and tp would be for each to ascertain weather taking baskets and resetting is the way to go or leaving it just to run like some of the others. feom what I gather from your question, in the past I have used the DB on the same account with one having a magic number add of 100....
See my post #4391 above.
  • #4,393
  • May 12, 2019 5:46pm May 12, 2019 5:46pm
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} Within most Brokers, including Pepperstone one user can manage multiple accounts to trade with, for example on Pepperstone I have 5 Demo accounts to test the DB with and I can do the the same with Live accounts. On Pepperstone with the live accounts we can also move money between accounts, so my proposal was to create two accounts as a group then trade them as if they were one account with two separate MT4 terminals on different accounts, so no need for magic number changes etc. The other Broker I use "Oanda" also has this multiple account...
Ok thank you that's excellent so hope I am correct in assuming a group of let's say 3 live accounts on Pepperstone can all share an overall capital of let's say $5k hence providing each DB setup with sufficient headroom to work their magic. Cheers
  • #4,394
  • Edited May 13, 2019 4:07am May 12, 2019 10:06pm | Edited May 13, 2019 4:07am
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} Within most Brokers, including Pepperstone one user can manage multiple accounts to trade with, for example on Pepperstone I have 5 Demo accounts to test the DB with and I can do the the same with Live accounts. On Pepperstone with the live accounts we can also move money between accounts, so my proposal was to create two accounts as a group then trade them as if they were one account with two separate MT4 terminals on different accounts, so no need for magic number changes etc. The other Broker I use "Oanda" also has this multiple account...
Hi JustUncle,

Are you saying that those brokers have the ability to "Group" the accounts with one funding amount? Or are they just two separate accounts completely however you are treating them as one account? i'm curious as to how that is done.

Following the one and done theory, my 0.2lot 15min Cycle closed a basket at start of Tokyo session so have reset ready for London open. Started Tokyo 5mins after session open.

Tokyo Open
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  • #4,395
  • May 13, 2019 7:32am May 13, 2019 7:32am
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi JustUncle, Are you saying that those brokers have the ability to "Group" the accounts with one funding amount? Or are they just two separate accounts completely however you are treating them as one account? i'm curious as to how that is done. Following the one and done theory, my 0.2lot 15min Cycle closed a basket at start of Tokyo session so have reset ready for London open. Started Tokyo 5mins after session open. Tokyo Open {image} Update: Just closed a basket on London open also. Fingers crossed for NY London Open {image}...
Well Brokers are Financial institutions like Banks, a Bank allows you to have Multiple accounts under your user ID and you can move money around between your accounts, so a Broker's user ID can do the same thing (at least the ones I have do) you can have multiple accounts under your user ID. So you can create multiple accounts and dividing up an amount between them say $5000 into two accounts at $2500 each, then you just manage those accounts yourself as one moving money around as required. Now each account can be traded on a different MT4 terminal without the need for any special Magic number etc.. considerations because they are independent as far as the DB is concerned.

I hope that all makes sense...
  • #4,396
  • May 13, 2019 3:01pm May 13, 2019 3:01pm
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} Well Brokers are Financial institutions like Banks, a Bank allows you to have Multiple accounts under your user ID and you can move money around between your accounts, so a Broker's user ID can do the same thing (at least the ones I have do) you can have multiple accounts under your user ID. So you can create multiple accounts and dividing up an amount between them say $5000 into two accounts at $2500 each, then you just manage those accounts yourself as one moving money around as required. Now each account can be traded on a different MT4...
Hi JustUncle,

Yes all makes sense and is what I currently have. Sorry I misunderstood your original post and was thinking that they could be treated as a group by the broker.
I currently have 3 live accounts under one user which I can transfer money between and when I look at my P/L on myfxbook I look at the overall portfolio as a whole as the three accounts are trading different strategies.

Thanks, Matt.
  • #4,397
  • May 13, 2019 3:34pm May 13, 2019 3:34pm
Here are my results from today's test with the S9 Dashboard:

Start at Tokyo open + 30 M - Timeframe M 15 with Swing Entry Setting + Semafor Exit Signal

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Start at Tokyo open +1 H - Timeframe H 1 with Swing Entry Setting + Swing Exit Signal

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Start at Tokyo open +1 H - Timeframe H 4 with Swing Entry Setting + Swing Exit Signal

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  • #4,398
  • May 13, 2019 6:00pm May 13, 2019 6:00pm
I am in a sea of red also with the H1 Cycle Trader.
I have noticed a couple of issues though, firstly the DB appears to be reporting 1 more trade per pair than what there actually is.
If you look at CADCHF for instance it says 6 trades but then if you look at the chart and the open trades only 5 have been taken.
Secondly not all addons are being taken as can be seen on the attached charts. Cannot be due to fast price movement because price appears to have been waffling around the addon area for hours.
This is using v4 of the cycle trader.
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  • #4,399
  • May 13, 2019 6:17pm May 13, 2019 6:17pm
A couple more examples.
I also appear to be having an issue where initial trades are not being taken at all. Of course this could all be due to the spread filter which is set to 3.0 on the DB but that seems unlikely given the number of candles where trades were not taken.
Hopefully Gene is seeing the same thing on his end and is working on it.
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  • #4,400
  • May 13, 2019 7:20pm May 13, 2019 7:20pm
I have Red seas in all my setups, this week I will hold them open until the Cycle turns back (I hope). Unfortunately my computer crashed yesterday for an unknown Windows reason, so my counters and screens are not in sync, so I won't show any screenshots until after anticipated recovery.

BTW I'm also doing some testing now with running some Metatrader4 terminals on the Linux OS (I use Mint 19.1), that way I may be able to avoid the issue of now no Windows7 security patches.
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