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  • #421
  • Apr 30, 2019 11:46am Apr 30, 2019 11:46am
Quoting Blackeagle
But I read his thread and tried to integrate the things I find useful into my own trading strategy.
@Blackeagle -- yep, that's my approach, as well.

Quoting Blackeagle
But SwingMan's indicator is the best one can get re. drawing tops and bottoms which can be used for both reversal and breakout strategies. I compared them with my manual drawings on several instruments I have been trading and they are very very close.
@Blackeagle -- I agree. I'm really most interested to learn how your manual drawings compare with the lines drawn by the indicator. Hopefully we can get to the point where most of can agree that indicator-drawn lines are close enough.

Just as an aside -- even if manual-drawn vs indicator-drawn are a bit different -- who's to say which is better to use? Clearly indicator-drawn has the advantages of (a) quick, and (b) reproducible. For manual-drawn to be better it would need to be demonstrated in a trading environment along with an explanation. I've never seen that. The anti-indicator crowd (and "boundless thinkers") simply say it can't be done. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in between -- manual, discretionary trading can yield better results, but at the price of tedious drawing and watching a screen for hours on end. Automated (or partially automated) trading may yield results that are "good enough" -- but you can then spend all that free time walking your dog.
  • #422
  • Apr 30, 2019 11:59am Apr 30, 2019 11:59am
Quoting SwingMan
Hi Isabella, here an oscillator just for you.
Please check if possible entrys when drawing the first histograms with full color can be useful.
@SwingMan -- this is a beautiful indicator!! Where have you been hiding all these years?

I did a quick test and, in my hands, it does not repaint. However it does "recalculate" -- i.e. the most recent bar (index '0') changes. Recalculating is perfectly fine because we rarely trade on bar[0] (the bar that is currently being formed).

@SwingMan -- I understand the indicator was just for Isabella -- I hope you don't mind if I add it to my trading template. Again -- thanks very much.
  • #423
  • Edited May 1, 2019 2:12am Apr 30, 2019 12:22pm | Edited May 1, 2019 2:12am
Quoting robots4me
@SwingMan -- this is a beautiful indicator!! -- I understand the indicator was just for Isabella -- I hope you don't mind if I add it to my trading template.
Thanks for your comments, I expect that one tests and finds weak spots in the indicators.
That's why I recommended it Isabella for testing, because besides being a wonderful girl , she is a very experienced and critical trader.
For once you can test him too! Once again: I am honestly surprised how quickly you can recognize relevant things!

The indicator is smarter than any other oscillator, and at some point I will reveal its secrets, now it is too early and has nothing to do directly with your thread.
Today I checked for example trades from other threads (Pivots, TDI, Cycles, etc.), and for all, the indicator has delivered identical signals.

Now for your comments, because I did not actually test the indicator at all... I'm doing this today because bar 0 should not change. Maybe I have to make a change, let's see.

I do not understand the question with the years: I am a member since 2007, and you since 2017. Where have you been hiding all these years?
  • #424
  • Apr 30, 2019 12:33pm Apr 30, 2019 12:33pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @SwingMan -- this is a beautiful indicator!! Where have you been hiding all these years? I did a quick test and, in my hands, it does not repaint. However it does "recalculate" -- i.e. the most recent bar (index '0') changes. Recalculating is perfectly fine because we rarely trade on bar[0] (the bar that is currently being formed). @SwingMan -- I understand the indicator was just for Isabella -- I hope you don't mind if I add it to my trading template. Again -- thanks very much.
Hello Sir, it would be easier to follow this thread if you could quote people properly, so that when someone click on the quote they get to that post. So if you want to quote two people just right click Quote and open it in another tab. Do it with all the post you want to quote. Then take and copy all to your main window to input your text. If this is not clear explanation - say and i'll make you some screenshots to see.

Later EDIT: With a proper quote that member will be notified so he will respond faster.

Cheers
  • #425
  • Apr 30, 2019 12:36pm Apr 30, 2019 12:36pm
Quoting SwingMan
I do not understand the question with the years: I am a member since 2007, and you since 2017. Where have you been hiding all these years?
Hi @SwingMan -- yes, I know you've been here much longer than me. Though I've been trading for "only" 3 years, I'm a prolific reader, searcher, troll -- and I had never come across your indicators before. My question was more rhetorical because, obviously, I'm the one who was missing out on your wonderful tools because I'm not as good a searcher as I thought. @SwingMan -- you're the best. You are generous, gracious and humble. I am going to try to do a better job of learning from you. Again -- thank you.
  • #426
  • Apr 30, 2019 12:53pm Apr 30, 2019 12:53pm
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Thanks for your comments, I expect that one tests and finds weak spots in the indicators. That's why I recommended it Isabella for testing, because besides being a wonderful girl , she is a very experienced and critical trader. For once you can test him too! Once again: I am honestly surprised how quickly you can recognize relevant things! The indicator is stronger than any other oscillator, and at some point I will reveal its secrets, now it is too early and has nothing to do directly with your thread. Today I checked...
i haventI done much programming, but under the impression that the current bar will recalculate, since is using the live stream of ticks.
  • #427
  • Apr 30, 2019 12:54pm Apr 30, 2019 12:54pm
Quoting Weyk
{quote} Hello Sir, it would be easier to follow this thread if you could quote people properly, so that when someone click on the quote they get to that post. So if you want to quote two people just right click Quote and open it in another tab. Do it with all the post you want to quote. Then take and copy all to your main window to input your text. If this is not clear explanation - say and i'll make you some screenshots to see. Later EDIT: With a proper quote that member will be notified so he will respond faster. Cheers
@Weyk -- Like this?

Wow -- All this time I was doing it manually and never noticed (since I rarely click on my own posts). And here I thought I was good at paying attention to details -- guess not. I will make a better attempt at proper quoting because, in general, I would like the member to be notified. Thank you so much for pointing that out!!
  • #428
  • Apr 30, 2019 1:04pm Apr 30, 2019 1:04pm
Quoting robots4me
{quote} @Weyk -- Like this? Wow -- All this time I was doing it manually and never noticed (since I rarely click on my own posts). And here I thought I was good at paying attention to details -- guess not. I will make a better attempt at proper quoting because, in general, I would like the member to be notified. Thank you so much for pointing that out!!
Aahh that's better! ))

And you don't need "@" anymore. Old habits die hard. lol
  • #429
  • Apr 30, 2019 1:11pm Apr 30, 2019 1:11pm
Robots4me's dog seeing his master furiously replying to the ff thread...
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  • #430
  • Apr 30, 2019 1:16pm Apr 30, 2019 1:16pm
Quoting aaven
Robots4me's dog seeing his master furiously replying to the ff thread... {image}
aaven -- too funny!! Yep -- that's me. Thanks...
  • #431
  • Apr 30, 2019 2:02pm Apr 30, 2019 2:02pm
Quoting robots4me
...I did a quick test and, in my hands, it does not repaint. However it does "recalculate" -- i.e. the most recent bar (index '0') changes.
Now I do not understand what is with bar 0!
The indicator should actually be a "forecast" indicator, that means when at Open of the Price bar 0 the oscillator has a certain color and value, the oscillator does not change until Close.(Secret 1 of the indicator ...)
I have now tested the indicator on M1, and it's just as I described above.
  • #432
  • Apr 30, 2019 2:05pm Apr 30, 2019 2:05pm
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Ray Yes, that's the basic idea but it works best when price touches the line many times and the away moves look like its trying to break clear from this area. That is the Algorithm trying to suck in breakout traders. Then it will want to make smash those breakout traders and we collect our pips. I trade this with 3 - 5 trades normally looking to enter as it starts to move back to the line. In effect, we are trading Bullish or Bearish Compressions without having parallel lines. Still we need to do our chart analyis starting from H4 and...
Have just placed a trade (on Demo of course ) which Might serve a few purposes ( but only if I'm on the right track):

1. Is this a RickM "side trade" which Rick looks for as he waits for George style trades? ( Rick you can advise lol). Rick explains his method at post 335 and 336 in this thread (page 17)
2. Robot4me's MTF level indicator which I love incidentally The MTF levels are a great help.
3. The TMA true on the M15.

If this trade is a proper specimen, it might show confluence of the line chart showing the intention of the MM with its very specific trendline fit ( the RickM method), the TMA true levels and last but not least Robot4me's levels (the orange H4 line was touched by the candles - remember this is the line chart of the closes.)

Just experimenting. This is live now, at not a great time of day perhaps ( US afternoon EST ) and of course there could be a lot of pilot error (me). I came in later than Rick might have possibly - and it might not even be "correct".

Ray
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  • #433
  • Edited 2:46pm Apr 30, 2019 2:21pm | Edited 2:46pm
Quoting Weyk
{quote} Aahh that's better! )) And you don't need "@" anymore. Old habits die hard. lol
@Weyk

Actually, it's not an old habit. If you and I were to speak in person there would be lots of eye contact and I would mention your name from time-to-time. For me, using the '@' is both a sign of respect and, also, an indication that I am speaking to you, @Weyk, and not some amorphous audience of people out there. Also, when used within a bunch of other text the @Weyk stands out -- which is my intention.

As for whether others use it or not -- doesn't matter to me. Basically, it suits my style -- "old style"...
  • #434
  • Apr 30, 2019 2:31pm Apr 30, 2019 2:31pm
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Now I do not understand what is with bar 0! The indicator should actually be a "forecast" indicator, that means when at Open of the Price bar 0 the oscillator has a certain color and value, the oscillator does not change until Close.(Secret 1 of the indicator ...) I have now tested the indicator on M1, and it's just as I described above.
Swing Man,

Could you please elaborate what the colors means?

Thanks
  • #435
  • Apr 30, 2019 2:46pm Apr 30, 2019 2:46pm
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Now I do not understand what is with bar 0! The indicator should actually be a "forecast" indicator, that means when at Open of the Price bar 0 the oscillator has a certain color and value, the oscillator does not change until Close.(Secret 1 of the indicator ...) I have now tested the indicator on M1, and it's just as I described above.
@SwingMan -- I guess my comment was a general one about "repainting" versus "recalculating". Your indicators do not repaint. However, unless you explicitly check for the next bar, then they will recalculate. It's not an important issue -- most of my indicators also recalculate and it often is an advantage when Price Action is important to you. Let me explain...

Suppose I attach an indicator to an H4 chart. MT4 sends a tick at the beginning of each time frame -- that is Open[0]. Also, during the next 4 hours there will be additional ticks (perhaps several per second). If the price is higher than anytime previous during the current 4-hour period then the High[0] will move up, and the same with the Low[0]. The Close[0] is equivalent to the current Ask. So, let's suppose we reach the end of the H4 period -- does MT4 send a final Close tick -- NO!! The final Close price is the last tick before the new Open[0]. But you don't know when that was -- it could have been a few seconds before the top of the hour or several minutes before -- it depends on the symbol and time of day. So, during the formation of the current H4 bar the Close price (i.e. Ask) is constantly changing and depending on the graphical elements used by the indicator this may or may not be apparent.

So -- how does one avoid recalculating? You'd use a CheckNewBar() function -- i.e. ignore all ticks until you receive the first tick for the next bar. Below is a snippet of code as an example. You would place this at the beginning of start() or OnCalculate() and if it returns 'false' then immediately return.

//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
//| |
//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
bool CheckNewBar()
{
static datetime saved_time;

if (Time[0] == saved_time)
return(false);
saved_time = Time[0];

return(true);
}

Sorry to bore everyone with this -- my response was intended for @SwingMan. But this issue about ticks and bars frequently comes up among developers and it's important to understand since MT4 has many quirky things about it. Even for non-developers -- it shouldn't be too difficult to follow.

@SwingMan -- if this is old news to you I apologize. Again -- it's a beautiful indicator and I am currently using it. I think it complements the target level lines approach very well. Thanks...
  • #436
  • Apr 30, 2019 3:02pm Apr 30, 2019 3:02pm
Quoting Nih98
{quote} {quote} {quote} {image} Happy Trading NIH PS. maybe some of you need my ZZ marker indi. (but please don't change her name or she will cry..lol) {file}
Thanks for the Indi and explanation Nih98 never new this about that Indicator what a world of difference that makes.
I would love to learn more of your skills and trading. I have been trading for 9 years and have not seen anything about that indi on that level it has took my trading already to the next level. Thanks again would like to know more of your knowledge.
  • #437
  • Apr 30, 2019 3:30pm Apr 30, 2019 3:30pm
Quoting Nih98
{quote} {quote} {quote} {image} Happy Trading NIH PS. maybe some of you need my ZZ marker indi. (but please don't change her name or she will cry..lol) {file}
Hi NIH thanks - on your chart the gold zigzag is the MT4 standard zigzag super-imposed on your indy - am I correct?

When I apply to my USDCHF chart the number of peaks/troughs look "different" to yours for the same period. I also have 3,1,1 applied to the zig-zag. Any ideas where I've differed from your settings?

Cheers

Ray
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  • #438
  • Apr 30, 2019 3:35pm Apr 30, 2019 3:35pm
Different broker, so different OHLC per candle.

Regards,
Paul
  • #439
  • Apr 30, 2019 3:48pm Apr 30, 2019 3:48pm
Quoting robots4me
...However, unless you explicitly check for the next bar, then they will recalculate.
I am confused by the statement about the "live stream of ticks".
I tested on M1, actually it does not repaint, ok.

But I do not understand everything else. Please give me an example:
- when do I search "explicitly"?
- what will be recalculated?

@aaven
It is obvious:
- if a histogram is green, chances are good to go long, and short for red
- you "can" trade on the bright colors
- you should not do anything for the gray histograms (proprietary filter)
For more clarity: the histograms with dark colors correspond to favorable derivative grade 2 of a Mavg, and for light colors correspond to weak derivative grade 2 of a Mavg. Again, here is not right to discuss the indicator. Use the indicator at your own risk or not.
  • #440
  • Apr 30, 2019 4:10pm Apr 30, 2019 4:10pm
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} I am confused by the statement about the "live stream of ticks". I tested on M1, actually it does not repaint, ok. But I do not understand everything else. Please give me an example: - when do I search "explicitly"? - what will be recalculated? @aaven It is obvious: - if a histogram is green, chances are good to go long, and short for red - you "can" trade on the bright colors - you should not do anything for the gray histograms (proprietary filter) For more clarity: the histograms with dark colors correspond to favorable derivative grade...
Thanks Swingman...
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