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  • #261
  • Edited 3:34pm Oct 17, 2006 3:16pm | Edited 3:34pm
wow..bad day for Phoenix
Well...actually, not _that_ bad. If I hadn't used GBPUSD and PB then there was just one bad trade.
Hm..But PB is not performing bad. But it's probably not a good concept to base the decisions just on 2 currency pairs (bad diversification for example).
  • #262
  • Oct 17, 2006 3:39pm Oct 17, 2006 3:39pm
hey Hendrick,

did you have a bad day for Pv4.2, too? Can you see a correlation between news days (like today) and bad days for Phoenix? What do you think about my suggestion made a few past ago (with changing the CommentCode in P4)? Are you testing on live or only on demo? What about the other pairs than the 4 you mentioned earlier, you said "the optimal setting will be discovered", what does that mean? Do they perform badly? Do you think Pv4.2 is ready for going live at least on GBPJPY and USDJPY (of course only with a little money) ?
I know, that's a lot of questions. Take you time, but please answer them all. I don't like asking the same question twice , it's making the thread bigger, too.
  • #263
  • Oct 17, 2006 4:02pm Oct 17, 2006 4:02pm
Here I am as of this afternoon with FXDD, mini lots...CPI out tomorrow...
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  • #264
  • Oct 17, 2006 4:13pm Oct 17, 2006 4:13pm
Hi Hendrick
I know your are very busy in these days and I don't want to bother you to much, but I'm very eager waiting for explanation you will give us about how can anyone find the Phoenix settings for the next coming months?

Thanks you very much for your help
  • #265
  • Oct 17, 2006 4:45pm Oct 17, 2006 4:45pm
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  • #266
  • Oct 17, 2006 5:45pm Oct 17, 2006 5:45pm
Hi Hendrick,

Many thanks for sharing with us your Phoenix EA. It is great and I wish you all the best for the Automated Trading Championship 2006.

As I looked into the code to try to find out it's "magic formla", I was not sure if the divergence function was coded as originally intended : I refering to the following part

" dv2 = ((maF1 - maS1) - (maF2 - maS2));
//----
return(dv1 - dv2);"

I would guess it was intended as :

" dv2 = maF2 - maS2;
//----
return(dv1 - dv2);"

Sorry in advance, if this topic as already been addressed in this thread, I just didn't managed to find the it.

Olivier
  • #267
  • Oct 17, 2006 6:32pm Oct 17, 2006 6:32pm
1trader2:

I don't know either. But, I'd be willing to put money on the fact that after so many months running P4 that all of the equity/PL graphs would look similar. Not exact but should show the same general trend. P4 taking it in the cornhole right now on 8 positions....
  • #268
  • Oct 18, 2006 3:41am Oct 18, 2006 3:41am
Here is the profit factor/net profit totals for 5 popular currencies. Hendrick says we should look every two weeks to see if tweeking is necessary, so I based the numbers on two week differentials. I could not Upload the spreadsheet as .xls files are not permitted.

Now the questions: how much does it have to drop before a tweak is necessary and where do we start with the tweaking?

I noticed that the the GBP/USD is the only currency that has the OSMA Fast number higher than the OSMA Slow for what it is worth.

Hang in there on the trades. This is a marathon, not a sprint. Easy to say, hard to do I know, but the backtesting proves that bad trades will be made. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be a market.
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  • #269
  • Oct 18, 2006 4:51am Oct 18, 2006 4:51am
Quoting Palmer
1trader2:

I don't know either. But, I'd be willing to put money on the fact that after so many months running P4 that all of the equity/PL graphs would look similar. Not exact but should show the same general trend. P4 taking it in the cornhole right now on 8 positions....
...not looking good across 3 brokers right now on demo accounts.
Just my 2 pips worth
  • #270
  • Oct 18, 2006 5:11am Oct 18, 2006 5:11am
Hendrick

See this page

http://www.mataf.net/en/analysis-correlation.htm
  • #271
  • Edited 5:33am Oct 18, 2006 5:32am | Edited 5:33am
Not too sure why you guys are getting bad results. My P4_2_03 did pretty damn well. Some trades its struggling on but total floating P/L is positive. At the moment I'm not using this to put trades down on a real account but if I am about to open a position in one direction and P4 opens a position in the other direction, I think twice about it

Anyway, North Finance statement as of 18 Oct 06. Starting equity $5000, current equity $5380 (7.6% in 24 hours!! woooo!!). Forward testing pairs USDCHF, GBPUSD, EURUSD, USDJPY, AUDUSD, USDCAD, EURGBP, EURCHF, EURJPY, GBPJPY, GBPCHF, EURAUD with Pheonix_EA_v4_2_03 on M30 charts.
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  • #272
  • Oct 18, 2006 6:17am Oct 18, 2006 6:17am
Quoting Mun
Not too sure why you guys are getting bad results. My P4_2_03 did pretty damn well. Some trades its struggling on but total floating P/L is positive. At the moment I'm not using this to put trades down on a real account but if I am about to open a position in one direction and P4 opens a position in the other direction, I think twice about it

Anyway, North Finance statement as of 18 Oct 06. Starting equity $5000, current equity $5380 (7.6% in 24 hours!! woooo!!). Forward testing pairs USDCHF, GBPUSD, EURUSD, USDJPY, AUDUSD, USDCAD, EURGBP, EURCHF, EURJPY, GBPJPY, GBPCHF, EURAUD with Pheonix_EA_v4_2_03 on M30 charts.
mind to show us your settings ?

i have set risk to 0.2, its just struggling to rise the equity after few days running
  • #273
  • Oct 18, 2006 6:23am Oct 18, 2006 6:23am
Well..the settings are not too important since P4 is setting them itself anyway. BUT: you're using it on M30! That's the difference. Hendrick runs P4 on M15!
BTW, for me it's a boring day till now only 2 closed trades but both by PB.
  • #274
  • Oct 18, 2006 7:07am Oct 18, 2006 7:07am
Quoting tradeigel
Well..the settings are not too important since P4 is setting them itself anyway. BUT: you're using it on M30! That's the difference. Hendrick runs P4 on M15!
BTW, for me it's a boring day till now only 2 closed trades but both by PB.
i've got 6 open, -80 pips floating,

3 winner 3 loser,

hendrick run on M15 ? so do i,

should i consider this ea winning ?
  • #275
  • Oct 18, 2006 7:31am Oct 18, 2006 7:31am
Is that my buddy chad there chiming in? Hope your tradding has been treating you well. Mun, that's a nice looking equity graph...hmmm. Curious as to why the different brokers have such different results....Can the spreads/quote feeds/I hate to think indicator calculations be that different?
  • #276
  • Oct 18, 2006 7:31am Oct 18, 2006 7:31am
ahh this is very interesting! I thought P4 was meant to be run on M30 and PB on M15. Currently I'm not running PB because it is buggy. Will wait for v3 before testing it.

Yes the settings I am using for P4 are unchanged. Just dragged + dropped them on the charts and it starting making money . Its an exciting day here - equity currently up to $5460.

Quoting tradeigel
Well..the settings are not too important since P4 is setting them itself anyway. BUT: you're using it on M30! That's the difference. Hendrick runs P4 on M15!
BTW, for me it's a boring day till now only 2 closed trades but both by PB.
  • #277
  • Oct 18, 2006 7:46am Oct 18, 2006 7:46am
Quoting Mun
ahh this is very interesting! I thought P4 was meant to be run on M30 and PB on M15. Currently I'm not running PB because it is buggy. Will wait for v3 before testing it.

Yes the settings I am using for P4 are unchanged. Just dragged + dropped them on the charts and it starting making money . Its an exciting day here - equity currently up to $5460.
wait, P4_2_03 ??

oh, i'm using p4_2_02...Anyway is there really so much difference between the 2 version, v3 is making 7% first day while mine is flat...... unbelievable.


Palmers,
they are treating me well, thanks.


Chad,
  • #278
  • Oct 18, 2006 8:46am Oct 18, 2006 8:46am
Hi.

First of all, English is not my mother tongue so, sorry for mistakes i will do.

I'm one those tousands peoples who read this forum without never post anything :-) but great respect to brilliant brains who made these EA possible.

I'm testing Phoenix since the early first post. (before this treat.).
I've got a question : Is it possible to add an option called "CapitalProtection".

Eg : when Phoenix made, for example, 100% of profit, and "CapitalProtection" is ON then the EA do not use no more the initial capital.
If the percent sould also a variable it's should be welcome too.

What do you thing about ?
Thanks.

ManAtWorkAtForex. (MAWAF)
  • #279
  • Oct 18, 2006 8:54am Oct 18, 2006 8:54am
Quoting Palmer
athalon7:

"Is there any reason why this system, if tweaked with the times, cannot produce month in and month out profits?"

That's what this journey is all about. Finding the best ingredients to make the soup with. I had three winners in a row last night. I was going to rpost the PL graph but the image is too large. I'll repost when I get home.

Hendrick:

I guess we'll be P4'ing for a while. And, yes. If you can figure out a way to filter the correlelated pairs I believe that is a great idea. The only issue I see is that if people want to test this option, they must run P4 on all of the pairs, not just a few. Unless, you have a CorrelateOn or CorrelateOff option. Ya know what I'm getting at???

Back to the battle at hand!!!
Hey Palmer!

Backward testing Correlation EA's is not possible due to the restrictions of MT4's Strategy Tester. I'm not sure if I understood your last question right. If you're going to forward test a Correlation EA then it's not necessary to open charts for every pair. Through the function MarketInfo you can open trades for other pairs than the one you have attached the EA to.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

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  • #280
  • Oct 18, 2006 9:04am Oct 18, 2006 9:04am
Quoting tradeigel
hey Hendrick,

did you have a bad day for Pv4.2, too? Can you see a correlation between news days (like today) and bad days for Phoenix? What do you think about my suggestion made a few past ago (with changing the CommentCode in P4)? Are you testing on live or only on demo? What about the other pairs than the 4 you mentioned earlier, you said "the optimal setting will be discovered", what does that mean? Do they perform badly? Do you think Pv4.2 is ready for going live at least on GBPJPY and USDJPY (of course only with a little money) ?
I know, that's a lot of questions. Take you time, but please answer them all. I don't like asking the same question twice , it's making the thread bigger, too.
Indeed a lot of questions!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

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Yesterday was a bad day for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City>, but today it all went in the right direction!<o></o>

Your change with the CommentCode is on my list for the next version.<o></o>

The question if I'm testing live or demo is private. So I'm not giving you an answer to that.<o></o>

Finding the optimal settings for a pair is very time consuming. But I think I will find them all in the end. No doubt about that!<o></o>

GBPJPY and USDJPY: if you want to use them to go live is all up to you. Consult your own forward testing results and those from others. I think you now the answer.<o></o>

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